Position by position breakdown of Dallas/Washington starters

[Rack]

I like seeing the comparisons, but it really doesn't tell the story.

You really need to look at the matchups to tell how the teams will fair against each other.

In other words....

Wash DL vs Dallas OL

Dallas WR vs Wash DBs

etc....

etc.....

I'm too lazy to do it myself.

Not only that, I still want to wait on the draft and preseason before I try that daunting task.

He's not comparing how they'd do head to head. He's comparing them to eachother to see who has the better team, as in who will have a better season.


Therefore matchups are useless.

That's what I understood from it anyway.

 

[Justis]

Griffin is better than Ferguson.

I disagree, a lot.

 

[HailTheRedSkins]

Hail, I have seen folks over there on rare occasion that even call out other 'Skins fans when their assessments get a bit ridiculous, but it's the exception rather than the norm.

I've just never quite grasped the outright refusal by some folks (i.e. bubba9497) to ever bring themselves to say anything positive about anyone other than the Commanders.

I think you get a lot of young kids who havent been fans for more than two or three years ( not that thats a bad thing) just that they really dont have much knowledge than what they have seen in the past two or three years. I remember Dallas being the team of the 90's and the Commanders being well (the team of 91). All I am saying is someday in a perfect world we will all live in peace but until the season pans out- none of us know because its not a cut and dry case on who is the better team. Who knows maybe ST goes to jail and Terry Glen catches a game winner. Thats the fun thing about football.
Last year I watched as many games as I could in Iraq and they were incrediblly fulfilling at taking my mind off of other things. This year its all the same. This is a great sport, without a doubt. I love it......

 

[jcblanco22]

I think you get a lot of young kids who havent been fans for more than two or three years ( not that thats a bad thing) just that they really dont have much knowledge than what they have seen in the past two or three years. I remember Dallas being the team of the 90's and the Commanders being well (the team of 91). All I am saying is someday in a perfect world we will all live in peace but until the season pans out- none of us know because its not a cut and dry case on who is the better team. Who knows maybe ST goes to jail and Terry Glen catches a game winner. Thats the fun thing about football.
Last year I watched as many games as I could in Iraq and they were incrediblly fulfilling at taking my mind off of other things. This year its all the same. This is a great sport, without a doubt. I love it......

Agreed on all points, and it's refreshing to see a Skins fan who one can engage in dialogue with!

 

[The30YardSlant]

I disagree, a lot.

How so?

 

[HailTheRedSkins]

Agreed on all points, and it's refreshing to see a Skins fan who one can engage in dialogue with!

Dont get me wrong- I still laugh when I think about how Michael Irvin said ST is a disgrace to the NFL!

:laugh2:

 

[burmafrd]

How any real football fan can claim that Moss is equal to TO - that is funny.

 

[HailTheRedSkins]

How any real football fan can claim that Moss is equal to TO - that is funny.

Well looking at Moss numbers (which Im not a huge # guy) its not that far off
Secondly looking at TO record of tearing teams apart! well 2-0 in that lane. The only thing I can tell you is that you did a good thing only giving him 5 mil the first year. TO is incredible but in the locker room I would rather have Lawernce Taylor

 

[HailTheRedSkins]

If he comes to play- he is the better player. but time will tell and I believe that JJ knows that and thats why the conditions were set

 

[jrumann59]

Thrash is gone. Jacobs will soon follow.

And depth was more important in the pre-salary cap era, as most teams these days dont have great depth. Starting WRs, RBs, and TEs play 80-85% of the snaps. O-Linemen play ever snap. Same with starting corners and usually safeties. The only positions that really shift a lot are DL and LB.

I would have to disagree I think depth can give you 2/3 to 3/4 of a win. The reason why you just said it. Being smart with the cap will allow you to bring middle level talent to step in when one of your regulars goes down for a week or 2. In todays NFL with the speed and strength of players you need about 15-16 starter capable players on offense and on defense. It is not the hay day when the superstars were men playing amongst boys right now there is less spearatinga 1st round pick from a 7th round pick then there was 15 years ago. In salary Cap football depth is almost as important as the draft.

 

[jrumann59]

Dont get me wrong- I still laugh when I think about how Michael Irvin said ST is a disgrace to the NFL!

:laugh2:

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[EndGame]

A fairly good comparison. The only place I really have to take issue is the Crayton vs. Randal El part. El is a much better receiver than Crayton at this point in their careers. You can look at stats all you want, but you have to remember that the Stillers are a run first, second, and third team. Their receivers are NOT going to get stellar numbers. Plus, he had Hines Ward on the other side of the field from him. The one thing that Crayton does have going for him is money ... he isn't paid much of it

 

[SouthernStar]

Crayton.

I've always felt that die-hard fans of a team who can readily acknowledge the superiority of certain players on other clubs over those on their own when appropriate, and who are secure enough in their "fandom" to do so, are usually the most knowledgeable of all fans.

Well said, true, but seldom believed.

