Please... Stop bringing up Aikman...

[DizzG]

as Jimmy Johnson said...you have to throw out Oakland. other than Gruden...who has been worth a crap there lately? Bill Callhan came in and did well intinally but that was with Grudens setup. That franchise is a joke and for whatever people want to say about Jerry Jones....Al Davis is 10000X more controling with his coaches.

Turner having issues there means little

Turner worked under THREE different owners with the Commanders...the franchise the whole time was not on any firm foundation. most any coach would have prob had issues there..frankly Turner didnt do that bad there considering the situation

 

[Gaede]

49-59-1 is bad

Given the circumstances, you could get away with saying 'not bad'...but one thing it certainly is not, is good. Do you really want the head coach of the team to be 'not bad'? Where his excuse for mediocrity is that, because of outside forces, he couldn't take charge?

 

[hank2k]

blaming the problems the Commanders had or freak Oakland on Turner is absurd. I really dont think you can hold those situations on the guy as examples that he somehow sucks. not many could have done well in those spots he was stuck in.

as to stop bringing up Aikman. no

I value his opinion far more than any internet message board wannabe coach.

Moose has also said that he thinks Norv is the best choice and would do great....as has Jimmy Johnson

I put more stock in their knowledge than anyone in the media or on a message board.

12 teams have interviewed for new head coaches the past 2 years and NONE of them interviewed Norv Turner. Guess no one else cares about Aikmans, Moooses or Jimmy's opinion either.

 

[ZeroClub]

Okay:

Wade has a winning record as a head coach. Norv has a losing record as a head coach.

Niners offense in 2006: Yards per Game (ie, total offense) 26th, 6th in rushing, 29th in passing, 24th in points and points per game

Yup. Stellar offense

San Diego's Defense: 10th overall, 7th against the run, 13th against the pass, 7th in points and points per game

So given the choice:

Wade performed considerably better than Norv as a coordinator in 2006. Wade has performed, again-considerably, better than Norv as a head coach throughout his career. Thus, the best option between Wade and Norv is Wade.

But hey, Norv can teach Jason Garrett! That'll make his mediocrity totally tolerable!

Good effort.

But your statistics tell only part of the tale.

When you looked up the Niner's offensive stats, did you notice how well the Chargers' offense performed? They were great:

1st in scoring, 2nd in rushing, fewest give away turnovers, and so on.

A trained chimp could have succeeded as defensive coordinator in San Diego last year. The Chargers offense was a dominating machine. Opposing teams were forced into one-dimensional offense as they fell behind. And the Chargers defense happens to be loaded with talent.

Norv didn't have anything close to those kinds of advantages. He didn't have much talent on his offense and he had almost no defensive support. The Niners' defense gave up the most points per game in the entire NFL.

Norv's job had a significantly higher degree of difficulty.

 

[the kid 05]

David...

I've only been here a few months and I respect your comments...

But, c'mon...

The Skins, and I hate myself for saying this, are one of the most successful franchises in NFL history...
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how are they one of the most successful franchise in the nfL? two of their three super bowls where won during the strike seasons!

 

[Hunter71]

blaming the problems the Commanders had or freak Oakland on Turner is absurd. I really dont think you can hold those situations on the guy as examples that he somehow sucks. not many could have done well in those spots he was stuck in.

as to stop bringing up Aikman. no

I value his opinion far more than any internet message board wannabe coach.

Moose has also said that he thinks Norv is the best choice and would do great....as has Jimmy Johnson

I put more stock in their knowledge than anyone in the media or on a message board.

Yeah...

Shame on me for looking at his record with two separate teams in 2 separate conferences as some indicator of how he would do as a HC...

Hell, in the era of no one accepting responsibility for their actions, your comment is perfect...

It's not his fault he was just the head coach...

And Dizz...

That's the whole point of being on a message board...

To sit here and think I have all the answers in the comfort of my home...

 

[Hunter71]

And what about Philips? He's been fired twice and twice has been the interim head coach who wasn't hired. That's not a ringing endorsement either.

As for rolling the dice with an on-the-job trainee, IMO, it is a bigger gamble than the Cowboys need to make right now. Especially if Jones is bringing in youthful coordinators.

Hey...

Lesser of two evils here...

Neither one keeps me up at night dreaming of the 2007 season...

But at least one guy has a winning record here...

And of course going with a new guy is a gamble...

We could hit the lottery like the Saints have or we could crap the bed like the Browns did with Belichik, etc.

All I think is, Turner, in my humble and ignorant opinion, isn't the right choice...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I'll chime just a sec.

