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[Clove]

I don't think Young has is the brain to be an NFL QB. This game happens so fast at this level and you have to be able to think fast.

I hope you're prepared to eat crow my friend, since you know so much about a persons ability.

 

[montgod]

You know who would of been a good fit for a backup butI know it would of never happened?

The backup for Micheal VIck..That guy was a slinger.

True Schwab would be ideal, but Atlanta KNOWS they can't let him go especially with Vick always being injured.

Now, if the Titans pick a qb in the first round, Vollek would be a PERFECT addtion in a trade! Hmm...that is probably the best option out there. I hope JJ reads this thread.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I hope you're prepared to eat crow my friend, since you know so much about a persons ability.

Ability is not the only thing that's important with an NFL QB. Ryan Leaf had ability but he had a head full of applesauce. When a guy blows the wonderlic like he did, and from what I understand he took it more than once and had similar results, you cannot function as a productive NFL QB. YOu have to be able to think. Now, if he comes in and plays lights out, I would be more than happy to say I was wrong but I don't want to roll the dice with a high draft pick on something like that.

 

[Murph80]

I can see Jerry bring in Harrington.

 

[montgod]

Ability is not the only thing that's important with an NFL QB. Ryan Leaf had ability but he had a head full of applesauce. When a guy blows the wonderlic like he did, and from what I understand he took it more than once and had similar results, you cannot function as a productive NFL QB. YOu have to be able to think. Now, if he comes in and plays lights out, I would be more than happy to say I was wrong but I don't want to roll the dice with a high draft pick on something like that.

I wouldn't say that the wonderlic is an end all of being a successful qb. However, I don't think that you are basing your opinon on not selecting him in the first round on just that score. His qb intagibles say it all. Yes, he has won and done well in college, but I have to agree with you in saying that I personally wouldn't want the Boys to use a high draft pick on Young either. His throwing motion is awkward and I just don't feel confident in how his transition will be to the next level. Even Vick, who is a big time talent at the QB level as a running QB isn't necessarily exceling to the point of justifying his #1 QB selection at this point. So, if you look at Young who is a lesser player then Vick, imo, then I don't see how he would fit in an offense where being able to make throws is essential.

And like the previous poster said, I wouldn't mind eating crow if he turns out to be a great QB, but I wouldn't want to draft him in the first round at this stage of his development.

 

[tm1119]

I wouldnt mind Harrington in here to back up. Another possibility is Greise. And if worse came to worse we could bring in a guy like Jamie Martin. Or we could bring back Anthony Wright for another term in Big-D.

But i want to draft someone as well. I like Grawboski from Toledo. If we could get him or Whitehurst in the 5th id be happy.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I wouldn't say that the wonderlic is an end all of being a successful qb. However, I don't think that you are basing your opinon on not selecting him in the first round on just that score. His qb intagibles say it all. Yes, he has won and done well in college, but I have to agree with you in saying that I personally wouldn't want the Boys to use a high draft pick on Young either. His throwing motion is awkward and I just don't feel confident in how his transition will be to the next level. Even Vick, who is a big time talent at the QB level as a running QB isn't necessarily exceling to the point of justifying his #1 QB selection at this point. So, if you look at Young who is a lesser player then Vick, imo, then I don't see how he would fit in an offense where being able to make throws is essential.

And like the previous poster said, I wouldn't mind eating crow if he turns out to be a great QB, but I wouldn't want to draft him in the first round at this stage of his development.

Let's put it this way. I think if he were to somehow pull an aron rogers and falls to us in the second round I would take a shot, if I didn't already draft Cutler. But if Cutler were there when we drafted at 18 I would turn over the tables in my house if we passed on him.

And BTW, the other thing I don't like is something you touched on, and that's Young's throwing motion. His release is waaaaaaayyyyy to low. Too many balls getting batted down. He would need major adjustments in the NFL. and when you do things like that it takes a long time to unlearn bad habits.

 

[montgod]

I wouldnt mind Harrington in here to back up. Another possibility is Greise. And if worse came to worse we could bring in a guy like Jamie Martin. Or we could bring back Anthony Wright for another term in Big-D.

But i want to draft someone as well. I like Grawboski from Toledo. If we could get him or Whitehurst in the 5th id be happy.

Sorry, but I would be pissed if Harrington were signed. I just don't think he has "it" as a true NFL qb. Although, he does have experience which is what the Boys currently lack at the backup QB position. I just think that there are much better options then him right now.

As I stated before, I think Volek would be ideal as would Schaub, but I don't think he is available due to Vick's constant injuries. Collins and Griese finish out the list of decent possible backups.

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD I would want A. Wright or Jamie Martin. Sorry, they are terrible. I would rather....yes...I am going to say it....I would rather have freakin Vinnie Testeverde before them! :laugh1:

 

[montgod]

Let's put it this way. I think if he were to somehow pull an aron rogers and falls to us in the second round I would take a shot, if I didn't already draft Cutler. But if Cutler were there when we drafted at 18 I would turn over the tables in my house if we passed on him.

