Portis hurts shoulder in Skins game, taken in for XRAYS

[clayman]

i don't really care one way or the other, I don't want to see any players hurt but it won't really matter if we beat them because they will find an excuse...they always do

They didn't have to last year...and excuses like we would have been a lock at 12-4 with a real kicker? everyone makes excuses...thats why i hope we play them and others full strength so there shouldn't be any.

 

[Duane]

It doesn't sound quite right to me - most shoulder separations can't be "popped back", but dkislocations can be.

The shoulder is a very complicated complex of 4 joints. One of those is where the collar bone meets the shoulder blade (AC joint) - this is where shoulder separations occur. Another one is where the arm meets its socket in the shoulder blade (glenohumeral joint) - this is where dislocations occur.

If it is really true that his shoulder was put back in place then this is most likely a shoulder dislocation which is a much more serious injury in the long run than a shoulder separation. Once a shoulder has been dislocated, there is a strong tendency for it to recur without surgery. For a guy like Portis, the risk of recurrence would be close to 100%.

The other issue with shoulder dislocations is they are frequently accompanied by other injuries - small fractures of bone, nerve injuries, blood vessel injuries, capsule injuries, ligament injuries, tendor injuries ....

Thanks, your injury explanations are always excellent.

 

[Cbz40]

It doesn't sound quite right to me - most shoulder separations can't be "popped back", but dkislocations can be.

The shoulder is a very complicated complex of 4 joints. One of those is where the collar bone meets the shoulder blade (AC joint) - this is where shoulder separations occur. Another one is where the arm meets its socket in the shoulder blade (glenohumeral joint) - this is where dislocations occur.

If it is really true that his shoulder was put back in place then this is most likely a shoulder dislocation which is a much more serious injury in the long run than a shoulder separation. Once a shoulder has been dislocated, there is a strong tendency for it to recur without surgery. For a guy like Portis, the risk of recurrence would be close to 100%.

The other issue with shoulder dislocations is they are frequently accompanied by other injuries - small fractures of bone, nerve injuries, blood vessel injuries, capsule injuries, ligament injuries, tendor injuries ....

Glad to see you back Sir.....we missed ya.

 

[SAboys889]

It doesn't sound quite right to me - most shoulder separations can't be "popped back", but dkislocations can be.

The shoulder is a very complicated complex of 4 joints. One of those is where the collar bone meets the shoulder blade (AC joint) - this is where shoulder separations occur. Another one is where the arm meets its socket in the shoulder blade (glenohumeral joint) - this is where dislocations occur.

If it is really true that his shoulder was put back in place then this is most likely a shoulder dislocation which is a much more serious injury in the long run than a shoulder separation. Once a shoulder has been dislocated, there is a strong tendency for it to recur without surgery. For a guy like Portis, the risk of recurrence would be close to 100%.

The other issue with shoulder dislocations is they are frequently accompanied by other injuries - small fractures of bone, nerve injuries, blood vessel injuries, capsule injuries, ligament injuries, tendor injuries ....

Looks like you were right:

Commanders' Portis leaves with shoulder injury

NFL.com wire reports

CINCINNATI (Aug. 13, 2006) -- Running back Clinton Portis partially dislocated his left shoulder during Washington's opening series of the preseason, a significant setback for the Commanders' revamped offense.

An MRI test detected the injury, which involves the bone popping out of place temporarily in the shoulder socket. Standard treatment involves rest and strengthening exercises.

There was no immediate indication how long he will be sidelined.

Portis opened the game by carrying for 8 yards, then blocked on pass plays. He didn't return for the next series, and headed for the locker room a little while later without his jersey to get the shoulder tested.

The Commanders got Portis from Denver in a trade for cornerback Champ Bailey in March 2004. He started 15 games for the Commanders the next season, and ran for more than 1,300 yards for the third straight year.

Portis started every game last season, running for a club-record 1,516 yards. He had nine 100-yard games, helping the Commanders win 10 games and reach the playoffs as a wild-card team.

He was counted on again to steady an offense that has undergone significant changes in the offseason. Commanders coach Joe Gibbs, who called the plays throughout his career, turned the offense over to assistant Al Saunders in the offseason.