 

[Future]

A fairly good comparison. The only place I really have to take issue is the Crayton vs. Randal El part. El is a much better receiver than Crayton at this point in their careers. You can look at stats all you want, but you have to remember that the Stillers are a run first, second, and third team. Their receivers are NOT going to get stellar numbers. Plus, he had Hines Ward on the other side of the field from him. The one thing that Crayton does have going for him is money ... he isn't paid much of it

randle el is a terrific gadget/kr/pr guy but hes not a top 2 receiver. he just hasnt shown anything particular in that department other than WR reverse passes...

crayton has terrific hands and good size, i think that makes him a better WR regardless of production. and lets not forget he hasnt played a whole season yet

TG still scares me more than TO

i had to laugh... a lot

 

[heir]

Some might disagree with me here but I would almost say Bledsoe and Brunell are a push based on last year. They are like polar opposites abd both have strengths and weakness but at this point in their careers I'd say they are about even. Or at least they are closer than you seemed to make it in the original poat. Also the Crayton > Randle El thing I'm not sure about either

 

[HailTheRedSkins]

i had to laugh... a lot

I thought you would like that one but in all honesty by the time TO gets down field will the pocket have already collapsed on Bledsoe?

 

[BIGDen]

Carlos Rogers got burnt like a ****** near a hot stove last year.

May not have been "PC", but that was funny as hell!

 

[SkinsFan07]

Of course, God hates Washington, so we all know who will win

That was uncalled for.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That was uncalled for.

So was your registration on this site, but yet here I am, reading your post.

 

[ghettogandhi]

I agree with your assesment of the players by position but you neglected a vital area-COACHING_

unfortunately for US one of the better staffs in the league is in washington with GIBBS, Awesome D coordinator and the Offensive Coordinator from the Chiefs= BIG ADVANTAGE TO WASHINGTON

until we get competent offensive and defensive coordinators we will be no better than 11-5

Let's see who the better team REALLY is:

Quarterback:

Dallas: Drew Bledsoe
Washington: Mark Brunell

First of all, everyone, including Washington fans, acknowledge Brunell's lack of arm strength. The term "noodle arm" was even coined by the Washington press. Bledsoe has a much better arm, many believe he is still one of the best pure pocket passing QBs in football. Brunell holds the advantage in mobility, though he isnt the scrambler he once was. The biggest thing: Bledsoe is 33, Brunell is 37. Brunell's arm has already started to leave him, one only wonders if he has any hope of a repeat performance of 2005.

Advantage: Dallas

Runningback:

Dallas: Julius Jones
Washington: Clinton Portis

No real need to dicuss this one, Clinton Portis is a top 5 RB.

Advantage: Washington

Wide Receiver:

Dallas: Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Patrick Crayton
Washingon: Santana Moss, Brandon Llyod, Antwaan Randle El

This one is pretty close, but when you get down to it, TO > Moss, Glenn > Liyod, and Crayton > Randle El

Advantage: Dallas

Tight End:

Dallas: Jason Witten
Washington: Chris Cooley

Another no brainer. Cooley is good, Witten is elite.

Advantage: Dallas

Offensive Line:

Dallas: Flozell Adams, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Marco Rivera, Jason Fabini
Washington: Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Ray Brown, Jon Jansen

This isnt even funny. Outside of Adams and Rivera, Dallas doesnt have much.

Advantage: Washington

Defensive Line:

Dallas: Chris Canty/Greg Ellis, Jason Ferguson, Marcus Spears
Washington: Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Andre Carter

THis one is tough. Marcus Spears and Ellis/Canty are obviously better than the DE's of Washington, but Griffin is better than Ferguson. However, Andre Carter is a tweener and teams will run on him, while Spears and Canty are run stopping specialist. Had Washington gotton Abraham, this would be Washington's advantage.

Advantage: Dallas

Linebackers:

Dallas: DeMarcus Ware, Akin Ayodele, Bradie James, draft pick
Washington: Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, ?????

Both teams have no starting strongside LB right now, so its hard to judge right now. If Dallas drafts an OLB in round 1, the edge goes to Dallas. However, because Marshall and Washington are both very good players, it goes to the Skins as of now.

Advantage: Washington

Cornerbacks:

Dallas: Terence Newman, Anthony Henry
Washington: Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers

Terence Newman and Anthony Henry make up one of the better CB duos in the NFL. Shawn Springs is good, but his skills are diminishing. Carlos Rogers got burnt like a ****** near a hot stove last year.

Advantage: Dallas

Safeties:

Dallas: Roy Williams, ?????
Washington: Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta

Until Dallas gets a compitant FS, it wont matter that Washington's safeties couldnt cover a JV wide receiver.

Advantage: Washington

Kicker:

Dallas: Mike Vanderjagt
Washington: John Hall

Easy. 2nd best kicker in football vs washed up limp leg

Advantage: Dallas

Punter:

Dallas: Matt McBriar
Washignton: Derrick Frost

Dallas could have Nors at punter, we would still be better.

Advantage: Dallas

Coaching:

Dallas: Bill Parcells
Washington: JOe Gibbs

While head coach is a push, the Washington assistants give them a strong edge.

Advantage: Washington




Final tally:

Dallas: QB, WR, TE, DL, CB, K, P
Washington: RB, OL, LB, S, Coaching

Giving 1 point for every position and two for coaching (more important at times IMO) thats:

Dallas: 7
Washington: 6

In other words, no one knows :laugh2: