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JordanTaber;2575168 said:
You don't cure diseases by eliminating symptoms: While the symptoms (talking) can be miserable for the sufferer (in this case, the one suffering is the fans on message boards), eliminating said symptoms doesn't cure the root of the problem which is the reason those symptoms are there in the first place.

The root of the problem is losing, and the losing has been the result of a number of different things. None more important than Romo, Roy 11, Witten, and Barber being hurt.
Sorry, you're simply wrong.

Teams waive and suspend players all the time because they become distractions. Including your deity in Philly.
 

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Hostile;2575320 said:
Sorry, you're simply wrong.

Teams waive and suspend players all the time because they become distractions. Including your deity in Philly.

if this is your stance, would u be for the cowboys to get rid of newman? because if im not mistaken, he's done more then enough talking about teammates then anybody the past 3 yrs.

2 yrs ago it was bradie james he talked out, last yr it was the whole front 7. this yr calling out a coward. which was most likely meant for witten?

i see where ur point on this, nobody wants distractions. i just dont buy them distractions coming from owens. id say crayton has done more damage then owens
 

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LatinMind;2575392 said:
i see where ur point on this, nobody wants distractions. i just dont buy them distractions coming from owens. id say crayton has done more damage then owens

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LatinMind;2575392 said:
if this is your stance, would u be for the cowboys to get rid of newman? because if im not mistaken, he's done more then enough talking about teammates then anybody the past 3 yrs.

2 yrs ago it was bradie james he talked out, last yr it was the whole front 7. this yr calling out a coward. which was most likely meant for witten?

i see where ur point on this, nobody wants distractions. i just dont buy them distractions coming from owens. id say crayton has done more damage then owens
No one can compare Owens to Newman in terms of distractions. Come on.

You'd say Crayton has. I wouldn't. No one pays attention to Crayton.

Owens interview with Deion was more damaging and inflammatory than all the examples you used put together. It is the genesis of exactly the kind of stuff that has sunk his ship in the past.
 

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Hostile;2575404 said:
No one can compare Owens to Newman in terms of distractions. Come on.

You'd say Crayton has. I wouldn't. No one pays attention to Crayton.

Owens interview with Deion was more damaging and inflammatory than all the examples you used put together. It is the genesis of exactly the kind of stuff that has sunk his ship in the past.
Hostile is dead on here.

I mean WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT INTERVIEW Owens gave where his buddy Deion gave? It was as PREARRANGED and ignorant as the one where #88 asked TO how the eagles would be playing of Favre, not McNabb was his QB.

In both cases nothing good could come out of it, including for "the player" who came out looking like a the selfish, whiney imbecile that he is.

And as a result here we are today with even Jerry (no doubt) considering how and when to release TO.
 

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Hostile;2575404 said:
No one can compare Owens to Newman in terms of distractions. Come on.

You'd say Crayton has. I wouldn't. No one pays attention to Crayton.

Owens interview with Deion was more damaging and inflammatory than all the examples you used put together. It is the genesis of exactly the kind of stuff that has sunk his ship in the past.

thats the problem, too many people pay too much attention to owens. only thing i do is pay attention to what they do from the start of the game to the end. if 22 guys handle their buisness on the field everything else is nothing. that all start with coaches.

the 90's cowboys were some of the worst kinds of people in sports. drug users gamblers adulterers. but nobody cared because of the field, they couldnt be touched.

im not saying owens hasnt stepped on his toes, but i am saying that getting rid of owens does nothing more then cripple this team evenmore. and to think roy can carry this team and provide romo with somebody who can make a play is wishful thinking. romo couldnt even trust him to convert a 3rd and 2.

without owens teams will simple go back to lining up 8 man against the run.
 

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LatinMind;2575423 said:
thats the problem, too many people pay too much attention to owens. only thing i do is pay attention to what they do from the start of the game to the end. if 22 guys handle their buisness on the field everything else is nothing. that all start with coaches.

the 90's cowboys were some of the worst kinds of people in sports. drug users gamblers adulterers. but nobody cared because of the field, they couldnt be touched.

im not saying owens hasnt stepped on his toes, but i am saying that getting rid of owens does nothing more then cripple this team evenmore. and to think roy can carry this team and provide romo with somebody who can make a play is wishful thinking. romo couldnt even trust him to convert a 3rd and 2.

without owens teams will simple go back to lining up 8 man against the run.
Why would anyone pay more attention to him than other players when all he does is preen for the cameras and spotlight more than anyone else on the team? Curious.

Thomas Henderson was a huge talent. Tom Landry released him rather than continue to see him divide the locker room.

There is too much at stake for Owens to continue running his mouth like he does. On the sidelines I have no issue with it. In front of the media, big issue.

I don't believe teams can stack 8 in the box once Roy Williams knows the Offense.

Like I keep saying, I am open to keeping Owens, but I want him to shut up. It is conditional upon that.
 

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Hostile;2575404 said:
. No one pays attention to Crayton.

Except the New York Giants who used Crayton's quotes as motivation leading up to beating us in the playoffs last year.
 

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Hostile;2575543 said:
Why would anyone pay more attention to him than other players when all he does is preen for the cameras and spotlight more than anyone else on the team? Curious.

Thomas Henderson was a huge talent. Tom Landry released him rather than continue to see him divide the locker room.

There is too much at stake for Owens to continue running his mouth like he does. On the sidelines I have no issue with it. In front of the media, big issue.

I don't believe teams can stack 8 in the box once Roy Williams knows the Offense.

Like I keep saying, I am open to keeping Owens, but I want him to shut up. It is conditional upon that.

