Prescott doing more with less

[blueblood70]

This is why he should be considered for MVP. He’s had to lead an offense with no running game.

And at times a very shaky defense like the Seattle game and others I mean he gave them the lead with the Miami game they didn't come through.... There's been problems all around with this team this year and yet they still got the twelve wins so that should give us a lot of confidence.... I mean he's had some really good years some great years but this is probably his best year...

 

[blueblood70]

I disagree. Even look at the Packers. Lamb is the only person we have that can start there.

I don't know what you're talking about are you talking about the wide receiver group because if you're talking about the whole team, I'm pretty sure they'll take some of our group you know like Prescott maybe Ferguson couple of our offensive lineman maybe OSA ,Parsons ,bland diggs etc

they definitely have a better run game than us with Dillon and Jones their offensive line is pretty good the receiving group might be young but it's not bad I don't know I'm thinking cooks could probably take a job over there,

 

[Captain-Crash]

dak.............

 

[starfan1]

dak.............

Welcome back CC

 

[blueblood70]

Romo had HOFamers.

But wait. Didn’t he make average receivers like Mikes Austin, Laurent Robinson, Patrick, Sam Hurd, etc., look good or decent and earn a hefty paycheck?

Anyway. This idea that Dak has no running game, despite being a hyperbole, is a wee bit ignorant of the fact that a WCO relies on a short passing game to compensate for what it lacks in that area, unlike a pro-set one.

We stop making this Romo versus Prescott I mean this gets old that's not what this was for this was Prescott versus the league and Prescott versus himself not Prescott versus Romo we don't need all that nonsense in here...

However the biggest nonsense is that dribble you think that purposely we're having to pass to set up the run game and in fact our run game is pretty bad in my opinion is below average you wanna call it average that's fine but let's go back to all the playoff games all the losses lately how about the Rams and bolt 49ers losses absolutely the offensive line was not physical enough there was no run game I mean you think that mess last year you called that a run game under 3 yards per carry??

In the biggest games we've had problems along the offensive line in the run game and then on defense stopping the run this is not Romo versus Prescott we're talking about having Prescott have to do more with less he does not have the run game that he had as a rookie or that Romo had in 2014 those two seasons we they were great... Both ended the same the defense just couldn't stop anyone same with the 2018 Rams but when you go back to those 49er games they're getting manhandled up front the line cannot block just like this year we've had problems in the games against the better teams the offensive line and the run game just absolutely disappear but then you add in the 14 penalties that they had in 2021 in the playoff game how could you play like that? You go show me any of those playoff games since 2018 and some of the regular season games against the better defensive line and you show me maybe what you've seen in Arizona and that was just Arizona this year they can rush the passer and stop our run with a four man line play zone on the back end which means there's very little room to be open means there's very small windows to throw in if you have time to even find one...

If you can't see that those problems continued into this regular season and that Prescott has had to play better and he's had to carry the team more you know like in the Seattle game.. He's gonna need help we're gonna need a better run game or cover up our run game like Mike McCarthy as you said is using that not by design he's forced to because the run game is pathetic... It's the better defensive lines that make our offense struggle and it's not because of Prescott when you're 1 dimensional and you can play a really dirty zone and only use four man lines and still be effective against our offensive line and run game there's a big problem....

 

[Captain-Crash]

Welcome back CC

ty, been sick, stupid flu or some crap.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't know what you're talking about are you talking about the wide receiver group because if you're talking about the whole team, I'm pretty sure they'll take some of our group you know like Prescott maybe Ferguson couple of our offensive lineman maybe OSA ,Parsons ,bland diggs etc

they definitely have a better run game than us with Dillon and Jones their offensive line is pretty good the receiving group might be young but it's not bad I don't know I'm thinking cooks could probably take a job over there,

They have Tucker Kraft and Musgrave at tight end lol.

I’m talking offense. Packers have a goood team don’t let these guys fool you.

 

[starfan1]

ty, been sick, stupid flu or some crap.

Sorry to hear perhaps the boys will help you heal with a couple 2 or 3 wins

 

[Captain-Crash]

Sorry to hear perhaps the boys will help you heal with a couple 2 or 3 wins

sounds good brother.

 

[SultanOfSix]

We stop making this Romo versus Prescott I mean this gets old that's not what this was for this was Prescott versus the league and Prescott versus himself not Prescott versus Romo we don't need all that nonsense in here...

However the biggest nonsense is that dribble you think that purposely we're having to pass to set up the run game and in fact our run game is pretty bad in my opinion is below average you wanna call it average that's fine but let's go back to all the playoff games all the losses lately how about the Rams and bolt 49ers losses absolutely the offensive line was not physical enough there was no run game I mean you think that mess last year you called that a run game under 3 yards per carry??

