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I know what you mean, but I get the sense the organization had felt burned a bit by the way he faded away early in each of the last two seasons and, for a change, tried to be proactive in their handling of the matter. I didn't disagree then, and don't today.

In a vacuum, there's no way I'd ever let him go. But in a salary-cap era, with his age and injuries, and some of the expiring contracts we had coming up (Smith, Bryant), I didn't hate the move.

And I still heavily doubt the DeMarcus Ware we're seeing in Denver would be the DeMarcus Ware we'd be seeing here, for the previous reasons stated.

The Cowboys are 6-1 without Ware. What did they win with him? Don't pay attention to people that proclaimed this 2014 defense would be terrible and are now desperately seeking to find some shred of an issue to slam the Cowboys about.
 

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Ratliff is 33, Ware is 32, Hatcher is 32.

Combined 14.5 sacks

Broncos: 5-1
Bears: 3-4
Skins: 2-5
 

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Yeah, guys. Just remember all those times when Ware didn't have success here. A team can only put up with so much.

And Hatcher? Sure he had double digit sacks last year but we needed more and he came up empty.

Time to turn that page and start building our future with George Selvie, Jeremy Mincey and Nick Hayden.

Fruitless response. You actually feel the Cowboys needed to lay out the big bucks on the 30 something crowd so we couldn't have a chance to sign the young ins due over the next 3 seasons? Then a follow up statement ridiculing some of the members of the 14' line. Dallas Cowboys 6-1 and I know you hate it.
 

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Again. Releasing Ware was a move that had to be made for the future of the Cowboys.
We have several free agents that are much more important, in total, than Ware.

It's that simple. A business decision to build our team for the future. Possibly another dynasty.

Ware could've helped us this year. By the looks of the last two years it wasnt worth the gamble.
 

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Obviously he was not starting to slide. He was injured, and had the heart to play injured. He gave his blood guts and tears to this team. He was a great teammate, excellent in the community, and in a bad scheme. Now we have Marinelli, he would've been great here. But, it is what it is, and how fans are quick to turn on our own is why players should not be loyal to this or any franchise. Fans/Owners aren't loyal, so why should players be.

If I'm Dez or any of the top FA on this team, I go to the highest bidder. No loyalty means no loyalty.

Oh please stop it.

It was ware who showed no loyalty first. ******* didn't want to take a pay cut to help this team. He was declining, and injured. He knew damn well he couldn't do it on his own, and with his greedy *** contract, along with Romo, we were handicapped. So what would any smart player do who wants to win? Take a pay cut.

For Example Brady. For example Wade and LeBron.

So stop this loyalty crap, if there was no cap Jerry would gladly give him whatever, just because he was a cowboy.
 

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I see night and day between this years defense and last years. Hell Dallas was 31st in yards per game in 2013, they are 14th this season. 3rd down percentage Dallas ranked 29th in 2013 and 17th this season and main stat Dallas was 26th in points allowed and are 9th this season. This unit is playing much better and they are making big plays at critical times unlike last year. Really do not see what the debate is about last years was the worst in team history this unit is not. There clearly in room for improvement and guys are buying into what Rod wants out of them.
 

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Why wouldn't he be? People act like he's made a career out of disappearing. His last year in Dallas was the only season other than his rookie year where he failed to get double digit sacks.

Why would you expect the exception to his career rule? Doesn't make sense to me. That was a blemish. He's right back terrorizing QBs like he's done his entire career.

Do you know how hard it is to record 10 or more sacks in a season? People have taken this man for granted over the years.

DeMarcus Lawrence should be learning at the feet of Ware this year on how to be an NFL pass rusher. Instead he's being tutored by Jeremy Mincey and George Selvie.

Well he answers you like 3 times. Because he would be used differently here than in Denver. As in not given as much rest in Dallas. That would impact his play negatively as past years demonstrated.

Our future free agents are a higher priority.

Sometimes I feel like you complain a lot.

I'm not sure you should ever be taken seriously.
 

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I see night and day between this years defense and last years. Hell Dallas was 31st in yards per game in 2013, they are 14th this season. 3rd down percentage Dallas ranked 29th in 2013 and 17th this season and main stat Dallas was 26th in points allowed and are 9th this season. This unit is playing much better and they are making big plays at critical times unlike last year. Really do not see what the debate is about last years was the worst in team history this unit is not. There clearly in room for improvement and guys are buying into what Rod wants out of them.

Agreed.

Simply looking at pass rating given up to opposing QB's...

2014 88.5
2013 96.0
2012 94.7

It's improved a great deal EVEN WITH the declining sack number.
 

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You conveniently left off a few names like DLaw, Crawford, Melton......

But then those names don't fit your agenda I suppose.

It's how he rolls. Just like when he came up in the other thread, and claimed to know more than Antrel rolle about what was going on in football and how different our offense is.

He is a Keyboard Banger, trying to fool everyone into believing he is some kind of guru.

