Please stop bashing our starting QB

[Stautner]

No he didn't. He said it was unfair to group Elway with Bradshaw and Bledsoe. And I agree with him.

Elway had tremendous football sense. Just because the rest of his team that surrounded him couldn't compare to the teams that surrounded Montana or Aikman doesn't diminish this fact.

Go back and read the quote he printed - the quote he was responding to. It didn't say anything about Marino or Bledsoe - or Bradshaw for that matter.

And go up and read my last post and maybe you will understand a little more. He isn't putting Elway on the same level as Bledsoe and Bradshaw, he is merely categorizing QB's according to their strengths - according to the traits that set them apart.

 

[Hostile]

LOL :laugh1: :laugh2:

Somebody is in a foul mood today?

Just a little bit.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Go back and read the quote he printed - the quote he was responding to. It didn't say anything about Marino or Bledsoe - or Bradshaw for that matter.

And go up and read my last post and maybe you will understand a little more. He isn't putting Elway on the same level as Bledsoe and Bradshaw, he is merely categorizing QB's according to their strengths - according to the traits that set them apart.

You're asking someone to actually use reading comprehension skills-- You're entering dangerous territory mate!

 

[SultanOfSix]

Go back and read the quote he printed - the quote he was responding to. It didn't say anything about Marino or Bledsoe - or Bradshaw for that matter.

And go up and read my last post and maybe you will understand a little more. He isn't putting Elway on the same level as Bledsoe and Bradshaw, he is merely categorizing QB's according to their strengths - according to the traits that set them apart.

I know what he's referrring to. This thread has many responses referring to multiple different things, all associated with the general concept of "football sense."

There is NO WAY that I will agree with any notion that Bledsoe, Bradshaw and Elway have the same level of "football sense."

His "football sense" may not be as good as Montana or Marino's (which is debatable in itself), because relying on your physical tools to put the ball in a situation where it is risky to do so doesn't in anyway diminish your "football sense" (it could mean you have the utmost confidence in your physical tools), but it is asinine to think that it is anywhere near Bledsoe's or Bradshaw's.

 

[Stautner]

You're asking someone to actually use reading comprehension skills-- You're entering dangerous territory mate!

Apparently so - it's always so funny how screwed up people can get in respinding to a topic.

How anyone ever took your initial post to mean you thought Elway had a low IQ is beyond me.

 

[Dogstar]

Ok, this debate should be resolved come Monday. If Drew implodes for the third time against a good team even his most ardent supporters should come to terms with whether Drew will be an asset or liability this season.

Agreed. I have supported Drew, but he is maddening to watch. :bang2: He has so muc potential but tends to unravel at the wrost times. I think even Parcells will pull him if he stinks up the place, maybe even if he's mediocre with a loss.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Go back and read the quote he printed - the quote he was responding to. It didn't say anything about Marino or Bledsoe - or Bradshaw for that matter.

And go up and read my last post and maybe you will understand a little more. He isn't putting Elway on the same level as Bledsoe and Bradshaw, he is merely categorizing QB's according to their strengths - according to the traits that set them apart.

Then you have guys that I thought had many of the "physical gifts" of those up above but I don't think were as good with the mental aspects of the game... guys like:

Bradshaw
Elway
Bledsoe

So he just doesn't think Elway is as good as the guys above in his other list...even if that was an argument, where I have yet to see any truth to it. We could just rely on the physical part and that could be ok...all three had good to great arms. However even Elway was so far superior in other aspects that neither of those two belong with him.

But to go futher...the last part of the initial winky post...

And I'm sure I'll get some hate because I listed Elway down with Bledsoe but I never considered John E. to be the most mentally gifted QB to ever come down the pike. All these guys are or were considered "tough" but I don't think any of them were considered "smart".

What was that again...if they are not considered smart...what would that make them???

Bledsoe could fall into this category.
Bradshaw could fall into this category.

I just don't think many considered Elway dumb since he says people did not consider him smart.

Hope that explains it.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

He has so muc potential but tends to unravel at the wrost times.

Sorry Dogstar, but at some point, usually around your 200th game, the word 'potential' starts to drop out of the analysis.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Apparently so - it's always so funny how screwed up people can get in respinding to a topic.

How anyone ever took your initial post to mean you thought Elway had a low IQ is beyond me.

