Possible 10-15 years of .500 football when Dak's gone

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yes, Romo was the reason they lost. You seem obsessed with blaming the QB position, even though some teams have shown you can win the Super Bowl with an average QB. This team can't because its front office doesn't know how to build a team.

Cooper Rush went 5-1 with Dak's roster. Cooper Rush was released and nobody wanted him. Cooper Rush is a bonafide bum.

Cooper Rush killed the "we don't have a good roster because of our FO" narrative that you guys love to use to downplay the importance of the QB position in the NFL.

 

[DenCWBY]

If you aren’t winning in the playoffs it doesn’t matter.

BOOM!!

 

[Redsfan_83]

He’s not an elite amongst the elites like Mahomes, Brady and Rogers who can overcome a weakness in the opposing teams In the playoffs. When you’re 1 dimensional on offense and when your defense can’t stop the other team from running it down your throat *** whipping you all the way, not even Mahomes or Brady could overcome that.

Why I have said Dak needs everything around him to work to be effective..

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Cooper Rush went 5-1 with Dak's roster. Cooper Rush was released and nobody wanted him. Cooper Rush is a bonafide bum.

Cooper Rush killed the "we don't have a good roster because of our FO" narrative that you guys love to use to downplay the importance of the QB position in the NFL.

This is not a "defend Dak" response, but the Cowboys rode their defense to wins in the games Rush started. They held the Bengals, Giants, Commanders, and Rams to 17 points or less in each of Rush's wins in 2022. The one time they did not (Eagles), they lost.

The Cowboys defense could not sustain that level of play the rest of of the way. Rush didn't kill any narrative. He was carried to those wins because in his five starts the Cowboys scored a grand total of nine offensive touchdowns.

A popular anti-Dak narrative is he needs everything around him to work to succeed. So I don't know how the answer to replacing Dak is to do so with a quarterback even more dependent.

 

[Birch_Wood]

The problem is that the same faulty architects are responsible for building the roster.


As much as the overall roster talent has approved, especially since McClay had more say, the Jones have been awful at finding QBs. The three good ones they have had were all luck.

Aikman - purchased the team with the #1 overall pick and Aikman was the obvious #1 overall choice.

Romo - UDFA who would have been cut in 2004 had Quincy Carter not been released for a failed drug test.

Prescott (which half of you hate anyway) - Was a 4th round pick. The Cowboys tried and failed to get Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook in this draft. Prescott only got to play after injuries to Romo and Kellen Moore, as well as Nick Foles choosing to be a back-up in Kansas City over taking the starting job in Dallas.


So, the guys picking the next QB are the same guys who CHOSE the likes of Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, and tried (and failed) to spend draft capital on Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook.

I didn't realize Nick Foles was ever offered the starting job in Dallas?

 

[ghst187]

Didn’t take GB long to transition from franchise qb to franchise QB to get another franchise QB…

 

[FVSTONE]

Yeah, you’re one of those guys who just want Dak gone. You could care less about winning. There’s a few of your types here who are praying for a 0-17 season.

Ha-ha........ Nope, you got you post all wrong! There's nothing more than I'd like to see the Cowboys repeat or better the 12-5 record they had last season, but it has to be with a different QB. Prescot has proven over and over and over and over again that he cannot be trusted in games against average teams, let alone the 9ers or Buffalos or the Packers of the NFL. Mr MIA has to go.....now!

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Alternative: Repeat mediocre or worse for the entirety of Dak's career here and then have 10-15 years of .500 football when he is gone. We've seen his Ceiling. He isn't getting any better. The team around him won't get any better. Why expect him to go further then?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This is not a "defend Dak" response, but the Cowboys rode their defense to wins in the games Rush started. They held the Bengals, Giants, Commanders, and Rams to 17 points or less in each of Rush's wins in 2022. The one time they did not (Eagles), they lost.

The Cowboys defense could not sustain that level of play the rest of of the way. Rush didn't kill any narrative. He was carried to those wins because in his five starts the Cowboys scored a grand total of nine offensive touchdowns.

A popular anti-Dak narrative is he needs everything around him to work to succeed. So I don't know how the answer to replacing Dak is to do so with a quarterback even more dependent.

Do you think Dak coming back and throwing INTS at a fast enough rate to end the season as the NFL leader in INTS despite missing 5 games had anything to do with the defense playing worse?

I assume that more offensive possessions for the opponents combined with better field position from turnovers from Dak didn't help the defense out any, right?

Why people seem to just ignore Rush's protection of the ball and sustaining of drives helping the defense is beyond me.

Then act like the defense magically just started to suck when Dak returned as if there's not reasons for it.

 

[Whyjerry]

10 to 15 years is an eternity in the NFL. Hard to predict anything that far out. Here is my view:

Extend Dak and you are looking at 5 seasons of 9+ wins with little hope of winning anything.

Let Dak walk and you are looking at 2/3 seasons of major uncertainty with double digit losses nearly guaranteed.