And BTW, the other thing I don't like is something you touched on, and that's Young's throwing motion. His release is waaaaaaayyyyy to low. Too many balls getting batted down. He would need major adjustments in the NFL. and when you do things like that it takes a long time to unlearn bad habits.

I agree with you, but even at 18 I wouldn't want the Boys to draft him. They have too many holes that need to be filled before drafting another project who may or may not pan out at the QB position. Currently, do you think the Boys would rate Young a higher risk then Henson? Probably so even though in most of the fans minds, Henson is done. At 18, go for something you know you can most likely fill for the future like a younger FS, OL, or OLB.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I agree with you, but even at 18 I wouldn't want the Boys to draft him. They have too many holes that need to be filled before drafting another project who may or may not pan out at the QB position. Currently, do you think the Boys would rate Young a higher risk then Henson? Probably so even though in most of the fans minds, Henson is done. At 18, go for something you know you can most likely fill for the future like a younger FS, OL, or OLB.

Are you referring to not drafting Cutler at 18 or Young? Because I would take Cutler at 18 in a heart beat.

And I would think that they would rate Young at much more of a risk because of where he will get drafted. Remember, Henson cost us a thrid rounder. Young would be a first roiund pick so the risk is greater.

 

[tm1119]

Sorry, but I would be pissed if Harrington were signed. I just don't think he has "it" as a true NFL qb. Although, he does have experience which is what the Boys currently lack at the backup QB position. I just think that there are much better options then him right now.

As I stated before, I think Volek would be ideal as would Schaub, but I don't think he is available due to Vick's constant injuries. Collins and Griese finish out the list of decent possible backups.

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD I would want A. Wright or Jamie Martin. Sorry, they are terrible. I would rather....yes...I am going to say it....I would rather have freakin Vinnie Testeverde before them! :laugh1:

we dont need to pay a back up big money or have to trade picks for them. If we trade for either Volek or Schaub well be giving up least a 4th round pick plus paying them more money than they will earn sitting on the bench. we need a safety net not another starter.

 

[montgod]

Are you referring to not drafting Cutler at 18 or Young? Because I would take Cutler at 18 in a heart beat.

And I would think that they would rate Young at much more of a risk because of where he will get drafted. Remember, Henson cost us a thrid rounder. Young would be a first roiund pick so the risk is greater.

Yeah, I was just refering to Young. I wouldn't mind Cutler at 18.

And yes, Henson did cost a third rounder, but looking back to when he first quit football, even he was ranked higher then Young would have been. Which is why I don't think the Boys would or I would hope they wouldn't risk picking a lower ranked player in Young. Again, I understand at this stage, Henson might be cut and ranked lower, but I would think it would be a waste to draft someone that high who is still rated a project or questionable.

 

[montgod]

we dont need to pay a back up big money or have to trade picks for them. If we trade for either Volek or Schaub well be giving up least a 4th round pick plus paying them more money than they will earn sitting on the bench. we need a safety net not another starter.

I don't think with all these trade going on for QB's that Volek would cost a 4th round pick. Maybe a 5th or lower, but I don't see a 4th rounder with his current contract. Remember, Culpepper was had for a 2nd rounder and Ramsey was had for a 6th rounder, Schaub was commanding a 3rd or 4th rounder. Volek should be valued around a 5th round pick imo especially with the Titans trying to keep their cap numbers down knowing they will draft a first round qb.

I see your point in not trading for a qb, but I am telling you, as soon as Bledsoe gets hurt, if he gets hurt, the Boys will be in a world of hurt if there isn't someone to throw the ball and stretch the defenses. So, if you want to be cheap, then don't expect a superbowl run. Volek is instant offense and someone who can really move the chains.

Of course, Collins and Griese are out there, but who would you prefer to be your backup? One of those two or Volek?

Now, if the Boys had drafted right and had a cheap, capable backup, then we wouldn't be discussing trade options but they didn't in regards to the qb position. And who knows, maybe they get someone like that in the draft this year, but do you want to depend on that when you have a team in the wings ready for a superbowl run?

 

[Typhus]

Your dreaming if you think Young or Cutler will be available at 18 , without moving up we wont have a shot at either.

Right now I think Cutler, Leinart, and Young are all top 10 picks.

Why people feel like Young is dropping is beyond me?
He did bad on a Brain Teaser...

#3 Titans Matt Leinart
#4 Jets Jay Cutler/Vince Young

Likely trade working out between the Saints and Jets. If it goes down which makes sense and probably will happen.

#2 Jets Matt Leinart
#3 Titans Vince Young
#7 Raiders Jay Cutler

Even if one of them falls. It'd be Cutler in my opinon there are still teams in the top 10 looking at QB.

Lions for instance.... Mike Martz would probably fall for Cutler's arm.
Cardinals as well.. Ravens and even the Rams need to look at a future gunslinger at pick #11.

