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How about the play that the Eagle WR grabs Henry's facemask while attempting to make a catch, and Henry gets called for interference. That reminded me of the NBA Western Conf. finals with Sacramento vs Lakers and Kobe hits Mike Bibby with an elbow in the nose, and Bibby gets called for the foul. Announders were asking how do you foul someone with your nose? Sac fans were pissed at the foul call for the entire off season.
 

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It's a NON-REVIEWABLE play, yet they STILL let Andy Reid get a review in, which they lost.

Is that correct? Joe Buck kept saying that but it would seem strange that none of the officials -- and the replay official -- didn't know that. It is a short list of rules regarding what you can and can't review. An entire crew missing that? It seems a lot more likely that Buck got it wrong.

Buck kept saying down by contact isn't reviewable. But you can review whether a play was a fumble or not can't you? The question was whether he fumbled before he was down.
 

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I m more with the refs letting the guys play the game. I tell you what i cant stand is when that black ref and his crew call a game. I watched them call games and they just call so many dang flags. they called i think 35 infractions yesterday for the ravens lions game. its just so annoying to watch a game as a fan and always worrying about a flag.I mean i can understand calling the obvious holding, the offsides, the false starts, but dont be calling flags like the one keyshawn got against oakland cause his body ws leaning forward . I just pray dallas doesnt ever get a game with the black ref and his crew, to me there the worse refs in the game for the simple fact they over call the game. you got to let the players play the game and only call the obvious stuff. to me that crew is so damn ticky tacky it makes me sick. they call pass interference if the db's fingernail brushes against the wr's shoulder pad. just not fun to watch as a fan


To me its like they want to get on tv , and they really are deciding games more often then they should :starspin I pray that a ref doesnt cost us a game like they did in oakland again this year. if keyshawn score there , we beat oakland 20-19.
 

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Is that correct? Joe Buck kept saying that but it would seem strange that none of the officials -- and the replay official -- didn't know that. It is a short list of rules regarding what you can and can't review. An entire crew missing that? It seems a lot more likely that Buck got it wrong.

Buck kept saying down by contact isn't reviewable. But you can review whether a play was a fumble or not can't you? The question was whether he fumbled before he was down.

NFL turns down proposal on 'down by contact'

KAPALUA, Hawaii (March 23, 2005) -- A proposal to make down-by-contact plays reviewable by replay was rejected by NFL teams.

The proposed change was perhaps the most important in a package of rules changes approved by the league's competition committee. It would have allowed the referee to use replay cameras to look at fumbles even though the whistle had blown, something that currently ends the play regardless of what the cameras might see.

It did get 20 of 32 possible votes but not the 24 required to implement it for the one year it was being proposed.

"It actually got a few more yes votes than I thought," said Atlanta general manager Rich McKay, the committee's co-chairman. "This is a big play. This is a turnover. We haven't heard the last of it."

McKay said he originally opposed the change, fearing it would cause injuries because some players would stop at the whistle and were in danger of being injured by others going after a loose ball. But he changed his mind after watching tape of 20 plays botched by officials over the past two seasons in which plays continued anyway.

"It's a split-second thing," he said. "These are game-changing plays. Change of possession is one of the most important things we deal with."

Many of the 12 teams that voted against the change are teams that always opposed replay, which last year was approved for a five-year period after going in year-to-year before that. They were joined by several others that simply opposed continuing the play after the whistle.

Even coaches with teams that voted for the change expressed some concern.

"You teach players that the whistle ends the play," Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy said. "It's a major change in their mind-set to get them to keep going."

Most of the rules changes this year were to emphasize safety after a season in which there was an increase in major injuries.

One rule tabled until the meetings in May would outlaw the so-called "horse-collar tackle," in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and rides a player down. Several of those tackles resulted in serious injuries last season, most notably Dallas safety Roy Williams' tackle of All-Pro receiver Terrell Owens of Philadelphia.

"Look for it in some form to be passed in May," McKay said. "The coaches are concerned with the language of it and how we can refine it."

Among those approved were a rule that will make illegal a peel-back block below the waist and from the back. Those blocks most often happen on screen passes and after interceptions.

The peel-back rule would have made illegal the high-profile play in 2002 in which a block by Tampa Bay's Warren Sapp injured Green Bay's Chad Clifton after an interception.

Also approved were two rules that mandate unnecessary roughness calls for blocks away from the play on punters or kickers, who now get the same protection as quarterbacks have had after an interception.

Voted down were changing the defensive pass interference rule from a spot foul to the 15-yard variety, as in the colleges, on long plays; placing two TV cameras by the goal lines for replay on questionable touchdowns; and eliminating the automatic first down from the 5-yard illegal contact plays by defenses.

Among those passed was eliminating the opportunity to stop the clock with a fourth timeout outside of the final two minutes of each half or overtime. That little-known option that stops the clock and is a 5-yard penalty actually hurt two teams last season, McKay admitted.

Also, when the clock is stopped by officials for a measurement or some other reason, the play clock will resume with however many seconds remained on it, unless it was under 10 seconds. In the past, the referee would reset it to 25 seconds even if more than that remained, a disadvantage for some teams trying to kill the clock.

If the play clock is under 10 seconds, it will be put back at 10 after the stoppage ends.
 

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MikeD17 said:
I m more with the refs letting the guys play the game. I tell you what i cant stand is when that black ref and his crew call a game. I watched them call games and they just call so many dang flags. they called i think 35 infractions yesterday for the ravens lions game. its just so annoying to watch a game as a fan and always worrying about a flag.I mean i can understand calling the obvious holding, the offsides, the false starts, but dont be calling flags like the one keyshawn got against oakland cause his body ws leaning forward . I just pray dallas doesnt ever get a game with the black ref and his crew, to me there the worse refs in the game for the simple fact they over call the game. you got to let the players play the game and only call the obvious stuff. to me that crew is so damn ticky tacky it makes me sick. they call pass interference if the db's fingernail brushes against the wr's shoulder pad. just not fun to watch as a fan


To me its like they want to get on tv , and they really are deciding games more often then they should :starspin I pray that a ref doesnt cost us a game like they did in oakland again this year. if keyshawn score there , we beat oakland 20-19.