Lance??? Who the heck knows. Could be great. Could be a nothing burger. No one knows.

Top QB draft pick 2/3 years away. Probably but major pain during that uncertain period.

The Jones family will continue to haunt this franchise and it does not matter who the coach is.

Tough roads ahead boys and girls.

 

[gimmesix]

Cooper Rush went 5-1 with Dak's roster. Cooper Rush was released and nobody wanted him. Cooper Rush is a bonafide bum.

Cooper Rush killed the "we don't have a good roster because of our FO" narrative that you guys love to use to downplay the importance of the QB position in the NFL.

And Cooper Rush failed miserably when we went up against a good team (the Eagles) because he is a bona fide bum and the rest of the team was not good enough to carry him, while it had been against other not-great teams. Our playoff failures have not been all about the quarterback. Yes, they've contributed at times, but at other times, they were good enough but other parts of the team were not. You are hyperfocused on one position out of 22 on the field. It is an important position but it does not get to Super Bowls by itself.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

And Cooper Rush failed miserably when we went up against a good team (the Eagles) because he is a bona fide bum and the rest of the team was not good enough to carry him, while it had been against other not-great teams. Our playoff failures have not been all about the quarterback. Yes, they've contributed at times, but at other times, they were good enough but other parts of the team were not. You are hyperfocused on one position out of 22 on the field. It is an important position but it does not get to Super Bowls by itself.

Dak fans tend to do all they can to downplay just how much bad QB play loses games, especially in the playoffs.

It's cool. Enjoy your last season of Dak.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Do you think Dak coming back and throwing INTS at a fast enough rate to end the season as the NFL leader in INTS despite missing 5 games had anything to do with the defense playing worse?

I assume that more offensive possessions for the opponents combined with better field position from turnovers from Dak didn't help the defense out any, right?

Why people seem to just ignore Rush's protection of the ball and sustaining of drives helping the defense is beyond me.

Then act like the defense magically just started to suck when Dak returned as if there's not reasons for it.

What the Cowboys did the first month of the 2022 season was something no Cowboys defense did over any month to start a season in team history.

As much as some people want to make it all about one player, this team has a lot of issues when it matters most. Yes, Dak is part of the problem. But he is not the only problem.

 

[Captain-Crash]

his teammates know he's a choker, they're not blind.

 

[tunahelper]

Meh. Roll the dice anyway.

The Dak leaving us nareative doesn't worry me in the least. If staus quo gets you one and done at best annually we need to try something else. The Dak era has proven fruitless for winning big in the playoffs. While Dak doesn't suck he is not the franchise QB we hoped he would become. Why continue paying him hoping the narrative will change?

 

[Wildcat711]

Possible 10-15 years.. lol.. anything is possible.. I could win the lottery.. but something tells me I probably won't.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

What the Cowboys did the first month of the 2022 season was something no Cowboys defense did over any month to start a season in team history.

As much as some people want to make it all about one player, this team has a lot of issues when it matters most. Yes, Dak is part of the problem. But he is not the only problem.

When your QB is part of the problem then he is the problem.

He is the most important and highest paid player on the team.

You can have a problem at QB for much less money that will bring you just as much success.

 

[Floatyworm]

QB’s don’t grow on trees. No matter what you think of Dak, he‘s not the reason for not having much playoff success. He was 2nd in NFL MVP race for a reason. He’s that good. Once he’s gone, it could possibly be years before they break .500. This is no Chicago Bears defense in the making not with massive holes at DT and LB. Mahomes and Brady are generational type players. Picking a QB in the draft is a 50/50 crap shoot AT BEST. So many 1st round busts at that position. Casual fans don’t understand that and want Dak gone NOW. But ask them who’s going to be the QB? They think anyone they draft will be the answer right away. Not likely to happen.

I hope Dak gets extended because I know he gives the team the best chance of winning the Super Bowl. I just hope it’s a team friendly extension. Fix the running game and get a defense that can stop the run and he can easily lead this team to the Super Bowl.

I'm so sure he's not the savior....I would trade for Zack Wilson....and hope for the best.

 

[gimmesix]

Dak fans tend to do all they can to downplay just how much bad QB play loses games, especially in the playoffs.

It's cool. Enjoy your last season of Dak.

I'm not a Dak fan. I'm fine with moving on from him and trying to get better at the position, just like I am with any position. I'm a realistic fan. Realistic fans understand it's not all him. Realistic fans understand the last 30 years have happened more because of who is running this team rather than any one individual player. I don't like to get in the middle of the Dak trolls or the Dak fanatics because the argument is stupid, trying to boil a team game down to putting an inordinate amount of blame on one player.

I hope it really boils your blood when they extend him. Won't bother me a bit if they don't.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Did you really just this? Like teams haven’t drafted QB’s and been competitive. Heck the eagles drafted 3 of them, The lions/rams traded 1 for another. The Seahawks rolled with Geno Smith.

What a ridiculous thread. Have another beer.