possible dallas free agents after 2008 season

[theogt]

Measurements only take you so far if people got by on measurements alone then Robbert Gallery sp? would be an all-star. Burnett can play flat out he has had very strong games for us.

How about actually watching Burnett get flattened in the running game?

 

[Alexander]

How about actually watching Burnett get flattened in the running game?

You mean like we saw Carpenter do last preseason?

 

[theogt]

You mean like we saw Carpenter do last preseason?

No, not at all.

 

[Alexander]

No, not at all.

Oh, you mean worse then. Understood.

 

[theogt]

Oh, you mean worse then. Understood.

No, not at all.

 

[tomson75]

Measurements only take you so far if people got by on measurements alone then Robbert Gallery sp? would be an all-star. Burnett can play flat out he has had very strong games for us.

He's been given FAR more opportunities and has had arguably two games that compare with the two strong games the Carpenter gave us towards the end of 2006. Seeing as how those were basically Carpenter's only real shots at getting playing time on the defense, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he'd have more of them by now if given the same consideration as Burnett.

Burnett is a solid backup. His endearing crowd on the forum, however, overrates him. It will be a battle between the two for the backup spot. My money is on Carpenter.

 

[Alexander]

He's been given FAR more opportunities and has had arguably two games that compare with the two strong games the Carpenter gave us towards the end of 2006. Seeing as how those were basically Carpenter's only real shots at getting playing time on the defense, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he'd have more of them by now if given the same consideration as Burnett.

Burnett is a solid backup. His endearing crowd on the forum, however, overrates him. It will be a battle between the two for the backup spot. My money is on Carpenter.

Oh, so now its a play on the "Bobby's never had a chance" theory.

Wade Phillips is being incredibly kind when he tries to deflect criticism. But when a former first round choice is entering his third season in the league and his value begins and ends as a moderately productive special teams player and his "upside" amounts to being a backup, something is very wrong.

 

[theogt]

Oh, so now its a play on the "Bobby's never had a chance" theory.

Wade Phillips is being incredibly kind when he tries to deflect criticism. But when a former first round choice is entering his third season in the league and his value begins and ends as a moderately productive special teams player and his "upside" amounts to being a backup, something is very wrong.

Who the hell said his upside amounts to being a backup? I guess because you say it, it's true?

Hardly.

 

[Alexander]

Who the hell said his upside amounts to being a backup? I guess because you say it, it's true?

Hardly.

Please inform everyone on how Carpenter is going to take either Bradie James or Zach Thomas' job if everything is equal?

I guess you are right. We are now a concussion or even dizzy spell away from Bobby finally getting his "chance".

 

[tomson75]

Oh, so now its a play on the "Bobby's never had a chance" theory.

That was only in response to what daboys had typed about Burnett. There are ample reasons as to why Carpenter hasn't seen the field. Among those reasons is that he didn't play well, of course, but why? Did he not change positions? More than once? Was he not injured? Obviously the coaches are ready to see what he's got.

Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely.

Has he been given ample opportunities to prove himself? Absolutely not.

 

[tomson75]

Wade Phillips is being incredibly kind when he tries to deflect criticism. But when a former first round choice is entering his third season in the league and his value begins and ends as a moderately productive special teams player and his "upside" amounts to being a backup, something is very wrong.

Who's conjuring up theories now?

Wade Phillips is "deflecting criticism"? Why wasn't he deflecting criticism when he sat Bobby's *** on the bench. When he clearly didn't want him on the field after his poor preseason game.

Why couldn't it just be that Wade was being honest when he said he made a mistake, and that he probably should have given Carpenter more playing time? Why is that so hard to believe?

 

[Alexander]

That was only in response to what daboys had typed about Burnett. There are ample reasons as to why Carpenter hasn't seen the field. Among those reasons is that he didn't play well, of course, but why? Did he not change positions? More than once? Was he not injured? Obviously the coaches are ready to see what he's got.

Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely.

Has he been given ample opportunities to prove himself? Absolutely not.

