Pro Bowl Defensive Line

[Clove]

Not if he was not producing pal. I don't know of any player who is making a big pay check that fans do not expect production pal. Fans love Aikman but towards the end it did not stop them from booing him. I like Ware would love to have kept him but given the injuries, age and contract if he was not willing to take a cut then Dallas did what was best for the team and Ware did what was best for Ware. I don't blame either.

Ware is producing, is he not? So YOU in particular should NEVER complain about not getting pressure on the QB. Again, and I frankly don't care what Doomsday thinks or anyone else, you try to keep your HOF players if you can. He's still getting the job done, I just wish he was doing it here. Now continue to your internet argument alone.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ware is producing, is he not? So YOU in particular should NEVER complain about not getting pressure on the QB. Again, and I frankly don't care what Doomsday thinks or anyone else, you try to keep your HOF players if you can. He's still getting the job done, I just wish he was doing it here. Now continue to your internet argument alone.

he is now but there are no crystal balls you go by what you are seeing you go by the fact of injuries he has been dealing with. Colts did the same with Peyton was it wrong? Maybe in some peoples eyes yet Colts have Luck and are building a new future. Would have loved to keep him but with the contract and health concerns it was a gamble not worth taking. How you feel about me that I really do not care frankly there are a lot of Cowboy fans who are not worth dirt their support is no more than fair weather fans who constant rip the team.

 

[casmith07]

I think that's complete nonsense and he's proving it to be in Denver. I think I'm talking to a couple guys who want to audition for the team's PR department.

This was a still elite edge rusher and the Cowboys should have shown more patience.

If they can rationalize keeping the abortion that is Brandon Carr on this team they certainly could have and should have done it with Ware.

Odds are you will never see another one like him in your lifetime.

I think most of the stuff you post is a load of garbage, but I think you'll be able to read my sig and we could have one of those eye-to-eye "man moments" with a head nod where two enemies agree.

 

[gimmesix]

Exactly.

Even if Spencer is back 100% the chances that he'll be here next year, in addition to his age/medical concerns make it pretty risky to rely on him to play opposite of Lawrence come next season.

Right now this defense reminds me of the '91 team, that beat the Bears in the playoffs but lost at Detroit because of secondary issues (Ike Holt) and the lack of a pass rush.

The good news is it looks like it might not be far away.

The corners are possibly set thanks to Scandrick coming on to make up for the failure of Claiborne (so far) and Moore proving to be a solid nickel. I don't think Dallas gets rid of Carr because that would just be one more major gap to fill and he's better than some give him credit for being. Depth is needed, though, especially if Claiborne craps out next preseason.

The safety position might be set, but I'm not 100 percent sold on Wilcox yet.

The linebackers could be a great group if we retain McClain and either Carter or Durant (would prefer both naturally) to pair with Lee.

The line, of course, was the biggest question mark coming into the season and still is. It appears that Crawford is a player, which means we don't have to overly address the 3-tech even if we don't retain Melton. The 1-tech might be all right for another year with Hayden, McClain and possibly Brent, although I'd love to upgrade that bunch. Strongside ends has some good rotation guys in Selvie and Spencer, but needs a star, and weakside end needs depend a lot on Lawrence. Mincey's another good rotation player, but we need more of a pass rush on a regular basis than he can provide.

So to sum up: We've got one star (Crawford), one possible star (Lawrence) and a bunch of rotation players, with Spencer and Melton possibly still having it in them to be more than that for the short term.

 

[Doc50]

Obviously he was not starting to slide. He was injured, and had the heart to play injured. He gave his blood guts and tears to this team. He was a great teammate, excellent in the community, and in a bad scheme. Now we have Marinelli, he would've been great here. But, it is what it is, and how fans are quick to turn on our own is why players should not be loyal to this or any franchise. Fans/Owners aren't loyal, so why should players be.

If I'm Dez or any of the top FA on this team, I go to the highest bidder. No loyalty means no loyalty.

This is not exactly accurate.

Jerry has been loyal to a fault in the past, frequently paying more than market value to members of his "football family".

'Boys had extensive contract discussions with Ware, and of course knew he was dinged up, but had significant reasonable financial plans for him.

He chose to move on, not only to the highest bidder, but to the best chance for a championship.

Remember, Emmett bolted, too -- players with mileage can stay at 100% in their minds, but you'd rather err on the conservative side and let them walk a year early rather than a year late, when their bodies are at 80% and they're getting elite wages.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It might be hard to acknowledge that when they have success elsewhere, but remember when we needed them to have success here, they didn't.