He screamed for years that the O-Line should get fixed(Even though little by little is was), then the year they take off, he pounds his chest, and does not want to credit Jerry for the O-line, or the job Linehan is doing, saying it was the O-line.

Had our Line look like crap this year, he would bash Jerry(But does not want to credit him, see how that works?), continue to mock fans and say "I told you guys, O-Line, and get rid of Jerry who loves Corners" and then say Linehan "is a piece of....."
 

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Agreed.

Simply looking at pass rating given up to opposing QB's...

2014 88.5
2013 96.0
2012 94.7

It's improved a great deal EVEN WITH the declining sack number.

Yep, I just see a team who looks a lot better in the fundamentals of tackling I saw several text book tackles vs NY, teams using bubble screens or swing passes? get out of here with that crap our guys are flying in there and making the plays going through blockers and stopping the plays. In critical moments the defense is stepping up and making the big plays as Church did late in the 4th when he stripped the ball loose. Last year in critical moments the defense just allowed teams to march down the field. I see a lot of room for improvement but these guys are hustling and making things happen.
 

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I skimmed that.

Tell me again how a double digit sack season is "poor production".

And exactly how would you define the current production from the collective crap we have at the position now?

Stop looking at stats and watch the games. I can tell you are a stat hunter, and will say whatever it is to back up your claim.

Ken Hamlin, had 5 Ints that 1 season. He was good right? Oh

So If MO comes back, gets beat every game but has 4 ints in those games. Let's look at stats, forget he got beat. Asante Samuel, he got int's, forget he jumps routes and gets burnt.

Ware was over pursuing constantly. RG3 and Morris made a fool of him 2 years ago, kept attacking our big money man, kept taking it to his side, taking advantage of his over aggressiveness and his greedy ways to get a sack.
 

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I think that's complete nonsense and he's proving it to be in Denver. I think I'm talking to a couple guys who want to audition for the team's PR department.

This was a still elite edge rusher and the Cowboys should have shown more patience.

If they can rationalize keeping the abortion that is Brandon Carr on this team they certainly could have and should have done it with Ware.

Odds are you will never see another one like him in your lifetime.

Your act is getting old, everyone is catching up to your cry baby ways.

How does it feel? hahaha

You tried to come off as the smart know it all on here, and hope everyone would follow your lead. You cry to much, and it back fired.

Kiss your chance good bye at being a GM in the NFL. (I know this is what you were auditioning for)
 

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This is funny, WE ALL have been @#$%$#&^ and moaning about Jerry paying too much too soon; or to ageing players not producing for the amount they are being paid. He finally lets someone go and now it's the opposite, we should have kept Ware. For me it's not about what he is providing Denver in the way of sacks it is what he could not provide to a young defensive line here in Dallas. Yeah he may have had his sacks... Provided he actually fit the scheme as a 4-3 DE, but what if he got hurt along the way? Further more he is not of the ilk of these young players, they play with an attitude, how many scuffles has this team been in the past few weeks, 4, 5, a Ware led defense gets punched in the mouth and walks away. Sorry but we have seen it a thousand times, even complained about it, a RoMac led defense fights back, I didn't expect much of this team and even less from the defense this year so I'm on cloud nine right now and I don't think this defense has the identity it has with Ware here. For all we know Marinelli wanted him gone because he understood his fight or flight mentality is flight and he needs fight on his DL. They aren't getting many sacks right now but they are winning the little battles that win the war, and they also aren't allowing QBs to get comfortable in the pocket despite having low sack numbers. Ware is good, he just isn't good for Dallas and when it's all said and done I'd rather have a bunch of no name misfits at 6-1 than a superstar with 7 sacks and be 3-4, or 4-3, or even 5-2.
 

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Well he answers you like 3 times. Because he would be used differently here than in Denver. As in not given as much rest in Dallas. That would impact his play negatively as past years demonstrated.

Our future free agents are a higher priority.

Sometimes I feel like you complain a lot.

I'm not sure you should ever be taken seriously.

His answer isn't sufficient because Ware isn't doing anything in Denver that he hasn't done on a yearly basis in Dallas.

I'm not interested in being taken seriously from the face paint crowd. If that ever happens, I'll have to reassess my stance.
 

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I see. So you define the quality of a pass rusher based on whether his team wins?

This is highly intelligent.

By that logic, Romo is an average to below average QB because he couldn't get us past .500 for the last 3 years. Of course, no one will say that because Romo is still here.

The argument by some that a first ballot hall of famer just didn't do enough in Dallas is insane in and of itself. Why am I not surprised?
 

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His answer isn't sufficient because Ware isn't doing anything in Denver that he hasn't done on a yearly basis in Dallas.

I'm not interested in being taken seriously from the face paint crowd. If that ever happens, I'll have to reassess my stance.

Only babies get what they want when they want it. You got the oline you were crying for. It was an obvious need and was being addressed as you whined. The d line is next.

Ware would have set us back in many ways that you don't have the capability to see. People are trying to teach you but you have to want to learn. :D
 
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