Portis' backup is Ladell Betts, who carried 89 times for 338 yards in 12 games last season and missed four games because of a knee injury.

The Commanders' corps of running backs sustained another injury in the second quarter, when Kerry Carter had to be helped off the field with an injured right knee. Carter was signed as a free agent in January after missing last season.

Washington's second-string linebacker Chris Clemons sprained a ligament in his left knee late in the first quarter. Clemons, who started one game last season, had a brace placed on the knee before he was helped off the field. He didn't put weight on his left leg.

 

[Derinyar]

The way I look at it, it doesn't matter whos there or whos not. If we beat a team whos not at 100% we still got the win. In this year to year league thats all that matters anymore.

 

[random Cs]

At least it was a good tackle.

 

[DIAF]

ah hahahaa.

Cry more tears, little chump portis.

Andrea Kramer: "How do you feel"

Clinton Portis: "Like I just got done playing in a football game THAT I HAD NO BUSINESS PLAYING IN"


waaaa waaaa

Suck it, Portis.

 

[Encore]

Shoulder injuries:

Acromioclavicular joint (AC) shoulder separation. This is also known as a
separated shoulder. This injury occurs as a result of a hit or blow to the top
part of the shoulder, depressing the scapula (shoulder blade) and tearing the
ligaments between the scapula and clavicle (collar bone). The classic case where
you see this injury is when a QB is sacked and driven to the turf shoulder first.
These don’t usually require surgery, and length of rehab depends upon severity and
player position. For example, a quarterback with an AC separation on his throwing
shoulder will obviously be more serious than a similar injury to a wide receiver.

Treatment and Return to play: For less severe grade 1 injuries, return to play
may be immediate (especially with a pain killing injection). More severe injuries
with grade 2 or grade 3 damage may take six weeks or even more.


Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability. (Note - this is NOT what Clinton
Portis appears to have. At least from what we know Sunday night) The most common
shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations
occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front
part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required
to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means
these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations:
http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.
At this point, it's believed that Portis has a shoulder separation and not a
dislocation.

As we describe in the article, ligament and tendon sprains are graded as 1 being a
stretch. 2 being a partial tear and 3 being a complete tear. So when you hear the
reports on Portis' shoulder, what you want to hear is a grade 1 AC joint sprain. If
grade 2 or grade 3 are mentioned, that's definitely a red flag. Stay tuned. We'll
be right here to help.

 

[Kevin]

The fact that a report hasnt come out yet seems bad for him. Also Clemons has a sprained MCL for them too.

They won't have a report until tommorow at least. We were lucky it happened in Cincinnati- one of the only stadiums with an MRI machine in it.

 

[Kevin]

ah hahahaa.

Cry more tears, little chump portis.

Andrea Kramer: "How do you feel"

Clinton Portis: "Like I just got done playing in a football game THAT I HAD NO BUSINESS PLAYING IN"


waaaa waaaa

Suck it, Portis.

Have some class.

 

[dreamshatterer]

It doesn't sound quite right to me - most shoulder separations can't be "popped back", but dkislocations can be.

The shoulder is a very complicated complex of 4 joints. One of those is where the collar bone meets the shoulder blade (AC joint) - this is where shoulder separations occur. Another one is where the arm meets its socket in the shoulder blade (glenohumeral joint) - this is where dislocations occur.

If it is really true that his shoulder was put back in place then this is most likely a shoulder dislocation which is a much more serious injury in the long run than a shoulder separation. Once a shoulder has been dislocated, there is a strong tendency for it to recur without surgery. For a guy like Portis, the risk of recurrence would be close to 100%.

The other issue with shoulder dislocations is they are frequently accompanied by other injuries - small fractures of bone, nerve injuries, blood vessel injuries, capsule injuries, ligament injuries, tendor injuries ....

AWW $!@*

 

[Henson Domination]

Never want to see injuries to key players... hope he can get it fixed up and back on the field soon enough. From his interview, I think this will be his last preseason game... even if he gets healthy.

Have some class.

