Prescott on George Pickens

[MarcusRock]

Go reread... No wait ..I've learned that's too challenging for some of you here I'll provide it ...

See, you cherry picked one year one obscure stat chosen to prove a false point. In my reply to that I start off saying as long as you keep 2023 on your radar too.

I realize reading comprehension gets in the way of agendas, but please do be better about it, you may actually learn something and grow from it.

Lol. No, I noticed something over a period of years and then did my OWN research to see if it was true, and it was. You were like "No, no, look away, how about this" when it was not the same as I stated and had researched. Then you say:

Dak played poorly last season Im not sure anyone can honestly say he didn't.

So when I posted what I noticed Dak did poorly and used 2024 data to back it up, why'd you go into batspit crazy denial mode and try to switch to a stat you pretended answered what I stated? Who was "trying" something there? Not me. I don't think you even know what the hell you believe.

The 2024 data is the most recent data but it's what I've noticed for years. I'm talking game-changing deep, deep passes and not some 20+ air yards that tell you nothing about how far down field that is if you're passing from 15 yards behind the LOS. That's what you call a TE special.

So for balls that end up 30+ yards beyond the LOS, do you have a pre-packaged stat you didn't research or vet that you can golden retrieve to show Dak actually is good at that? If not, then remain on the sidelines.

 

[nalam]

He's right.

"You put the football anywhere in his vicinity..."

He has a wide catch radius.

Its a great add.

And Dak wants all his WRs to have Wide catch radius as his delivery accuracy is not consistent, Lamb has stone hands and drops too many balls but caught several knowing he would be hammered after. Dont know about Pickens for this aspect.

We can see why Dak is happy, he needs all the help he can get as he is not instinctive QB .

 

[Gambit]

Lol. No, I noticed something over a period of years and then did my OWN research to see if it was true, and it was. You were like "No, no, look away, how about this" when it was not the same as I stated and had researche

You chose 1 year. Over a whole 9 year career. If at all possible, answer that yes or no, you used 1 year, right?

What I offered was a contrast of the year prior, and then his whole career, because you see it's a whole body of work that matters when say someone is good or bad at something, not just 1/9th of what they've put on tape.

You're inability to grasp that shows your agenda. And exposes yourself.

So when I posted what I noticed Dak did poorly and used 2024 data to back it up, why'd you go into batspit crazy denial mode and try to switch to a stat you pretended answered what I stated? Who was "trying" something there? Not me. I don't think you even know what the hell you believe.

Batspit crazy denial? No sir you started with a definitive statement. You made no delineations that it was one year you simply said he is not good at it. Then cherry picked one year and an obscure stat that represents less than 2% of all passes thrown by all QBs.

I showed you stats from previous year and over his career to show you're wrong. Live up to that.

 

[MarcusRock]

You chose 1 year. Over a whole 9 year career. If at all possible, answer that yes or no, you used 1 year, right?

What I offered was a contrast of the year prior, and then his whole career, because you see it's a whole body of work that matters when say someone is good or bad at something, not just 1/9th of what they've put on tape.

You're inability to grasp that shows your agenda. And exposes yourself.

Batspit crazy denial? No sir you started with a definitive statement. You made no delineations that it was one year you simply said he is not good at it. Then cherry picked one year and an obscure stat that represents less than 2% of all passes thrown by all QBs.

I showed you stats from previous year and over his career to show you're wrong. Live up to that.

You offered a contrast with different data than I stated as if it was some retort. It wasn't. It was just some different data. 20+ air yards is way different than a ball traveling 30+ yards beyond the LOS. Mine are almost double the air yards of the knee-jerk, pre-packaged stats you posted. That's because I was talking about throwing bombs. If you're 10 yards behind the LOS and throw 20 air yards to get 10 yards beyond the LOS, is that throwing a bomb downfield? So who has an inability to grasp things (and can't pay attention to boot)? Your data was wrong. It measured what no one was talking about. Intellectual honesty. Remember that? Lol.

So again, I ask, which you didn't answer: Do you have data to show Dak actually is good (or even decent) at what I stated from the top, which is connecting on passes that land 30+ yards beyond the LOS? Yes or no?

 

[gimmesix]

Bingo. Dak's terrified of throwing picks, so his comfort zone is throwing to guys who are wide open and often standing still (hence the endless hook patterns). He doesn't like to through contested balls (not intentionally).

I think he's changed on this some. He threw quite a few jump balls to Gallup, who was good at high-pointing but not great at creating separation.

 

[Hadenough]

This will be a disaster, but it will be fun to watch play out for however many weeks Dak plays.

Dak will get Pickens Hurt just like he did Gallup.

 

[Blast From The Past]

So many cliches. I have a bad feeling about this.

They seem to all start out all warm and fuzzy

 

[Gambit]

You offered a contrast with different data than I stated as if it was some retort. It wasn't. It was just some different data. 20+ air yards is way different than a ball traveling 30+ yards beyond the LOS. Mine are almost double the air yards of the knee-jerk, pre-packaged stats you posted. That's because I was talking about throwing bombs. If you're 10 yards behind the LOS and throw 20 air yards to get 10 yards beyond the LOS, is that throwing a bomb downfield? So who has an inability to grasp things (and can't pay attention to boot)? Your data was wrong. It measured what no one was talking about. Intellectual honesty. Remember that? Lol.

So again, I ask, which you didn't answer: Do you have data to show Dak actually is good (or even decent) at what I stated from the top, which is connecting on passes that land 30+ yards beyond the LOS? Yes or no?