Johnny Grier is considered one of the best in the biz. I think he and Ed Hochuli are the top guys in the league.
 

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I didnt remember his name , thanks , and yes ive heard that but really i disagree. Is he good at making sure that all the calls are made yes, but hes also guilty of over calling the game. to me he's too ticky tacky, you got to let the players play., to me him and his crew decide to many games then they should. flags are so huge in football and you hate to see the better team lose due to a really ticky tack call or just a plan bad call .

Seriously that flag on keyshawn cost us the raider game, we win that game if it wasnt for that ticky tack call. :star:
 

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On Roy's sack the olineman #73 not only held Ellis but he also had his hands all up in Ellis facemask.
 

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MikeD17 said:
I didnt remember his name , thanks , and yes ive heard that but really i disagree. Is he good at making sure that all the calls are made yes, but hes also guilty of over calling the game. to me he's too ticky tacky, you got to let the players play., to me him and his crew decide to many games then they should. flags are so huge in football and you hate to see the better team lose due to a really ticky tack call or just a plan bad call .

Seriously that flag on keyshawn cost us the raider game, we win that game if it wasnt for that ticky tack call. :star:

I disagree on the Key play that you are referring to in that Raider game. He clearly went toward the line of scrimmage. Easy call for the line judge especially when they have been instructed to focus on that particular penalty this season. Maybe you are right about the rest of the stuff, but Key screwed up on that one and he should know better.
 

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joseephuss said:
I disagree on the Key play that you are referring to in that Raider game. He clearly went toward the line of scrimmage. Easy call for the line judge especially when they have been instructed to focus on that particular penalty this season. Maybe you are right about the rest of the stuff, but Key screwed up on that one and he should know better.
He has done that several times since coming to Dallas. :bang2:
 

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joseephuss said:
NFL turns down proposal on 'down by contact'

KAPALUA, Hawaii (March 23, 2005) -- A proposal to make down-by-contact plays reviewable by replay was rejected by NFL teams.

[rest of story deleted]

I'm still not sure that the officials can't review the play that Buck was going on about -- Buck said "down by contact" -- but the question is whether Thompson was down before the ball came out before the ruling of down by contact.

The refs can't overturn down by contact -- but they can rule that the ball came out before a player was down. The rule you cite in the article and the one that Buck cited seems to be in place to keep teams from reviewing spots not fumbles.

Also, I believe last night there was a similar review on MNF -- either the refs are totally wrong twice - not likely since if they were wrong sunday, the MNF crew would have a memo on it -- or Buck was totally off in his comments.
 

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seems across the league yesterday were a ton of bad calls...i wonder how the league will respond with the complaints coming in.


Agreed...I have seen many bad calls in many games this season...not just cowboys games.
 

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Don't forget the chop block on Ware, it was dirty pool by the Eaglets, those can be season enders..
 

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Yeagermeister said:
On Roy's sack the olineman #73 not only held Ellis but he also had his hands all up in Ellis facemask.

Yeah I seen that also... and 3 or 4 others just as blatant...this is not the first time this year either the o-line of an opposing team just mugs somebody on defense and it goes uncalled it has happened in every game so far this year...and I mean VERY blatant... the refs would have to be looking into the stands or something to not have seen it
 

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Am I being partial or does anybody else see Ware being held a lot? Escpecially after he beats the intial block.
 

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I feel like a Commander fan complaining about the referees. I need a shower.

Commanders fans should hardly be complaining about officiating...they wouldnt be 3-1 if not for a number of questionable calls and non calls, including the OBVIOUS freaking holding that was ignored on Ellis on the 1st TD in our game. I still cant see how the refs missed that one, then some how "eagle eyed" that "holding" on Adams on the 1st down pass to Keyshawn Johnson that would have basically allowed us to run out the clock

I watched the end of the Denver/Skins game the other day, and it was horrendous...the announcers were even cracking jokes about the missed holding calls (one was on Jansen, the guy joked "well you cant call holding on a guy with two broken thumbs" and the other was a really really bad tackle by the OL on Ekuban)...there was also a total phantom illegal contact penalty that gave the Skins another bogus first down

its just like the 80's again with Gibbs, the Skins and referees

David
 

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Johnny Grier is considered one of the best in the biz. I think he and Ed Hochuli are the top guys in the league.

please...Hochuli is absolutely horrendous

David
 

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Can someone please explain to me why towards the end of the half, Key catches a pass, steps out of bounds, and the game clock continues to run?

I think it's after the ball is spoted even after going out of bounds the clock is restarted.

Only within the last 5 minutes of the half and game does the clock stop for good when you go out of bounds.

This was changed a few years ago in order to speed up the game.
 

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I think it's after the ball is spoted even after going out of bounds the clock is restarted.

Only within the last 5 minutes of the half and game does the clock stop for good when you go out of bounds.

This was changed a few years ago in order to speed up the game.

It happened with about 2:23 left on the clock. The clock started when they re-set the ball, but I thought since it was under 5:00 it would not start until the ball was snapped.
 

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joseephuss said:
It happened with about 2:23 left on the clock. The clock started when they re-set the ball, but I thought since it was under 5:00 it would not start until the ball was snapped.

Well I don't remember the specific play...But if the time was 2:23 then they were wrong to start the clock.
 
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