Possible cap hits for trades and/or releases

Sandyf

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Cap hits for players that could be traded or released:
*pb = prorated bonus charge
*08 sal = 2008 salary

Roy Williams - pb $5,340,000 - 08 sal $3,720,000 = hit $1,620,000

Jason Ferguson - pb $1,800,000 - 08 sal $4,000,000 = add $2,200,000

Bobby Carpenter - pb $4,500,000 - 08 sal $590,000 = hit $3,900,000

Marcus Spears - pb $4,020,000 - 08 sal $602,500 = hit $3,417,500

Terry Glenn - pb $4,950,000 - 08 sal $1,740,000 = hit $3,210,000

I got the salaries from the nflpa.org and the bonuses from the original contract. Now, some of the bonus money could have had more paid up front in any one year lowering that amount.

If Glenn retires after June 1st the hit would change or it is possible that Glenn stays on the team another year and they rework his contract since he has a salary hit of $2,000,000 in 2009 and $4,950,000 in 2010. So it means they could extend the contract giving him say a 5 year deal with the money not changing although he would get a little up front but lower the cap number the next couple of years. Something like give him $1,000,000 in bonus extend the contract two years with 2012 being a huge salary and 2008 and 2009 being minimum veteran salary but you spread the numbers so his cap hit would be something like $1,900,000 for 2008 and $2,200,00 for 2009. His cap hit for 2008 is currently $3,390,000.

Trading any of those players is going to effect what we do in free agency.

If we really are going to trade Carpenter and Spears, leads me to believe that we are also going to rework a few contracts.
 

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Roy Williams cap hit would be higher cause you don't get out with just the pro-rated bonus from this year. You have to pay the pro-rated amount for the remainder of his contract. That is why trades like that don't happen. If you could just get out of the bonus, by trading, then lots of guys would get traded to avoid being paid.

It's been reported on Cowboys.com by Mickey more than once that the cap hit would be more like 7-8 million for 08 if you trade Williams.
 

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Got the numbers from the nflpa.org so in this case I think Mickey is wrong, not like he hasn't been wrong before.

Roy's prorated bonus is $1,780,000 per year for the next three years supposedly.

Probably need AdamJT inputs, his numbers seem to be the only ones that are truly correct.
 

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Sandyf;1943461 said:
Got the numbers from the nflpa.org so in this case I think Mickey is wrong, not like he hasn't been wrong before.

Roy's prorated bonus is $1,780,000 per year for the next three years supposedly.

Probably need AdamJT inputs, his numbers seem to be the only ones that are truly correct.

Adam has already confirmed it would cost 7 mil to trade Roy.
 

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That rule is ludicrous and stymies trades which create further interest in the sport and help players get out of situations they no longer want to be in. I just don't get why they can't simply use a hybrid of the NBA's model of salary for salary within 25%. As long as both teams remain under the cap, why shouldn't they be able to deal more freely?
 

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Yeagermeister;1943463 said:
Adam has already confirmed it would cost 7 mil to trade Roy.


Yeah I'd seen that Adam had made that comment as well cause you have to eat the pro-rated signing bonus. All the team that you trade Roy to, takes over, is his base salary. So it's about 7 million to move Roy which is why it's not going to happen.
 

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Roy Williams' bonus charge would be $6.66 million. Keeping Roy would only cost about $5.9 million.

Terry Glenn's contract didn't have any guaranteed money that would count against the 2008 cap. So cutting him would just result in the $1.7 million going off the cap.

You can't look at it like you're looking at it. You have to ask, what would the cost be of cutting them vs. what would the cost be of keeping them?
 

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Which I think is very likely to happen with Glenn. I guess it depends on how sold the team is that he can get back to 100% before the start of the year.
 

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Oh_Canada;1943473 said:
That rule is ludicrous and stymies trades which create further interest in the sport and help players get out of situations they no longer want to be in. I just don't get why they can't simply use a hybrid of the NBA's model of salary for salary within 25%. As long as both teams remain under the cap, why shouldn't they be able to deal more freely?

In the next CBA, maybe a majority of the people will want this rule (salary cap implications) negotiated out so that trades aren't so prohibitive.
 

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theogt;1943497 said:
Roy Williams' bonus charge would be $6.66 million. Keeping Roy would only cost about $5.9 million.

Terry Glenn's contract didn't have any guaranteed money that would count against the 2008 cap. So cutting him would just result in the $1.7 million going off the cap.

You can't look at it like you're looking at it. You have to ask, what would the cost be of cutting them vs. what would the cost be of keeping them?


True.

And to add... I believe cutting Ferguson would have a similar effect of taking a little over 2 million off the cap as well.
 

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montgod;1943583 said:
True.

And to add... I believe cutting Ferguson would have a similar effect of taking a little over 2 million off the cap as well.
Cutting Ferguson would cost $3.25 million against the cap and keeping him would cost $5.625 million against the cap, meaning we'd save $2.375 million by cutting him.
 

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Roy Williams is going nowhere!

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theogt;1943497 said:
Roy Williams' bonus charge would be $6.66 million. Keeping Roy would only cost about $5.9 million.

Terry Glenn's contract didn't have any guaranteed money that would count against the 2008 cap. So cutting him would just result in the $1.7 million going off the cap.

You can't look at it like you're looking at it. You have to ask, what would the cost be of cutting them vs. what would the cost be of keeping them?

This is what I thought I saw reported. Meaning cutting or trading RW only adds $700,000 to the cap as it stands right now.
 

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Only an extra 700,000 on top of the nearly 6 million it would already cost to keep him which is why it wont happen.

Then you're putting out the 6+ million on your cap (knocking that 14+, nearly 15 I guess) to under ten and then you've got to go find another guy to pay to replace his roster spot.

This is why he won't be traded or cut and why people need to just simply understand that fact and live with it.
 

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I could see that happening if they're 100% sold on Ratliff and Tank at the DT spot and just bringing in a 3rd body to rotate.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1943611 said:
I could see that happening if they're 100% sold on Ratliff and Tank at the DT spot and just bringing in a 3rd body to rotate.


Each could reduce their salaries and stay on the roster, which is possible.
 

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Well Tank can't really reduce his. He's in here for dirt cheap and they just resigned Jay a month or so ago to a new 5 year deal. I doubt he's going to reduce his at this point.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1943606 said:
Buh-bye Fergy and T. Glenn!

I think Glenn is gone. I see no reason to jettison Fergy. Guys like that can often play late into their career. If we don't keep him we will definitely need NT in either FA or draft.
 
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