Landry carried Henderson for 2 or 3 years as a drug addict who partied non-stop and slept with half of Hollywood in hotels on the road during game weeks. 1+ years after he physically fought with Randy White.

Henderson was far worse than anything Owens has done and that is evident by reading Henderson's book. Landry cut him when he was a shell of himself on the field and he was openly insulting Landry.

Henderson only ever made 1 Pro Bowl. That was in 1977. He was high most of that year and the drugs really took affect as his play declined. He was traded during the 1980 season and totally out of football the next year.
 

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LatinMind;2574752 said:
i just dont see all the talk about owens being cut.

theres plenty wrong with ths team. but it isnt owens.

Owens is a problem, but he isn't going anywhere. He sells tickets and jersey's and that is first and foremost on Jerruh's mind.
 

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Hostile;2575543 said:
Why would anyone pay more attention to him than other players when all he does is preen for the cameras and spotlight more than anyone else on the team? Curious.

Thomas Henderson was a huge talent. Tom Landry released him rather than continue to see him divide the locker room.
i still dont get all this divide the locker room. so its divided because espn wants people to think that?

I don't believe teams can stack 8 in the box once Roy Williams knows the Offense.
i still dont see why its any different now, sure he doesnt know the
entire offense, but he was singled alot because owens and witen got the attention. where was he then?
 

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LatinMind;2575423 said:
thats the problem, too many people pay too much attention to owens.
And when people don't pay attention to Owens, he creates a reason for them to pay attention to him.

He had to give an interview at the end of the year jsut so he could tell everyone he sent a text message to Tony.

So the *** what? How come every time he talks to someone on this team he has to make it a media event?

without owens teams will simple go back to lining up 8 man against the run.


Then why the heck did we give up 3 draft picks for Roy Williams?
 

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wileedog;2575813 said:
Then why the heck did we give up 3 draft picks for Roy Williams?

im sure the cowboys are wondering about that very same thing aswell :lmao2
 

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The way to stop TO and everyone else from talking to the media is to do stop all the players from talking to them. Tell them it hurt the team and takes away time they could be working on the team and themselves.

Jerry won't do that because that just absolutely killed him not to be in the spotlite. He loves it more than TO ever has. If they let Wade me the spokesperson for the club it will help everyone. Boring but then that's the idea.
 

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jobberone;2575938 said:
The way to stop TO and everyone else from talking to the media is to do stop all the players from talking to them. Tell them it hurt the team and takes away time they could be working on the team and themselves.

Jerry won't do that because that just absolutely killed him not to be in the spotlite. He loves it more than TO ever has. If they let Wade me the spokesperson for the club it will help everyone. Boring but then that's the idea.
There is still the reality that the league itself mandates that the players make themselves available to the media during the week and after games. Players meet and speak with the press all the time. That's not the real problem.

The real problem occurs whenever players either subconsciously (e.g. stupidly) or purposely do not self-monitor their own speech with the media concerning:

1) whom (e.g. players, coaches, etc.) is being discussed with the media
2) exactly what particular details are being talked about
3) when and where interviews with the media are taking place; and, most importantly
4) how are the discussions themselves are being presented in context

What's said subconsciously, but aloud into a microphone is one thing. Everyone makes mistakes and it's expected that players sometimes put their foot in their own mouths from time-to-time. Limiting players' ability to speak with the media can help minimize episodes of self-stupidity, but it's another thing entirely to try reining in those players who purposely go out of their way to address the media for a self-anticipated reaction within the media's audience.

The vast majority of players in any sport, team or individual, have always tried not to say or do things publicly which could cast a bad light upon themselves. Sometimes, players get caught in situations or conversations which they really didn't try to get themselves into. However, there will always be a minority of players who intentionally try to place the spotlight directly onto themselves or their surroundings; and some within that same minority will not care one iota whether there are negative connotations as a by-product. Those are the players whom teams should worry most about because, quite frankly, they cannot be "controlled" in any way, form or fashion.

To paraphrase a great movie quote, "Some men aren't motivated by logic or even money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men... just want to watch the world burn."
 

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DallasEast;2576029 said:
There is still the reality that the league itself mandates that the players make themselves available to the media during the week and after games.
There is no mandate on time or what the players say.

I would limit all interviews to 5 minutes maximum and I would not allow players to discuss anything about their teammates outside of praise for a job well done.

Any violation would be a $10,000 fine.
 

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Hostile;2576042 said:
There is no mandate on time or what the players say.

I would limit all interviews to 5 minutes maximum and I would not allow players to discuss anything about their teammates outside of praise for a job well done.

Any violation would be a $10,000 fine.
I wouldn't have any problem with those guidelines, but it would still fall on each player to obey those guidelines. Most would do so willingly, but there will always be a few bad apples in the bunch. Of course, some teams core out their bad apples too. Unfortunately, not all teams practice that same unwritten policy.
 

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Bach;2575627 said:
Owens is a problem, but he isn't going anywhere. He sells tickets and jersey's and that is first and foremost on Jerruh's mind.
not if the home crowds keep booing him.
 

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Hostile;2576042 said:
There is no mandate on time or what the players say.

I would limit all interviews to 5 minutes maximum and I would not allow players to discuss anything about their teammates outside of praise for a job well done.

Any violation would be a $10,000 fine.
But can the PA find any beef with that (the number and size of fines, and justification thereof) and successfully fight it? Or the league and its marriage to the media, which lives for sound bites and exclusives?

Just wondering. It's a nice idea, but the sports world has changed greatly in the last 15 years, and not for the better.

We fans feed this frenzy. It's not just the athletes that need to change their behavior, IMO.
 
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