In the biggest games we've had problems along the offensive line in the run game and then on defense stopping the run this is not Romo versus Prescott we're talking about having Prescott have to do more with less he does not have the run game that he had as a rookie or that Romo had in 2014 those two seasons we they were great... Both ended the same the defense just couldn't stop anyone same with the 2018 Rams but when you go back to those 49er games they're getting manhandled up front the line cannot block just like this year we've had problems in the games against the better teams the offensive line and the run game just absolutely disappear but then you add in the 14 penalties that they had in 2021 in the playoff game how could you play like that? You go show me any of those playoff games since 2018 and some of the regular season games against the better defensive line and you show me maybe what you've seen in Arizona and that was just Arizona this year they can rush the passer and stop our run with a four man line play zone on the back end which means there's very little room to be open means there's very small windows to throw in if you have time to even find one...

If you can't see that those problems continued into this regular season and that Prescott has had to play better and he's had to carry the team more you know like in the Seattle game.. He's gonna need help we're gonna need a better run game or cover up our run game like Mike McCarthy as you said is using that not by design he's forced to because the run game is pathetic... It's the better defensive lines that make our offense struggle and it's not because of Prescott when you're 1 dimensional and you can play a really dirty zone and only use four man lines and still be effective against our offensive line and run game there's a big problem....

Dude, I’m not going to read all that crap. First of all, saying things about two different QBs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re comparing them. Second of all, I pointed out a GENERAL fact about a WCO scheme in that it is not as reliant on the running game for its success as other schemes are.

 

[kramskoi]

Dude, I’m not going to read all that crap. First of all, saying things about two different QBs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re comparing them. Second of all, I pointed out a GENERAL fact about a WCO scheme in that it is not as reliant on the running game for its success as other schemes are.

But you can't deny that Rodgers still only made it to ONE Superbowl with the WCO. He may have been better served by a stronger running game, like the 49ers had with Roger Craig back in the day. In 1984, for example, Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig combined for 2465 rushing yards (4.6 yds/carry and 154 yd/game). Arguably one of the best teams (15-1) ever assembled in league history. In 1988, they had over 2500 rushing yards on the year...ending in a third Superbowl for Walsh.

The craziest thing about Aaron Rodgers is that ALL of his most notable accolades (MVP, TD leader, Pro-bowl, Passer rating leader) were absent from his Superbowl winning season in 2010. He was just a JAG that year.

 

[NFCBeasts]

2016

QBR......PAA................ EPA.....PASS.....rush = 499/2396/4.8/149.8

77.6

53.1

572

102.5

71.1

18.8

-10.5

2.1

78.8

2017.....................................................................480/2170/4.5/135.6

70.0

36.6

622

79.7

49.4

24.4

-11.7

5.9

69.7

2019.....................................................................449/2153/4.8/134.6

71.9

48.1

690

93.1

70.7

10.0

-9.7

2.6

72.8

2021.....................................................................473/2119/4.5/124.6

60.5

27.5

721

85.8

90.2

-7.7

-10.7

3.4

63.2

2023.....................................................................468/1920/4.1/112.9

72.6

57.0

724

106.7

91.6

10.6

-16.3

4.5

75.3

Statistically...Prescott's best season since becoming the starter. The running game is the weakest he has ever had. The 2023 numbers are good enough to reach the Superbowl. However, other factors that will affect the final outcome are:

1. Getting more from Luepke (blocking), Dowdle and Pollard in the run game. They did just that against the Commanders.
2. Getting better play from the linebacker group against the run. The return of Hankins should help.
3. Good protection from the o-line. TJ Bass has shown some skills if there are problems at guard.

The stars are more aligned now than they've ever been since 1995. Not sure if they have what it takes to knock out the 49ers but they should at least get the chance to find out. If this team had 2016 Zeke, it would be a no-brainer.

cool !!!!

 

[blueblood70]

They have Tucker Kraft and Musgrave at tight end lol.

I’m talking offense. Packers have a goood team don’t let these guys fool you.

Don't care about names if you're gonna respond bring in some facts like show me their numbers and how much better they are then Ferguson but hey if you wanna stick up for the Packers maybe I've been talking to the wrong dude maybe I gotta put you on block I mean I can ignore people just drool over another team who squeaked into the playoffs who at home if I can't remember exactly because I didn't watch the game they struggled against the bears to put up what 17 points in a game that they absolutely had to have... I could be wrong maybe they played it on the road and I just don't remember it either way it was a close out game against pretty much a bad team and they didn't look great and looking at all the stat lines both on offense and defense it looks like all a House of Cards it literally played against a lot of soft teams gave up a lot of points a lot of yards come up with some wins yes they're seven and two down the stretch they can be dangerous but man people are talking about them like they are the 2014 Packers or worse the 2010 Packers....