And I'm sure I'll get some hate because I listed Elway down with Bledsoe but I never considered John E. to be the most mentally gifted QB to ever come down the pike. All these guys are or were considered "tough" but I don't think any of them were considered "smart".

Read much?

 

[Stautner]

I know what he's referrring to. This thread has many responses referring to multiple different things, all associated with the general concept of "football sense."

There is NO WAY that I will agree with any notion that Bledsoe, Bradshaw and Elway have the same level of "football sense."

His "football sense" may not be as good as Montana or Marino's (which is debatable in itself), because relying on your physical tools to put the ball in a situation where it is risky to do so doesn't in anyway diminish your "football sense" (it could mean you have the utmost confidence in your physical tools), but it is asinine to think that it is anywhere near Bledsoe's or Bradshaw's.

You are fooling yourself into thinking you understand.

First, Marino, Bradshaw and Bledsoe are not the same people as Young, Aikman and Montana, so you can't dispute a comparison to Young, Aikman and Montana by saying it's unfair to compare with Marino, Bradshaw and Bledsoe ......... do you really disagree with that?

Second, I don't believe he ever said Elway had the SAME level of football sense as Bledsoe and Bradshaw, he was only saying that like those guys the physical tools were what set him apart more so than the "football sense".

And third, OF COURSE MAKING RISKY THROWS IS A REFLECTION OF FOOTBALL SENSE ....... what do you think football sense refers to? I think it's fair to say that "football sense" would include the sense of when it's best to hold the ball, throw it away, run or make some choice other than to throw the ball into a situation that carries a high risk of interception.

Making smart decisions is what we have been talking about in relation to Bledsoe's lack of "football sense".

 

[SultanOfSix]

I understand perfectly fine.

He grouped Bradshaw, Bledsoe, and Elway together in the mental aspects of the game. That is what is unfair. Not the fact that he made a COMPARISON.

Grouping these three QBs is asinine. Just because Elway has the physical tools (probably the best ever) that allowed him to make riskier throws than other QBs when he deemed them necessary doesn't mean he lacks "football sense". Why? Because the standard rules DON'T apply to him because of his physical talent. The fact that he didn't make those throws when he didn't need to (such as the last 2 SBs he won), shows that he in fact had more "football sense" than the other two above mentioned idiots (as far as "football" sense is concerned).

Elway was never known to throw a game critical interception. Or make a boneheaded play here or there. Most of the time, his teams just sucked and he just carried them.

 

[Stautner]

And I'm sure I'll get some hate because I listed Elway down with Bledsoe but I never considered John E. to be the most mentally gifted QB to ever come down the pike. All these guys are or were considered "tough" but I don't think any of them were considered "smart".

Read much?

LOL - you apparently don't understand the distinction between reading and comprehending. He has made it abundantly clear that he has merely been talking about "football smarts", not IQ.

And you apparently don't comprehend that "listing" Elway with Bledsoe doesn't mean he is saying they are on the same level.

I could "list" all the lawyers I know who's primary strength is research rather than litigation, but that doesn't mean I put all the researchers at the same level.

Look at ALL the evidence and make an effort to understand - just because an object is yellow doesn't mean it's a banana.

 

[Stautner]

I understand perfectly fine.

He grouped Bradshaw, Bledsoe, and Elway together in the mental aspects of the game. That is what is unfair. Not the fact that he made a COMPARISON.

Grouping these three QBs is asinine. Just because Elway has the physical tools (probably the best ever) that allowed him to make riskier throws than other QBs when he deemed them necessary doesn't mean he lacks "football sense". Why? Because the standard rules DON'T apply to him because of his physical talent. The fact that he didn't make those throws when he didn't need to (such as the last 2 SBs he won), shows that he in fact had more "football sense" than the other two above mentioned idiots (as far as "football" sense is concerned).

Elway was never known to throw a game critical interception. Or make a boneheaded play here or there. Most of the time, his teams just sucked and he just carried them.

You are going back to something completely different than the quote that was being responded to - THAT quote said nothing about Bledsoe, Bradshaw or Marino. You were disputing my response to a specific quote - not something that was printed much earlier in the thread.

Now, here's a simple concept for you - RISKY IS RISKY. Regardless of physical talent, making risky throws is not "football smart". I will grant you that some throws that may be risky for a weak armed QB may not have been risky for Elway, but the throws that were risky even for him were still ill-advised.