Norv was given nearly 7 years in DC to turn right the ship. The ol' man and the boy wonder both gave him a shot to succeed. He failed miserably.

And isnt fairly common knowledge that Aikman is a Turner fan ? He was pissed when they hired Gailey instead of Turner.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Good effort.

But your statistics tell only part of the tale.

When you looked up the Niner's offensive stats, did you notice how well the Chargers' offense performed? They were great:

1st in scoring, 2nd in rushing, fewest give away turnovers, and so on.

A trained chimp could have succeeded as defensive coordinator in San Diego last year. The Chargers offense was a dominating machine. Opposing teams were forced into one-dimensional offense as they fell behind. And the Chargers defense happens to be loaded with talent.

Norv didn't have anything close to those kinds of advantages. He didn't have much talent on his offense and he had almost no defensive support. The Niners' defense gave up the most points per game in the entire NFL.

Norv's job had a significantly higher degree of difficulty.

Cam Cameron was the Chargers OC there since 2002 until he got the Dolphins job. What did Norv have to do with that ? Tomlinson ? He was a no-brainer at #5. Was he the one instrumental in the trade ? Who knows. But Didnt the Chargers lose their last 8-9 games with Norv as the OC ?

 

[dbair1967]

I'll chime just a sec.

Norv was given nearly 7 years in DC to turn right the ship. The ol' man and the boy wonder both gave him a shot to succeed. He failed miserably.

And isnt fairly common knowledge that Aikman is a Turner fan ? He was pissed when they hired Gailey instead of Turner.

how incredibly dumb is this comment? Turner was still coaching Washington in 1998, we couldnt hire him

as for Aikman being a "fan" on Turner...so is Darryl Johnston...who said this week Turner would be the best hire Jones could make...so is Irvin, so is Jay Novecek, so is Jimmy Johnson, so is Trent Green...so are alot of people who actually played or coached the game

David

 

[dbair1967]

The true irony of Turners hire will be that Romo isnt really a Turner system type QB. His arm strength isnt good enough. Norv is a big 7 step drop guy, Aikman had the gun for it. Romos' more of a WCO type,3-5 step drop, moving around in the pocket, improvising etc.

Thus the one reason we hire Turner (to develop Romo)will be a flop as well.

( And yes, Ive had 3 cups of Haterade this morning)

every QB who plays for Norv gets better...Doug Flutie definitely isnt a Norv Turner type QB, but he played pretty good for him...so did Jay Fiedler

David

 

[SkinsandTerps]

how incredibly dumb is this comment? Turner was still coaching Washington in 1998, we couldnt hire him

as for Aikman being a "fan" on Turner...so is Darryl Johnston...who said this week Turner would be the best hire Jones could make...so is Irvin, so is Jay Novecek, so is Jimmy Johnson, so is Trent Green...so are alot of people who actually played or coached the game

David

Yeah so they liked their OC and Green who started played one year under Turner must have loved him. Come on man.

And how incredibly dumb is your comment for not knowing that Norv signed an extension with the Commanders to keep him off the open market at the time because he had an option in his contract.

 

[MarkBrunell]

Norv fails as a HC because hes awful are preparing and being a leader. He doesn't command respect either.

I could envision Norv as a good HC with Aikman, Irvin etc. Those players respected him and will probably buy into his thing. But none of your new age players will give a **** about Norv. Worst motivator as a coach I've ever seen next.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah so they liked their OC and Green who started played one year under Turner must have loved him. Come on man.

And how incredibly dumb is your comment for not knowing that Norv signed an extension with the Commanders to keep him off the open market at the time because he had an option in his contract.

and didnt he sign that BEFORE the Cowboys canned Switzer?

thanks

David

 

[SkinsandTerps]

and didnt he sign that BEFORE the Cowboys canned Switzer?

thanks

David

I'm not sure really. I do remember talks and articles about the Cowboys being interested in bringing him back and having an option in his contract.

So maybe we are both idiots. I really cant recall.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Realistically, Aikman has nothing to do with the hiring process, outside of the thought process of some fans.

Cowboys Offense-TM-Cowboys Jan. 27 - 5:33 pm et

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman is assisting owner Jerry Jones in the Cowboys' head-coaching search.
Aikman has long been a fan of Turner, so this could have a large effect on the way Jones leans come decision time. Schefter seconds the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's report that Turner is the frontrunner for the job.

 

[Hunter71]

Good catch Roshi...

Just like Aikman had nothing to do with LaFleur being drafted until I pulled up an article to the contrary which he never replied to...