In the 2024 NFL season, Dak Prescott attempted 55 passes of 30 or more yards, completing 28 of them for a completion percentage of 50.9%. These deep throws resulted in 367 yards, 6 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions, with a passer rating of 86.0 on such attempts.

When compared to other quarterbacks, Prescott's deep passing performance places him among the league's top five.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

So many cliches. I have a bad feeling about this.

He's one step away from saying "We're going to run the football, we're going to PLAY defense, we're going to PLAY special teams, and we're going to be tough and smart" That's the all time football cliche that means nothing....but Dakky gets pretty close.

 

[MarcusRock]

In the 2024 NFL season, Dak Prescott attempted 55 passes of 30 or more yards, completing 28 of them for a completion percentage of 50.9%. These deep throws resulted in 367 yards, 6 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions, with a passer rating of 86.0 on such attempts.

When compared to other quarterbacks, Prescott's deep passing performance places him among the league's top five.

Lol. 55, my left foot. I ran the numbers. Where's your link? Again, I'm talking 30 yards beyond the LOS not a play that wound up 30 yards due to YAC or an "air yards" stat.

Link?

 

[MarcusRock]

In the 2024 NFL season, Dak Prescott attempted 55 passes of 30 or more yards, completing 28 of them for a completion percentage of 50.9%. These deep throws resulted in 367 yards, 6 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions, with a passer rating of 86.0 on such attempts.

When compared to other quarterbacks, Prescott's deep passing performance places him among the league's top five.

FRAUD!!!!

Nevermind I found your source. The stats are for when Dak attempts over 30 passes in a game which he did 6 of the 8 games in 2024. Those are Dak's numbers on combined passing attempt 31, 32, 33, etc.

His Attempts in 8 games were: 32, 39, 51, 27, 42, 33, 38, 24
Every pass over 30 totaled: 2, 9, 21, 0, 12, 3, 8, 0 (add them up and they equal 55 attempts)

https://www.nfl.com/players/dak-prescott/stats/situational/

Intellectual Honesty! HAHAHA, you liar.

Hold this L, bro. This is probably the heaviest one I've dished out.

 

[Havic]

Dak talking about Pickens' game is interesting considering that he kind of helped Dez's career come to an end because early on in his career, Prescott didn't like throwing 50/50 balls. He was too cautious a quarterback for that, didn't like taking risks. As Bryant's career was winding down, he became even more of a 50/50 ball receiver because he was never a good route runner and he had lost some of the explosiveness in his legs. Bryant went from a peak of 88-1,320-16 in 2014 (Romo's last healthy year) to 69-838-8 as his best numbers with Prescott. A lot of that had to do with injuries robbing Dez of some of his skills. Some of that had to do with Prescott not being comfortable throwing the ball up for grabs and trusting his receiver to come down with it.

Prescott also could not throw the fade in the redzone like Romo

 

[Spottswoode]

I think he's changed on this some. He threw quite a few jump balls to Gallup, who was good at high-pointing but not great at creating separation.

Interestingly, if you look at Next Gen stats, Dak typically has one of the highest AGG% stats. AGG% is attempts made into tight coverage (defender 1 yard or less from receiver).

His only 2 years with an average AGG% stat was ‘20 & ‘21 when he had CeeDee & Cooper. Last year was his highest at over 21%.

This seems to suggest that he doesn’t only throw to wide open receivers.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2024/REG/all#yards

 

[gimmesix]

Interestingly, if you look at Next Gen stats, Dak typically has one of the highest AGG% stats. AGG% is attempts made into tight coverage (defender 1 yard or less from receiver).

His only 2 years with an average AGG% stat was ‘20 & ‘21 when he had CeeDee & Cooper. Last year was his highest at over 21%.

This seems to suggest that he doesn’t only throw to wide open receivers.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2024/REG/all#yards

I think he was more hesitant when he first started out, which coincided with Dez's decline. That's understandable for a QB that they were probable telling over and over again to protect the ball. It really took him a while to become a quarterback who trusted his receivers to win the ball. I also agree with what was said about the fade not being his best throw early on probably because of that lack of trust.

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott on @dfwticket on WR George Pickens: "We've connected. I'm excited. You turn on the tape, you see a guy that can catch the football. You put the football anywhere in his vicinity, very strong hands. More than a 50/50 catcher. He thinks it's his ball when it's in the air. I'm excited for him. I know we needed some help at that position. ... It's hard to double team two guys. ... I think we're putting together a nice group of weapons."

Dak is terrible in post season but he’s not lying about Pickens .

 

[Spottswoode]

I think he was more hesitant when he first started out, which coincided with Dez's decline. That's understandable for a QB that they were probable telling over and over again to protect the ball. It really took him a while to become a quarterback who trusted his receivers to win the ball. I also agree with what was said about the fade not being his best throw early on probably because of that lack of trust.

This was more about the post you responded to saying Dak only throws to receivers who are wide open. I didn’t respond to that person because I don’t feel like having an argument.

There could be a number of explanations. The stat in isolation doesn’t tell the story.

On the one hand, it could mean the receivers aren’t getting great separation and he is forced to throw into tighter coverage. He did have his lowest % of throws into tight coverage in ‘20 & ‘21 when he had CeeDee, Cooper, and Schultz. His highest % into tight coverage was last year with CeeDee, Tolbert, and Ferguson.

On the other hand, it could mean he is locking in on certain receivers too much OR isn’t going through his progressions OR hasn’t developed the trust. It’s hard to tell. But the stats suggest he throws into tight coverage at a higher rate than most QB’s.

 

[Zekeats]

He just likes the first 4 letters of the last name.

 

[Rockport]

This is an angry thread.