Possible cap hits for trades and/or releases

[TellerMorrow34]

I think you missed his point. He's saying if we cut Fergie, as has been suggested, then you wouldnt have him to be with Tank.

 

[Vintage]

Ferguson. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

What?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well, duh.

Roy actually costs more to cut than it would to keep him.

Ferguson, the opposite holds true. So yeah, its far more logical to cut Ferguson than Roy.

And if one got cut, yeah, Id bet on Ferguson.

But I expect both to be on the roster next year.

My comment wasn't a remark on anything you said. I thought you were for keeping Ferguson? Sorry if I some how got the wrong idea there.

 

[Vintage]

I think you missed his point. He's saying if we cut Ferie, as has been suggested, then you wouldnt have him to be with Tank.

No, no, no.....

Somehow, its too difficult for me to understand...

I like that theory much better....

 

[Vintage]

My comment wasn't a remark on anything you said. I thought you were for keeping Ferguson? Sorry if I some how got the wrong idea there.

No, you did get the right idea.

I thought it was a remark to me about cutting Roy vs Ferguson....I was just saying, yeah, obviously it makes sense to cut Ferguson before Roy....

 

[Hostile]

To all who have not received the memo.



:madden:



One comment on trades. I like to speculate about them as much as anyone, but let's get realistic for just a minute. Here are the last 3 non-draft day trades we have made for players.

2005...Scott Fujita
2004...Quincy Morgan for Antonio Bryant
2004...Keshawn Johnson for Joey Galloway

Yeah buddy, those are some blockbuster deals there.

Welcome to the Salary Cap NFL. The guys on the team that you hate...you're probably stuck with.

Sorry to turn on the cold water.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think you missed his point. He's saying if we cut Ferie, as has been suggested, then you wouldnt have him to be with Tank.

Youre right i did. Sorry Vin.

Hes right. Ratlif is more suited to end and unless were up against the cap our defense is better with Ratliff - Ferg - Canty then any other combination.

Ratliff got pushed around at times. The giants were getting a ton of mileage doing it and i also remember Houcks line doign the same in Miami. Ratliff is good and h can do it but its not ideal and good linemen can take advantage. Ferg is just better at the point of attack.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What?

I came in at the end of the thread and completely misread it. My bad.

 

[Vintage]

Youre right i did. Sorry Vin.

Hes right. Ratlif is more suited to end and unless were up against the cap our defense is better with Ratliff - Ferg - Canty then any other combination.

Ratliff got pushed around at times. The giants were getting a ton of mileage doing it and i also remember Houcks line doign the same in Miami. Ratliff is good and h can do it but its not ideal and good linemen can take advantage. Ferg is just better at the point of attack.

I agree. I think that DL will be better than the one we used this year.

And if Canty continues to improve and Ratliff is a better fit for DE, we should be able to get more push from the DL than last year. And of course, I am hoping our new DL coach is indeed good with technique as reported and can get more from Canty et al next year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Youre right i did. Sorry Vin.

Hes right. Ratlif is more suited to end and unless were up against the cap our defense is better with Ratliff - Ferg - Canty then any other combination.

Ratliff got pushed around at times. The giants were getting a ton of mileage doing it and i also remember Houcks line doign the same in Miami. Ratliff is good and h can do it but its not ideal and good linemen can take advantage. Ferg is just better at the point of attack.

I do agree. Jay is an alright DT, who can do it if we need him to, but he'd be a much better DE, which was his natural position before this season.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree. I think that DL will be better than the one we used this year.

And if Canty continues to improve and Ratliff is a better fit for DE, we should be able to get more push from the DL than last year. And of course, I am hoping our new DL coach is indeed good with technique as reported and can get more from Canty et al next year.

Especially with the way Canty appeared to be coming on stronger there at the end of the year.

 

[Vintage]

I came in at the end of the thread and completely misread it. My bad.

Don't worry.

My reply was tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Vintage]

I do agree. Jay is an alright DT, who can do it if we need him to, but he'd be a much better DE, which was his natural position before this season.

Especially with the way Canty appeared to be coming on stronger there at the end of the year.

Agreed. Ratliff can play NT for us in a pinch and not be a liability, we learned that. Which is good and gives us versatility...

But if Canty is indeed 'turning the corner' and Ratliff can play better at DE than at NT... add to that Ware, and improved Spencer (hopefully), and Ellis, we should be getting good pressure from the edge next year.

I'd like to see something done with the ILB position and then fix CB depth next year... but thats a whole 'nuther debate.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The best thing with Ferguson in there at DT is that when our outside rush is coming, like it does, Fergie should be able to hold the point of attack better than Jay does, cause of his size and strength advantage, thus not allowing those QBs a lane to step up into that they had too many times this year.