He's done his part by keeping quiet and settling nicely into his special teams role.

I suppose that is admirable, but it is plain as day to me that he simply hasn't even been motivated to seize what opportunities presented themselves, even if they were limited. He had a strong chance this past preseason and he didn't step up.

I am sorry, but I don't agree with the logjam theory. First of all, the logjam was something we consciously created by drafting Spencer.

I like to think that if he was truly a talent, it would have presented itself by now. In case anyone forgets, this past offseason, he was supposed to be a player we would "make a role for". Perhaps we tried and he couldn't fulfill his end of the bargain. That is the way I see it.

 

[Alexander]

Why couldn't it just be that Wade was being honest when he said he made a mistake, and that he probably should have given Carpenter more playing time? Why is that so hard to believe?

Because I don't believe Wade Phillips is a stupid coach.

He has never been one to not utilize every scrap of talent at his disposal. Go look at his Charger defenses and see even his backups producing.

Marques Harris, Carlos Polk and Stephen Cooper all produced more in 2006 than Carpenter has in two professional seasons.

 

[tomson75]

You are aware that Carpenter was playing with a torn quad during the preseason last year, right? It's a little ore difficult to "step up" while you're injured. He didn't play well at all, that much is evident, but the fact that people like to ignore the fact that he was injured must be terribly frustrating for the guy.

 

[Sandyf]

Actually this should be fairly easy to see and predict. Several factors will be included for each player as well as factors for the Cowboys on cap space and the inpending 2010 non cap year.

m. barber ***
Fairly simple here, the odds are he will sign a new contract prior to training camp closer to what the Cowboys offered and not what Drew R. wanted for him. The selection of Choice didn't help Barber's case and Barber knows that he will expect only money close to what Atlanta gave Turner. It is just posturing at the moment.

s. bowen
Has shown promise and much might depend on how well Dixon does in training camp along with how well Spears does during the season. Spears might be the odd man out at the end of the season in a trade, in fact, if someone is willing to pony up a low 1st or high 2nd for him in training camp it wouldn't surprise me to see him go this year. He is good but you should get the feeling from coaches comments that Bowen and Dixon might be a bit more special and harder working.

k. burnett *
He is the backup inside guy and he will have the chance to win the job at weak inside. Thomas will probably start but everyone knows it is his job to teach and play and he is one hit away from retirement. Best bet is Burnett is offered a five year deal during the season.

c. canty **
He should be resigned either before training camp or during training camp. The Cowboys will sign Barber, Canty and Hamlin as well as extend TO and Newman. TO probably before the season, with Newman signing during the season and possibly Ware also. When Barber, Canty and Hamlin sign it will lower their cap numbers this year as will TO signing a 3 year deal.

m. columbo **
His resigning will depend on how well Free, Marten, and McQuistan do in camp, if there is significant improvement from one or two of them then I could see Columbo walking, if not then I would expect him to resign but for less than Adams, significantly less.

t. curtis
With Witten and now Bennett and the improvement of Rodney Hannah, Curtis will be gone after the year. Actually it wouldn't surprise me to see him traded during training camp. The kid Atchison as a UDFA looks fairly good and will probably make the practice squad. Hannah could beat out Curtis. Not that much difference in the two.

k. hamlin ***
I would look for his resigning sometime in June.

t. johnson *
He is better than most think. If not, we would have drafted a NT during the draft and we didn't get close to doing that. He will be resigned to a contract probably a five year deal for decent money somewhere near Ratliff money.

t. newman ***
Bet is that he will be resigned during the season which will be at least cap friendly the first 3 years of probably a 7 year deal, same for Ware.

e. oglesby
He has one chance to make a great impression in camp or he is gone. With Jenkins and Scandrick along with Ball, there is not much room for him and according to the coaches Butler has made more progress than any of the CBs so shouldn't surprise if Oglesby is history.

t. owens ***
I would bet he gets a 3 year extension although for cap purposes it will be called a 5 year extension. His cap number will go down by over half for the year once it is done.