As for the Last 2 super bowls argument, you would benefit from reading the post of mine that I referred you to before (that you apparently chose to ignore). I specifically wrote that Elway matured in his later years, transforming from a QB who relied too much on physical ability and arm strength to one who was more efficient, and understood the value of making good decisions and throwing more high percentage passes. THOSE were the years he won the Super Bowl. In the majority of his career, including the years he lost Super Bowls, he was relying too much on physical ability alone.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And I'm sure I'll get some hate because I listed Elway down with Bledsoe but I never considered John E. to be the most mentally gifted QB to ever come down the pike. All these guys are or were considered "tough" but I don't think any of them were considered "smart".

Read much?

While I thought it was as plain as the beard on your face Brain... I'll state it here.


I did not infer that Elway was a mental incompetent... I was strictly referring to football IQ.

He may have been "football smart"- He just wasn't as "football smart" as some of the others in my opinion.

Now if you want to debate "football smart" with overall, "life-in-general smart" we at least have a basis point.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I understand perfectly fine.

He grouped Bradshaw, Bledsoe, and Elway together in the mental aspects of the game. That is what is unfair. Not the fact that he made a COMPARISON.

Grouping these three QBs is asinine. Just because Elway has the physical tools (probably the best ever) that allowed him to make riskier throws than other QBs when he deemed them necessary doesn't mean he lacks "football sense". Why? Because the standard rules DON'T apply to him because of his physical talent. The fact that he didn't make those throws when he didn't need to (such as the last 2 SBs he won), shows that he in fact had more "football sense" than the other two above mentioned idiots (as far as "football" sense is concerned).

Elway was never known to throw a game critical interception. Or make a boneheaded play here or there. Most of the time, his teams just sucked and he just carried them.

OK.

Let's let this ride...

You, along with Hos and BP are suggesting that not only is Elway perhaps the most physically gifted QB of all-time (which I may even go along with) but that he's also the most football savvy also?

Wow.


In my book, you're essentially saying that John Elway was the greatest QB of all time.

Before I assault that position let me make sure I'm understanding you-- OK.

 

[sonnyboy]

Oh please. You've been one of the biggest Bledsoe detractors since the Philly game.

When you said he's played poorly in all 5 games, I stopped reading. You're full of it.

Hey football genius. Do you want to tell me which game he played well in?

 

[sonnyboy]

FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS THREAD: HERE IS THE TRUTH:

3) Bledsoe has played poorly in all five games. I don't care what his numbers read in the "blowouts". My eyes don't lie. He's not making enough plays, he's missing to many opportunities. And it's happened in every game! He is a shadow of what he was last year.

Sorry man, I can't put this any other way, but this comment is stupid. And makes all your other comments appear stupid. Are you stupid? Or maybe you're just a little over the top in your love for Romo.

This is not a stupid comment. Have you considered the possibility that you know nothing about football.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

While I thought it was as plain as the beard on your face Brain... I'll state it here.


I did not infer that Elway was a mental incompetent... I was strictly referring to football IQ.

He may have been "football smart"- He just wasn't as "football smart" as some of the others in my opinion.

Now if you want to debate "football smart" with overall, "life-in-general smart" we at least have a basis point.

But see IMO no matter how you try to slice it...I think you are wrong.

I see no legit reason why you would think he is not on par with the others listed in your top category.

I just don't see it.

I really think you really reached in adding Elway to the list.

Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

Bledsoe yes, Bradshaw yes, Elway no.

If anything Elway deserves to be in the top list because not only would he see the field, he was even quicker in determining if anything was open and if not he would then run (unless it was a designed run play).

So once again I just see no legit reason one could use to make that thought you came up with.

IMO he had the physical and mental tools, along with football smarts and I see no reasonable explanation to say he was not on par, in any way, with those others you listed.

 

[5Stars]

This is not a stupid comment. Have you considered the possibility that you know nothing about football.

"FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS THREAD: HERE IS THE TRUTH:"

sonnyboy, I think this is where you got off on the wrong foot with your thread...

People are not going to like someone saying, "Listen too me"!! "This is the truth"!

Maybe if you would have said;

FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS THREAD: HERE IS MY OPINION:

I don't think you would have gotten the responses that you did...

Carry on...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Some of you guys need to chill out with the personal insults.

Just let things go please.