Like the famous saying used to go

come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jarntt]

More with less? That doesn't make any sense. Dak is having an amazing season and IMO is the MVP. If he plays like this for the rest of his career we will always be in the mix. But, to say he is doing more with less is just way off base. He has one of the best offensive players in the game at WR plus a good #2 WR, two HOFers and a potential All Pro on the OL and the running game you try and pin it all on is still inside the top half of the league in rushing yards per game. Now throw in the #5 defense in the league and this is a very well rounded team. Dak is absolutely doing more, but he is not doing more with less

 

[blueblood70]

They have Tucker Kraft and Musgrave at tight end lol.

I’m talking offense. Packers have a goood team don’t let these guys fool you.

They have Tucker Kraft and Musgrave at tight end lol. I’m talking offense. Packers have a goood team don’t let these guys fool you. kraft 31-355 2 tds musgrave 34-352 1td , Furgy 71-761 5tds so our tight end it's better than both their tight ends or equal to that's not even bringing in Schoonmaker and hendershots numbers I think Ferguson fans would be happy to know he's doing the job of two different tight ends for the other team that you claim are better I think our tight end room is better or equal why wouldn't you want the one dude that can put up the numbers where you have to have to do it ohh and he has more touchdowns than both of them together...ironic huh how about the kickers I mean should we just go through and break this all down so our own fans are not overrating the team we're about to see.

 

[Jarntt]

ty, been sick, stupid flu or some crap.

A lot of people MIA. I hear the Eagle flu is going around...

 

[blueblood70]

Dude, I’m not going to read all that crap. First of all, saying things about two different QBs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re comparing them. Second of all, I pointed out a GENERAL fact about a WCO scheme in that it is not as reliant on the running game for its success as other schemes are.

And I'm telling you that you're trying to give this team a pass for not being able to run the ball this is not by design I know what the Old West coast offense look like this is the necessity because our offensive line and our run game have not been very productive they've been average I don't care what they do in the passing game to cover it up we still are not a good running team..

If that is that sort enough for you or do I need to give you a color by numbers or connect the dots do you need some crayons I mean seriously dude I understand what the West Coast offense is but I'm telling you right now one of the weakest parts of our team is not being able to run the clock out and run the football in moments and short yardage goal line or clock management and it's forcing Mike McCarthy didn't make decisions in which he's getting criticized for trying to be more aggressive because they can't run the ball effectively since zeke left in these moments the playoffs are a time where you need a stronger run game..

And I'm going to tell you again we have not had that in the last three playoff losses this year it's been shaky at best it's just one of the things that has not been repaired here and if that's all you read I'm sorry but stop making excuses for the type of offense it is...

 

[Captain-Crash]

A lot of people MIA. I hear the Eagle flu is going around...

you an your dak flu.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don't care about names if you're gonna respond bring in some facts like show me their numbers and how much better they are then Ferguson but hey if you wanna stick up for the Packers maybe I've been talking to the wrong dude maybe I gotta put you on block I mean I can ignore people just drool over another team who squeaked into the playoffs who at home if I can't remember exactly because I didn't watch the game they struggled against the bears to put up what 17 points in a game that they absolutely had to have... I could be wrong maybe they played it on the road and I just don't remember it either way it was a close out game against pretty much a bad team and they didn't look great and looking at all the stat lines both on offense and defense it looks like all a House of Cards it literally played against a lot of soft teams gave up a lot of points a lot of yards come up with some wins yes they're seven and two down the stretch they can be dangerous but man people are talking about them like they are the 2014 Packers or worse the 2010 Packers....

Like the famous saying used to go

come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put me on ignore. It’s fine. Trust me. If you get easily offended by me telling you the Packers are good then it’s best to put me on ignore or block me. Maybe you’re not capable of handling the treat yes Packers are good.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

kraft 31-355 2 tds musgrave 34-352 1td , Furgy 71-761 5tds so our tight end it's better than both their tight ends or equal to that's not even bringing in Schoonmaker and hendershots numbers I think Ferguson fans would be happy to know he's doing the job of two different tight ends for the other team that you claim are better I think our tight end room is better or equal why wouldn't you want the one dude that can put up the numbers where you have to have to do it ohh and he has more touchdowns than both of them together...ironic huh how about the kickers I mean should we just go through and break this all down so our own fans are not overrating the team we're about to see.

Go do research and see how many games Musgrave played.