 

[Big Dakota]

To all who have not received the memo.



:madden:



One comment on trades. I like to speculate about them as much as anyone, but let's get realistic for just a minute. Here are the last 3 non-draft day trades we have made for players.

2005...Scott Fujita
2004...Quincy Morgan for Antonio Bryant
2004...Keshawn Johnson for Joey Galloway

Yeah buddy, those are some blockbuster deals there.

Welcome to the Salary Cap NFL. The guys on the team that you hate...you're probably stuck with.

Sorry to turn on the cold water.

Yep, all you have to do is pay attention and you can rule out 90% of the players getting traded, and 99.9% of those with big bonuses and multiple years remaining.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree. I think that DL will be better than the one we used this year.

And if Canty continues to improve and Ratliff is a better fit for DE, we should be able to get more push from the DL than last year. And of course, I am hoping our new DL coach is indeed good with technique as reported and can get more from Canty et al next year.

This is another tangent on what is already a tangent but I really think there were changes needed at several positions from a coaching standpoint.

Spagnola and Kitchens couldnt get our TE to run blaock and Garrett comes in and gets it done. That makes me look to other units that are underperforming in certain respects.

Oline: Great pass blocking spotty at best run blocking. Seems a trend with Spagnola that comes from the TEs.

DE: Inconsistent on the pass rush. Would disappear at times.

ILB: Some of the worst coverage ive seen out of LBers ever. Pretty good against the run.

DBs: Out of position a lot. Its not just Roy as Ive seen it from everyone. Watkins struggled with it and Reeves as well. Newman I dont think has played to his potential either.

I guess you could say I dont like how our defensive staff has been working with the players.

Im a bit worried about the oline. I remember Houcks lines being susceptible to the blitz.

I really want to see what happens with LBers coach as Ive been truly uninspired by their performance that last two years.

 

[Vintage]

The best thing with Ferguson in there at DT is that when our outside rush is coming, like it does, Fergie should be able to hold the point of attack better than Jay does, cause of his size and strength advantage, thus not allowing those QBs a lane to step up into that they had too many times this year.

That's a good point...

I also like it when we blitz Ware from the middle too.... that is waaaay too much quickness coming at a C/G...

 

[Hostile]

Yep, all you have to do is pay attention and you can rule out 90% of the players getting traded, and 99.9% of those with big bonuses and multiple years remaining.

Even if you don't pay strict attention to their salaries tell me when the last blockbuster trade in the NFL happened other than Draft day.

Trade trivia site.

http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/Sports/Blockbuster-Trades-NFL-268310.html

I only missed the first one.

 

[Vintage]

This is another tangent on what is already a tangent but I really think there were changes needed at several positions from a coaching standpoint.

Spagnola and Kitchens couldnt get our TE to run blaock and Garrett comes in and gets it done. That makes me look to other units that are underperforming in certain respects.

This is a really good point. Witten really came into his own this year as an all around TE. His blocking was greatly improved. Ditto on Fasano. Although, I think Fasano.....some could probably be attributed to a year of experience/NFL weight training too. But yeah, the TEs were blocking better this year at any rate.

DE: Inconsistent on the pass rush. Would disappear at times.

Def. I am hoping Grantham will help correct this some...and that Canty seem to progress this season..... and as said before, Ratliff at DE with his non stop motor... we should be better on paper with this.

ILB: Some of the worst coverage ive seen out of LBers ever. Pretty good against the run.

I think heading into the season, Wade saw he had two experienced ILBs in James and Ayodele and two inexperienced ILBs in Burnett and Carpenter. And didn't Wade say awhile ago that his plan was to start Carpenter but once he saw Bradie play he knew Bradie needed to start? I will be curious to see what Wade does with Burnett and Carpenter next year and if the other ILB is open for competition.

DBs: Out of position a lot. Its not just Roy as Ive seen it from everyone. Watkins struggled with it and Reeves as well. Newman I dont think has played to his potential either.

I think Newman's problems were injury related....and he is better suited for man coverage than zone to begin with. I hope we use Newman more in man coverage next year. Reeves, well, not much can really be said about that.

Im a bit worried about the oline. I remember Houcks lines being susceptible to the blitz.

The good news is that this OL has done a pretty good job in pass protection to begin with.... its the run game that needs working.

I really want to see what happens with LBers coach as Ive been truly uninspired by their performance that last two years.

Outside of Ware's overall game and Ellis' pass rushing this season, I agree....

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

Roy Williams is going nowhere!

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