Post-McNabb trade NFCE talk... Kevin Kolb *Merge*

[burmafrd]

Skins O line is a lot worse then Philthy's; McNabb is going to have to run more and evade and those days are behind him. He gets pounded and injured by Game 8. Kolb is inexperienced and unknown; could be good, could be bad. Time will tell.

 

[BourbonBalz]

that could be 8-8. Anyone saying they would rather face mcnabb than campbell is a fool. Again, wacth how shanny puts parts around mcnabb to help him succeed like a consistent running game.

Don't you need good RBs and a good O line to do this? Washington has some NAME RBs right now. The problem is they built their name several years ago. As for their O line? Well.....they're no name stiffs. McNabb will get killed. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

 

[BourbonBalz]

this is the only thing that scares me

If the Foreskins are smart (and we know they ain't), they won't bother drafting a safety. They'd better draft some O linemen if they want Crusty to stay vertical.

 

[Doomsday101]

If the Foreskins are smart (and we know they ain't), they won't bother drafting a safety. They'd better draft some O linemen if they want Crusty to stay vertical.

I would not be surprised to see the skins trade the 4th pick for extra picks and get some O-line help I would also not be shocked if they make a move on Flo on a 2 year contract

 

[BourbonBalz]

The Commanders with Shanahan/McNabb win the first game vs the Cowboys in 2009 and are probably a 9-10 win team with the crazy easy schedule.

The Commanders will fill the huge LT void via the draft (Okung, Bulagua, some trade down who knows) and are clearly upgraded at the QB spot over Campbell and the HC spot over Zorn.

The division stacks up like this for me

Cowboys
Eagles/Commanders
Giants

With the teams finishing within 3 games of each other

You have a very good defense. That's a plus. However, on the flip side, you have NO o line, old washed up running backs, and absolutely no game breakers at the WR spot. McNabb has never been a QB that can consistently move his team downfield. He relies on the big play. You don't have the personnel to make big plays. I see a big problem here for the Skins. You won't be able to protect an aging injury-prone QB and he does not have the weapons to get down field in Washington, which is his game, especially the past couple of years. Again, big problems for the Skins.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't see what's wrong with this thread... It's not about McNabb or the Skins, it's about the new QB for maybe our biggest rival.

I really don't know what to make of Kolb, but my first thought is that we don't know how he'll be under pressure, we don't know how he'll handle adversity when things go wrong in a very tough town, but we do know he'll be a lot harder to get on the ground. That's where McNabb hurt people -- with his ability to break tackles and elude people.

Maybe Fat Andy is right and he'll be an improvement, but it seems to me that odds are against it.

 

[Hostile]

Prior to this trade I would tell you the Eagles were a lot better than the Commanders. I'd say their chances of sweeping them were pretty good. I can't say that now. This trade weakened the Eagles, even if Kolb turns out to be pretty good. If for no other reason than they now face a better Commanders team twice.

I think this move and the hiring of Shanahan makes the Commanders better, but not yet good enough. They have an easier schedule by virtue of the last place finish. From 4 wins to 7 or 8 seems plausible.

I don't think this move impacts the Giants or Cowboys at all though. They know how to prepare for McNabb's strengths already. It still comes down to execution.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Where is Woody's Girl???? She should be able to give an experienced report on Kolb since he played for her college team!

One thing I remember about Kolb in college is that he could get rid of the ball pretty quick and that he was actually somewhat elusive. If he gets all of the offseason reps as the number one QB, the Eagles could end up with much better accuracy in their short passing game.

 

[Joe Realist]

Kolb will be better than McNabb as he is more accurate and has quicker release. The division will be up for grabs and any of the teams can make the playoffs.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Prior to this trade I would tell you the Eagles were a lot better than the Commanders. I'd say their chances of sweeping them were pretty good. I can't say that now. This trade weakened the Eagles, even if Kolb turns out to be pretty good. If for no other reason than they now face a better Commanders team twice.

I think this move and the hiring of Shanahan makes the Commanders better, but not yet good enough. They have an easier schedule by virtue of the last place finish. From 4 wins to 7 or 8 seems plausible.

I don't think this move impacts the Giants or Cowboys at all though. They know how to prepare for McNabb's strengths already. It still comes down to execution.

To be honest though, our schedule is much tougher then last year. We don't get to play the Rams, Lions, Bucs, Panthers and Chiefs (all winless) 5 games in a row. We play the Colts and Texans as opposed to the weak AFC West.

However, the team is much better today. A Shanny/McNabb team sweeps those 5 games last year, and is probably a 10 win team in 2009 with the piss poor schedule.