No one should be surprised at 2010 being an uncapped year and IMO most contracts will be reworked by the Jones to tie up players for a number of years while paying significant bonuses and salaries in 2010 so that when a new CBA is signed Dallas will be in great shape for quite a number of years where salaries and cap numbers are concerned.

 

[aikemirv]

m. barber ***
s. bowen
k. burnett *
c. canty **
m. columbo **
t. curtis
k. hamlin ***
t. johnson *
t. newman ***
e. oglesby
t. owens ***

*** - pro-bowl
** - starter
* - primary backup

Barber - will depend on 3 things - his contracts demands, Felix Jones impact and Tashard Choice developement.

S Bowen- Gone

K Burnett - probably gone but may depend on Carpenter .

Canty - resigned

Columbo - gone - one of these picks has to step up !

T Curtis - gone

K Hamlin - gone unless a deal is done before this season begins

T Johnson - ?????? well see

T Newman - I love Newman but if Jenkins and Scandrick step up then this is going to be a very hard and expensive decision to a CB over 30

Oglesby - ???

Owens - If Jerry cannot get his mits on Roy Williams then TO becomes a must to resign, If Jerry gets Roy then it gives him a bit of leverage on what to do with T.O. I would rather have them both but you there is no way we can afford T.O., Roy Williams WR and Newman under the current cap structure IMO.

 

[theogt]

Please inform everyone on how Carpenter is going to take either Bradie James or Zach Thomas' job if everything is equal?

I guess you are right. We are now a concussion or even dizzy spell away from Bobby finally getting his "chance".

He's not going to take Bradie's job. That's why he's moving to Mo 'backer. He can easily take time away from Thomas because (1) Thomas will not be around for long, (2) Thomas is way past his prime and is not nearly as effective as some think he is, and (3) Thomas' playing time will be limited to guard against injury ecause he is so old.

The fact that they traded away Ayodele and left only a 1 year patch at the position ahead of Carpenter tells me what they think of his long-term ability there.

 

[hendog]

He's done his part by keeping quiet and settling nicely into his special teams role.

I suppose that is admirable, but it is plain as day to me that he simply hasn't even been motivated to seize what opportunities presented themselves, even if they were limited. He had a strong chance this past preseason and he didn't step up.

I am sorry, but I don't agree with the logjam theory. First of all, the logjam was something we consciously created by drafting Spencer.

I like to think that if he was truly a talent, it would have presented itself by now. In case anyone forgets, this past offseason, he was supposed to be a player we would "make a role for". Perhaps we tried and he couldn't fulfill his end of the bargain. That is the way I see it.

San Diego and Miami both let Wes Welker go because he had nothing to offer but special teams. We better be careful for what we wish for with Carpenter.

 

[Alexander]

He's not going to take Bradie's job. That's why he's moving to Mo 'backer. He can easily take time away from Thomas because (1) Thomas will not be around for long, (2) Thomas is way past his prime and is not nearly as effective as some think he is, and (3) Thomas' playing time will be limited to guard against injury ecause he is so old.

The fact that they traded away Ayodele and left only a 1 year patch at the position ahead of Carpenter tells me what they think of his long-term ability there.

Or their flirtations with taking ILB prospects like Beau Bell, Keith Rivers or Jerod Mayo told us that we weren't completely sold either.

I agree that theoretically, he should play a larger role because of Thomas' limitations.

But the trade of Ayodele doesn't give him a seal of approval and is at the most a cautious and half-hearted endorsement.

Eventually, Carpenter himself has to step up and become a player. The excuses are gone.

 

[Alexander]

San Diego and Miami both let Wes Welker go because he had nothing to offer but special teams. We better be careful for what we wish for with Carpenter.

This a strange comparison because Welker didn't cost the Chargers millions and a first round draft choice. I suppose in a primitive way you have a point.

I certainly hope our first round choice doesn't spend three seasons languishing on special teams to just break out elsewhere.