Positives about hiring Norv

[Bob Sacamano]

yeah ok right...everybody was singing his praises and knew he'd be a nearly 1700 yd rusher this yr right? is that why he was a 3rd rd pick?

David

I think 3 ACL surgeries had a little something to do w/ him being a 3rd round pick

 

[theogt]

yeah ok right...everybody was singing his praises and knew he'd be a nearly 1700 yd rusher this yr right? is that why he was a 3rd rd pick?

David

Not everyone. Most hardcore fantasy football people knew he was a major steal this year considering his YPC during his rookie season and that the 9ers got rid of Barlow so there wasn't anyone to split carries with him. It should have been obvious in our preseason game against him.

That the average fan didn't know Gore was a good back is hardly an argument that Norv is responsible for him being good. LOL!

As for the 3rd round pick, that was because of his injuries. The 9ers took a chance (because there was a chance he would never be 100&#37 and it paid off. Him being 100% has everything to do with him being an elite back. Norv? 0%.

 

[dbair1967]

Emmitt, Terry Allen, Steven Davis, Ricky Williams and then Frank Gore

there is a reason all these guys had their best yrs with Norv calling plays

David

 

[dbair1967]

Not everyone. Most hardcore fantasy football people knew he was a major steal this year considering his YPC during his rookie season and that the 9ers got rid of Barlow so there wasn't anyone to split carries with him. It should have been obvious in our preseason game against him.

That the average fan didn't know Gore was a good back is hardly an argument that Norv is responsible for him being good. LOL!

As for the 3rd round pick, that was because of his injuries. The 9ers took a chance (because there was a chance he would never be 100%) and it paid off. Him being 100% has everything to do with him being an elite back. Norv? 0%.

we can revisit this at the end of next season if Norv isnt their offensive coordinator

and being injured didnt keep Mcgahee from being drafted high did it?

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Emmitt, Terry Allen, Steven Davis, Ricky Williams and then Frank Gore

there is a reason all these guys had their best yrs with Norv calling plays

David

so Norv has a great, RB track-record

head-coaching?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

You're going to argue that players don't typically get better in their 2nd year? Are you serious or this a joke someone is playing on me? No one could be this ignorant.

I'm telling you that, despite your objection, your opinion does not carry anywhere near the weight of the player that you are trying to support, especially when that player feels the exact opposite way of your opinion. Frank Gore said Turner made him better, so your opinion doesn't mean anything. I am also tellling you that, while most players get better, it is not a given. I repeat and hope it will sink in, Gore feels that Turner made him better. You thinking otherwise does not change the fact (yes fact) that Gore said that Turner made him better. As for ignorance, you are basically telling me that Turner did not make Frank Gore better when Frank Gore said that Turner made him better.

I hope they don't revoke your litigation license.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we can revisit this at the end of next season if Norv isnt their offensive coordinator

and being injured didnt keep Mcgahee from being drafted high did it?

David

McGahee wasn't injured more than once on both knees, one of them twice

 

[Hoofbite]

we can revisit this at the end of next season if Norv isnt their offensive coordinator

and being injured didnt keep Mcgahee from being drafted high did it?

David

Hasn't Gore had both his knees redone?

Mcgahee's looked to be a freak accident while Gore looked like a trend.

 

[theogt]

Emmitt, Terry Allen, Steven Davis, Ricky Williams and then Frank Gore

there is a reason all these guys had their best yrs with Norv calling plays

David

Emmitt did have his best year under Turner, but he has plenty of great years without Turner. Turner gets no credit for Emmitt Smith being an elite back -- Emmitt Smith gets all the credit.

Terry Allen had some pretty bad years under Turner. He also had arguably his best year before he went to Washington.

Stephen Davis didn't have his best years under Turner.

Williams had one good year under Turner and one below average year under Turner.

I've already explained why Turner gets no credit for Gore.

In my opinion, you need to find another reason to support Turner.

 

[theogt]

we can revisit this at the end of next season if Norv isnt their offensive coordinator

and being injured didnt keep Mcgahee from being drafted high did it?