This year, the team will be in the running for a WC berth, but I think falls short. Going from 4 wins to 8-9 wins should be the expectation. This of course could change based on moves between now and September, which is still a long ways away

The Cowboys to me are still clearly the team to beat, although not nearly as far ahead of the rest of the division as some on this board would like to think. Then the Eagles/Commanders/Giants are within a game of each other. The difference between first place and last place will be no more then 3 games

 

[Hostile]

To be honest though, our schedule is much tougher then last year. We don't get to play the Rams, Lions, Bucs, Panthers and Chiefs (all winless) 5 games in a row. We play the Colts and Texans as opposed to the weak AFC West.

However, the team is much better today. A Shanny/McNabb team sweeps those 5 games last year, and is probably a 10 win team in 2009 with the piss poor schedule.

This year, the team will be in the running for a WC berth, but I think falls short. Going from 4 wins to 8-9 wins should be the expectation. This of course could change based on moves between now and September, which is still a long ways away

The Cowboys to me are still clearly the team to beat, although not nearly as far ahead of the rest of the division as some on this board would like to think. Then the Eagles/Commanders/Giants are within a game of each other. The difference between first place and last place will be no more then 3 games

I don't know man, 9 seems like too many to expect and a WC berth does too. I am not trying to be a hater here, but I still think you are dead last in the NFC East.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't know man, 9 seems like too many to expect and a WC berth does too. I am not trying to be a hater here, but I still think you are dead last in the NFC East.

That may depend on Kolb and how he plays as to who is sitting in last. I know we all love to bag on McNabb but he has done the job for the most part of helping the eagles stay competitive Kolb no one knows how he will respond when the focus is on him as a starter.

 

[Hostile]

That may depend on Kolb and how he plays as to who is sitting in last. I know we all love to bag on McNabb but he has done the job for the most part of helping the eagles stay competitive Kolb no one knows how he will respond when the focus is on him as a starter.

Actually I rarely bag on McNabb except for choking in the post season. I think he's a great QB and always have. He has no OL in Washington and they only have the #4 pick right now to grab a for sure starter. I think they'll still struggle a bit in 2010.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I don't know man, 9 seems like too many to expect and a WC berth does too. I am not trying to be a hater here, but I still think you are dead last in the NFC East.

With this schedule 9 wins is the ceiling. I don't see a WC berth, but the Commanders will be in the hunt in December. Still too many holes to fill on the offense and we have to see how the 3-4 works out.

However if the Dolphins can go from 1-15, to 11-5 in a season, with essentially the same moves (drafting an OT high in the first, bringing in a veteran QB, changing the culture of the team) its not far fetched to see a 5-6 imprvement with MUCH better coaching and better QB play.

Lets all be honest here, Shanahan+McNabb is far superior to Zorn+Campbell

And lets not discount Jr Shanahan either

 

[Hostile]

With this schedule 9 wins is the ceiling. I don't see a WC berth, but the Commanders will be in the hunt in December. Still too many holes to fill on the offense and we have to see how the 3-4 works out.

However if the Dolphins can go from 1-15, to 11-5 in a season, with essentially the same moves (drafting an OT high in the first, bringing in a veteran QB, changing the culture of the team) its not far fetched to see a 5-6 imprvement with MUCH better coaching and better QB play.

Lets all be honest here, Shanahan+McNabb is far superior to Zorn+Campbell

And lets not discount Jr Shanahan either

I agree with that, but let's not lose sight of something here. The 2008 Dolphins also benefited from weak Jets and Bills teams and a Patriots team that lost Tom Brady in week 1.

The NFC East you can't say that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

However if the Dolphins can go from 1-15, to 11-5 in a season, with essentially the same moves (drafting an OT high in the first, bringing in a veteran QB, changing the culture of the team) its not far fetched to see a 5-6 imprvement with MUCH better coaching and better QB play.

But do you have The Triumvirate?

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually I rarely bag on McNabb except for choking in the post season. I think he's a great QB and always have. He has no OL in Washington and they only have the #4 pick right now to grab a for sure starter. I think they'll still struggle a bit in 2010.

I think they go after Flo. They know him well and I think for a couple of season he could help as a stop gap players. You are right they have the #4 I think there is a good chance they use the #4 and trade it for multiple picks to help address some holes they have.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If this move does what I really want we'll see the Eagles go 3-13 every year for the next 10 years and give stupid Eagles fans exactly what they've long deserved for being so ready and willing to move McNabb out of Philly.

 

[Hostile]

If this move does what I really want we'll see the Eagles go 3-13 every year for the next 10 years and give stupid Eagles fans exactly what they've long deserved for being so ready and willing to move McNabb out of Philly.

That would crack me up.

 

[Angus]

I think they go after Flo. They know him well and I think for a couple of season he could help as a stop gap players. You are right they have the #4 I think there is a good chance they use the #4 and trade it for multiple picks to help address some holes they have.

I agree. And the Eagles will be better with Kolb. Those pooh-poohing him remind me of fans from other clubs pooh-poohing Romo when he first got a chance to start.

It's wise to be afraid. Very afraid. And to prepare for the worst. Complacency is the enemy.