Ware didn't have success last year, but to suggest when we needed him any other year, he wasn't sucessful, makes no sense. It's like saying Tony Romo wasn't successful the last 3 seasons. He was, the team just didn't accomplish what it could have due to poor play in other areas.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

One of those two seasons of poor production was a double digit sack season.

Amazing.

This.

Double digit sacks, double digit pressures, played his *** off, even while hurt. If some of these fans did half as much efforts at their jobs they'd be employee of the year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I did qualify my statement by stating that fairness might not be at play in Ware's situation. He could have helped this team but it's a moot point.

And, I do agree that Ware is a one-in-a-lifetime talent but I disagree that he is still elite. Good, but not elite. If he ends up with 12-plus sacks at the end of the season, I'll humbly retract my statement.

So if he gets 5 more sacks in the next 9 or 10 more games for the Broncos you're going to retract?

Coming off a game where he just added 3 more to the year I'm going to guess he's probably not going to have much trouble adding 5 more the rest of the way.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

So if he gets 5 more sacks in the next 9 or 10 more games for the Broncos you're going to retract?

Coming off a game where he just added 3 more to the year I'm going to guess he's probably not going to have much trouble adding 5 more the rest of the way.

Be my guest; guess away. But yes, I will retract. ; )

 

[Galian Beast]

Ware didn't have success last year, but to suggest when we needed him any other year, he wasn't sucessful, makes no sense. It's like saying Tony Romo wasn't successful the last 3 seasons. He was, the team just didn't accomplish what it could have due to poor play in other areas.

Please look up Ware's splits and Tony Romo's splits. That isn't true at all.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Please look up Ware's splits and Tony Romo's splits. That isn't true at all.

So are you suggesting that Ware wasn't successful here? Because I don't need to look up splits to know that he was and anyone who knows anything about football shouldn't either.

 

[BAT]

he is now but there are no crystal balls you go by what you are seeing you go by the fact of injuries he has been dealing with. Colts did the same with Peyton was it wrong? Maybe in some peoples eyes yet Colts have Luck and are building a new future. Would have loved to keep him but with the contract and health concerns it was a gamble not worth taking. How you feel about me that I really do not care frankly there are a lot of Cowboy fans who are not worth dirt their support is no more than fair weather fans who constant rip the team.

Except there is no Luck on this team. And please don't say Lawrence, they may share first names, but he has a long long long way to go to even be in the same discussion with Ware.

 

[Doomsday101]

Except there is no Luck on this team. And please don't say Lawrence, they may share first names, but he has a long long long way to go to even be in the same discussion with Ware.

We don't know what Lawrence will or will not do, hell you knew DWare would post the numbers he did? I doubt it. I like Ware and wish a deal could have been made but he choose not to. 12 mill a year for a guy Dallas was uncertain about due to age and injury sorry they did what they needed to do and yes they are rebuilding, Crawford a 2nd rd pick, Lawrence a 2nd rd pick and yes more is needed

 

[Galian Beast]

So are you suggesting that Ware wasn't successful here? Because I don't need to look up splits to know that he was and anyone who knows anything about football shouldn't either.

DeMarcus Ware 2013 splits

Ware had 6 total sacks in 2013. 4 of which came in September...

The entire year he had two 2nd half sacks...and only 1 on the 4th quarter.

2012 Splits

Ware had 11.5 sacks

He only had 2.5 sacks in the last half of the year.

2011 Splits

Ware had 19.5 sacks... but again faded half way through the year...

He had 12 sacks in the first half of the season and 7.5 in the second.

He only had 3.5 sacks on 3rd downs.

 

[BAT]

We don't know what Lawrence will or will not do, hell you knew DWare would post the numbers he did? I doubt it. I like Ware and wish a deal could have been made but he choose not to. 12 mill a year for a guy Dallas was uncertain about due to age and injury sorry they did what they needed to do and yes they are rebuilding, Crawford a 2nd rd pick, Lawrence a 2nd rd pick and yes more is needed.

I don't know what Lawrence can do, and neither do you. I absolutely know what Ware is capable of when healthy, and even injured he was not bad at all. Not many guys can produce when injured, Ware did.

 

[Doomsday101]

I loved having Ware but Dallas needed to move on to rebuild this unit and that was not going to happen with Ware and Hatcher.

I don't know what Lawrence can do, and neither do you. I absolutely know what Ware is capable of when healthy, and even injured he was not bad at all. Not many guys can produce when injured, Ware did.

yes but he has not been healthy Dallas was to take a chance just hope like hell? They were willing to stay with Ware they wanted to lower his pay and he did not want to. He looked after #1 and so did Dallas. As much as I like him fact is this is a 6-1 team they are playing good defense as a unit and yes more talent needs to come in and they will. I think this unit needed to be rebuilt and as great as Ware was in Dallas I did not see us winning with him. 8-8 all got dumped on Romo well as the top paid defensive player what the hell did Ware do? Where was the strips and sacks late in 4th qrt games? No teams marched down the damn field like nothing and would beat us. You say he did not do that bad? Selvin had about as many sacks as Ware did last season and he was a fricken street FA getting paid nothing.