 

[DallasCowpoke111]

Somehow, a guy that goes 4-0 against essentially no-name teams, then 0-6 against talent, his Sr year, DOESN'T leave me w/ all much that confidence.

 

[doomsday81]

If Drew could stand up to that beating he took last year then his potential for being lost to injury is very low.

Anybody can tear a knee ligament at anytime even without even being hit. This is a very good thread because I have been thinking about the exact same thing today. Listen, the Cowboys need a capable backup, especially with T.O. now in the mix - even though they needed one before he signed. Say Dallas starts 6-1 and Bledsoe gets hurt and is going to miss the next 6-8 weeks. You need someone who can come in and hold down the fort until he returns. I was a huge Henson backer but anyone wo thinks he can play in the NFL right now is crazy and unless Tony Romo is some kind of incredible find, Dallas will be screwed if Bledsoe gets hurt. I always wondered why teams don't think one step ahead and have a capable backup waiting in the wings. Remember the Bears two years ago when Grossman got hurt and they were so desperate they had to sign Chad Hutchinson and pass him off as a QB? We don't want to be in the same situation they were in.

 

[montgod]

Your dreaming if you think Young or Cutler will be available at 18 , without moving up we wont have a shot at either.

Right now I think Cutler, Leinart, and Young are all top 10 picks.

Why people feel like Young is dropping is beyond me?
He did bad on a Brain Teaser...

#3 Titans Matt Leinart
#4 Jets Jay Cutler/Vince Young

Likely trade working out between the Saints and Jets. If it goes down which makes sense and probably will happen.

#2 Jets Matt Leinart
#3 Titans Vince Young
#7 Raiders Jay Cutler

Even if one of them falls. It'd be Cutler in my opinon there are still teams in the top 10 looking at QB.

Lions for instance.... Mike Martz would probably fall for Cutler's arm.
Cardinals as well.. Ravens and even the Rams need to look at a future gunslinger at pick #11.

I don't see the Rams or Ravens trading up for either. Rams' qb is pretty young and the Ravens coach is too headstrong to admit he made a mistake in trading up and drafting Boller.

The biggest players will be Raiders and Titans at this point.

I am not sure what the Jets will do since they traded for Ramsey and kept their current QB. Their moves could mean they won't draft a QB or it could mean they are just trying to stockpile until they find a real qb.

Same with the Saints. I don't see them moving or trying to get a qb with them signing Brees, but with the way the contract is constructed, they could still be players too.

This will be a crazy draft for sure. I personally would hope the Boys don't get Young, but wouldn't mind Cutler. Young just sounds like too much of a project, but I could be wrong. Why worry this year about it if none of them drop to you and the Boys have so many other needs that need to be upgraded for the future?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Your dreaming if you think Young or Cutler will be available at 18 , without moving up we wont have a shot at either.

Right now I think Cutler, Leinart, and Young are all top 10 picks.

Why people feel like Young is dropping is beyond me?
He did bad on a Brain Teaser...

#3 Titans Matt Leinart
#4 Jets Jay Cutler/Vince Young

Likely trade working out between the Saints and Jets. If it goes down which makes sense and probably will happen.

#2 Jets Matt Leinart
#3 Titans Vince Young
#7 Raiders Jay Cutler

Even if one of them falls. It'd be Cutler in my opinon there are still teams in the top 10 looking at QB.

Lions for instance.... Mike Martz would probably fall for Cutler's arm.
Cardinals as well.. Ravens and even the Rams need to look at a future gunslinger at pick #11.

I didn't say Cutler WOULD fall, I said IF he fell. And I keep going back to the "brain teaser" as you like to call it. If your brain can get teased that badly, it means that the gears don't mesh as quickly as they need to at this level.

 

[Typhus]

I didn't say Cutler WOULD fall, I said IF he fell. And I keep going back to the "brain teaser" as you like to call it. If your brain can get teased that badly, it means that the gears don't mesh as quickly as they need to at this level.

I appreciate what your saying CC, I always have..... but there is a difference between, ie.. corporate intelligence and football smarts.

Young isnt applying for a job on wall street, and he doesnt need to know how to solve a linear equation when he is rolling out.

Sometimes an athlete doesnt need to be on the honor roll to be a great QB,,, just ask Marino.

With Marino scoring a 16 and Henson scoring a 42, I'd say Vince Young doesn't have much to worry about.

It's not at all indicative of how successful a quarterback is going to be.

I'd rather have a proven champion at quarterback who knows how to win football games than an unproven guy with a perfect Wonderlic score any day.

 

[Glenn Carano]

After watching Henson today, there is no way he is an NFL qb in this league any time soon.

First, I seriously have confidence in whoever wins the backup job between Henson and Romo. I'm not kidding.

Second, to say that Henson isn't ready to be an NFL QB any time soon is one thing. But to say it based on his play today is just dumb. You came to that conclusion based on his 11 passes today? That's ridiculous. Give the guy a chance to show you what he has. Lets see if he improves as the season goes along.