I agree, but with all due respect... responses like that are kind of expected and should be taken with a grain of salt. How many skins fans were happy to see Owens and Arrington hurt? I read more than enough "hahaha" in response to Owens injury. Some fans just don't get it. Ignore them.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

ah hahahaa.

Cry more tears, little chump portis.

Andrea Kramer: "How do you feel"

Clinton Portis: "Like I just got done playing in a football game THAT I HAD NO BUSINESS PLAYING IN"


waaaa waaaa

Suck it, Portis.

wouldnt you be a little frustrated injurying yourself on the first drive of the first preseason game? who cares, people say stupid stuff when angry, and this is an example of it, get over it.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Yeah, Everybody holds their breath during these preseason games like we did last nite with Crayton and Carpenter.

 

[TheSkaven]

Yeah, Everybody holds their breath during these preseason games like we did last nite with Crayton and Carpenter.

Yes, this is the love-hate relationship with pre-season games. It's great to have football back and good to see the young players, but you hold your breath on every play. Just get the regular season here, already!

 

[Wood]

this is bad news for skins. Dislocations have a tendency to linger and are easily re-aggrevated especially at RB position where they rely on stiff arm and take an inordinate amount of punishment on shoulders thru course of game.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

For most guys? 2 weeks

For a RB who takes hits every down on his shoulders? A month or so

Dislocations arent hard to fix, but the sweeling and soreness just wont go away

ok doc......

If its a shoulder subluxation then it is almost certainly coupled with a tear in the Labrum called a bankhart tear its small but very painfull.

He can play with it heavily wraped if thats what it is but it will almost certainly get worse until fixed. thats if it is a torn labrum. once fixed it is a 2-4 month recovery period

I know this from going through it........and they said it was a subluxation (shoulder pops way out of place and then snaps back in quickly.)

ONLY THE MRI WILL TELL.........

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Dislocated shoulder with anterior instability. (Note - this is NOT what Clinton
Portis appears to have. At least from what we know Sunday night) The most common
shoulder dislocation in football is out the front or anterior. Dislocations
occurring traumatically in this direction often tear the labrum in the front
part of the shoulder, leaving the shoulder at risk for recurrent dislocations.

Treatment and Return to play: For return to play, surgery is usually required
to repair the torn labrum. The subsequent rehab is about 4 months, which means
these are often season ending injuries.

Here is a link to more information including some handy illustrations:
http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html

Note the big difference between a shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation.
At this point, it's believed that Portis has a shoulder separation and not a
dislocation.

As we describe in the article, ligament and tendon sprains are graded as 1 being a
stretch. 2 being a partial tear and 3 being a complete tear. So when you hear the
reports on Portis' shoulder, what you want to hear is a grade 1 AC joint sprain. If
grade 2 or grade 3 are mentioned, that's definitely a red flag. Stay tuned. We'll
be right here to help.

I had a anterior Labrum tear that i tried to play with......yea not fun recurrent times 4 and the arm is just about unuasable until the swelling goes down. Playing D End with one arm = not smart

For Clinton i hope its not a Labrum, for my hate for the skins i hope it is...........

 

[ghost]

I hope its not bad, if we sweep them b/c Portis was hurt I wouldnt feel the same.

i want the Commanders healthy vs. the cowboys healthy

Now thats a game I can't wait to see.

 

[EastDallasCowboy]

What is all this posturing to pretend you care?

This if the NFL in the 21st century. We all want to win. Sure, we'd love to win on a fair and even field....but we'd rather win.

I'm going to end up crucified for saying this, but I hope Portis is injured. It's not that I hate the guy, but he's going to get his millions regardless. He;s not going to be on the corner of I-30/Buckner tomorrow because he's hurt. All it effects is how many millions he's going to get and whether or not his team beats mine.

All I care about are Lombardi's. Don't care how, don't care why. No one except the final winner and loser rememeber that. If Portis doesn't play a down this season, I'm ecstatic. That's improves the odds for the Cowboys. And if we win it all despite an injured Portis, 20 years from now the Commanders will remember that....the rest of the world will remember the title.