 

[ifixoldhouses]

Oh I agree on loyalty that should be gone once the contract is expired.Jerry got his butt in a sling too many times being loyal to players and it came back
and bit him bad.We have to keep going on nothing stays the same. Best of luck to Ware a great player who will be injured before this season is over,sorry to say.
We couldn't afford him. Keep drafting well.

If we make it to the Super Bowl I doubt he'll be playing either, if he is though watch out, might have extra motivation.

 

[BAT]

DeMarcus Ware 2013 splits

Ware had 6 total sacks in 2013. 4 of which came in September...

The entire year he had two 2nd half sacks...and only 1 on the 4th quarter.

2012 Splits

Ware had 11.5 sacks

He only had 2.5 sacks in the last half of the year.

2011 Splits

Ware had 19.5 sacks... but again faded half way through the year...

He had 12 sacks in the first half of the season and 7.5 in the second.

He only had 3.5 sacks on 3rd downs.

They are your stats and you are still making yourself look foolish. Ware was injured in 2011, 2012 and 2013. But even injured, he was putting up pro bowl numbers until last season when he battled not one, not two, but 3 different injuries. Are you delusional? Who can produce HOF numbers (and that is exactly what the haters are demanding, how else does ANYONE disparage NINETEEN or even 11 sacks????) in that kind of shape, the fact that he played while in that condition showed more than just loyalty but the quality of the individual. For all the "Ware is soft" wannabes out there, I would love to see any of you go to WORK with a neck stinger, quadriceps or a back injury, let alone all three at the same time.

How does a guy who hates so many great Cowboys call himself a Cowboys fan???

 

[BAT]

I loved having Ware but Dallas needed to move on to rebuild this unit and that was not going to happen with Ware and Hatcher.



yes but he has not been healthy Dallas was to take a chance just hope like hell? They were willing to stay with Ware they wanted to lower his pay and he did not want to. He looked after #1 and so did Dallas. As much as I like him fact is this is a 6-1 team they are playing good defense as a unit and yes more talent needs to come in and they will. I think this unit needed to be rebuilt and as great as Ware was in Dallas I did not see us winning with him. 8-8 all got dumped on Romo well as the top paid defensive player what the hell did Ware do? Where was the strips and sacks late in 4th qrt games? No teams marched down the damn field like nothing and would beat us. You say he did not do that bad? Selvin had about as many sacks as Ware did last season and he was a fricken street FA getting paid nothing.

None of Ware's injuries were career threatening, unlike some of the players Cowboys took a chance on THIS season: Melton, Spencer, Okoye, Holloman, etc. I am guessing that Ware would have stayed if their approach was different, instead of telling him that he was a devalued player and they wanted to pay him accordingly. Ware was actually willing to take a pay cut earlier but the things he kept hearing out of VR pissed him off.

And if "take a play off" Spencer can be reinvigorated and buy into Marinelli's new culture, how does anyone ANYONE think that a guy with Ware's work ethic, loyalty, passion, intelligence, leadership, accountability, etc. can not???? You cannot re-write someone's accomplishments, deeds, character, actions because it fits your agenda. It is disengenous at best.

 

[Doomsday101]

None of Ware's injuries were career threatening, unlike some of the players Cowboys took a chance on THIS season: Melton, Spencer, Okoye, Holloman, etc. I am guessing that Ware would have stayed if their approach was different, instead of telling him that he was a devalued player and they wanted to pay him accordingly. Ware was actually willing to take a pay cut earlier but the things he kept hearing out of VR pissed him off.

And if "take a play off" Spencer can be reinvigorated and buy into Marinelli's new culture, how does anyone ANYONE think that a guy with Ware's work ethic, loyalty, passion, intelligence, leadership, accountability, etc. can not???? You cannot re-write someone's accomplishments, deeds, character, actions because it fits your agenda. It is disengenous at best.

I'm guess he would not stay he was unwilling and neck and shoulder injuries can and have been career threatening and he had the same issue for a while. I'm glad Ware is doing good, I felt it was time for change and hard to make change with him eating up a large portion of the cap on defense and production was not matching. Right now my focus really is on who we have now and to add to what we have. These guys are playing hard ball they are making the plays and in critical situation they are making the stops without Ware. Dallas will survive and Dallas will add to rebuild this defense.