David

What does this have to do with anything? People criticized Buffalo for drafting McGahee high and it hasn't proven to not be a mistake.

 

[theogt]

I'm telling you that, despite your objection, your opinion does not carry anywhere near the weight of the player that you are trying to support, especially when that player feels the exact opposite way of your opinion. Frank Gore said Turner made him better, so your opinion doesn't mean anything. I am also tellling you that, while most players get better, it is not a given. I repeat and hope it will sink in, Gore feels that Turner made him better. You thinking otherwise does not change the fact (yes fact) that Gore said that Turner made him better. As for ignorance, you are basically telling me that Turner did not make Frank Gore better when Frank Gore said that Turner made him better.

I hope they don't revoke your litigation license.

LOL! Your argument has boiled down to: "Frank Gore said that Norv Turner has made him better."

All the facts point to Turner not having a role. Sorry, but you'd be booted out of court on a 12(b)(6).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ok, for argument's sake, Norv produces great RBs

what else can he do for us?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

LOL! Your argument has boiled down to: "Frank Gore said that Norv Turner has made him better."

All the facts point to Turner not having a role. Sorry, but you'd be booted out of court on a 12(b)(6).

Stats support it as well. All you have is that Gore should have been better because he was in his second year and your opinion that goes against your Client's. This would be an easy day for me.

 

[dbair1967]

Emmitt did have his best year under Turner, but he has plenty of great years without Turner. Turner gets no credit for Emmitt Smith being an elite back -- Emmitt Smith gets all the credit.

Terry Allen had some pretty bad years under Turner. He also had arguably his best year before he went to Washington.

Stephen Davis didn't have his best years under Turner.

Williams had one good year under Turner and one below average year under Turner.

I've already explained why Turner gets no credit for Gore.

In my opinion, you need to find another reason to support Turner.

hmmm...Ricky Williams...two yrs w/ Norv, over 3200 yds rushing, 27 totl tds and almost 100 receptions...Terry Allen's best seasons were 1995 and 1996 in Washington..almost 2700 yds rushing and 31 rushing tds...1999 ans 2000 Davis had almost 2800 rushing yds and 28 tds...he did have one yr in Carolina where he had a career high rushing yds, but it was by a total of 12 yds

David

 

[theogt]

ok, for argument's sake, Norv produces great RBs

what else can he do for us?

Well, he's so good at developing young QBs like Aikman and uh.....well....there's...uhh....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, he's so good at developing young QBs like Aikman and uh.....well....there's...uhh....

and our biggest problem lies where?...

exactly, bad hire

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol, seeing people defend Norval is like watching skin fans defend Sean Taylor, you can find a kernal in any crapheap if you look hard enough

 

[theogt]

hmmm...Ricky Williams...two yrs w/ Norv, over 3200 yds rushing, 27 totl tds and almost 100 receptions...Terry Allen's best seasons were 1995 and 1996 in Washington..almost 2700 yds rushing and 31 rushing tds...1999 ans 2000 Davis had almost 2800 rushing yds and 28 tds...he did have one yr in Carolina where he had a career high rushing yds, but it was by a total of 12 yds

David

You can't combine stats for 2 years and say both years stats were really good. Williams' 2002 stats inflate his 2003 stats when combined.

Terry Allen's best season was in 96. His 2nd best season was in 92 before Turner.

Davis's best season were in 2001 and 2003 without Turner.

 

[Hoofbite]

I want to know whats so wrong with Dallas' current offense to even warrant hiring a supposed "offensive genius".

What is Norv going to bring that will improve the defense?


I don't know why people want the guy. Seems to be a lot of people holding on to the past, hoping to replicate the success based on having someone from that staff come back. Jimmy wouldn't so lets try Norv.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Well, he's so good at developing young QBs like Aikman and uh.....well....there's...uhh....

He did not have good talent at the QB position, but he did well with what he had. He made a journeyman like Gus Frerrotte a Pro-Bowler in 1996 and Brad Johnson led the league in passing in 1999