CFZ Proactive vs Reactive

[Sydla]

Go get the WR that you think is the best available right now. Instead they will wait and end up with what’s left over.

That’s how this front office thinks and it’s one reason why we are going on a quarter century of misery.

 

[Bobhaze]

I’d go with the young guys for now. If, for some reason they’re not playing well after the first couple of preseason games, you can do something at that point. Tolbert, I expect to be very good. Much better than Washington, for sure. Houston? I have no idea but if he’s playing well so far, I don’t blame them for taking a look.

There aren’t any FA WR’s out there that I like enough to spend the money on.

I think the team is handling it right.

I don’t think they have to make a move right at this moment. I just don’t want to see a repeat of 2018 when we waited until we had lost multiple games before taking action.

 

[AsthmaField]

I don’t think they have to make a move right at this moment. I just don’t want to see a repeat of 2018 when we waited until we had lost multiple games before taking action.

I don’t think it’ll be a repeat of 2018. There are significant differences… but we won’t know for sure until the real games get here.

 

[john van brocklin]

We all know being proactive with problems is better than waiting until your choices are limited, then having to react from a weakened position.

I know our front office is saying they want to wait before signing a WR to see how the young players do. I understand wanting to see how the kids progress. But what happens if they don’t pan out but you wait until the regular season starts to find out? And if we sign a veteran WR now why would that in any way stunt the development of the young WRs?

This sounds a lot like the beginning of the 2018 season. We had a bunch of new receivers (Gallup was one of them) and the FO waited until 7 games into the season before admitting we didn’t have enough at WR. Which then led to Jerry’s reactive move to acquire Amari Cooper at the cost of a #1 pick.

Waiting until the house is on fire is never a good strategy. All the firemen I know say most fires are prevented before they ever start.

Being proactive doesn’t mean you aren’t developing your young talent too. We should be able to walk and chew gum.

You make sense Bob!

 

[john van brocklin]

Jerry epitomizes the word reactive. Huge part of the problem.

Jerry being our GM is a problem.
Good owner, GM, not so much.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

We all know being proactive with problems is better than waiting until your choices are limited, then having to react from a weakened position.

I know our front office is saying they want to wait before signing a WR to see how the young players do. I understand wanting to see how the kids progress. But what happens if they don’t pan out but you wait until the regular season starts to find out? And if we sign a veteran WR now why would that in any way stunt the development of the young WRs?

This sounds a lot like the beginning of the 2018 season. We had a bunch of new receivers (Gallup was one of them) and the FO waited until 7 games into the season before admitting we didn’t have enough at WR. Which then led to Jerry’s reactive move to acquire Amari Cooper at the cost of a #1 pick.

Waiting until the house is on fire is never a good strategy. All the firemen I know say most fires are prevented before they ever start.

Being proactive doesn’t mean you aren’t developing your young talent too. We should be able to walk and chew gum.

Thanks BH.... just what i think about this FO... a FO that has no sense of urgency or fear of failure tends to be reactive because their fear keeps them from being initiators. Well not just their fear but their incompetence. They wait until the proverbial ish has hit the fan. Just like the Cooper situation. A proactive FO would know they need to do something now and be making arrangements and focus on that, as well as a vet backup for Tyrone. We know he is going down for a handful of games this year. Depending on UDFA or rookies to suitably backup and play at a level not to embarrass the team is a poor and unwise decision. But this is what we come to expect from this group of imbeciles

 

[75boyz]

I wonder if all the same people supporting this wait and see approach on the position of WR2 feel the same about LT?

I mean it's down to Josh Ball and Tyler Smith as LT swing tackle options now that Waletzko is hurt.

Should the FO just continue to put all their eggs in the Tyler Smith /Josh Ball basket to protect their 160 mil dollar investment?

I don't like the wait and see approach with the current WR depth chart. I believe a FA should be added.

To not grab a vet FA LT is borderline stupidity.

Okay, it is stupid.

 

[Pass2Run]

it's about waiting until the right time, not waiting until it's too late.

Balance.

 

[jazzcat22]

I understand, but I think it’s a bit premature to shape the situation that way. My thoughts on WR depth and OT depth are the exact same:

Give the young guys the first half or so of camp including a preseason game and joint practice and see what they can do. If they show you enough then you roll with them, if not you bring in a vet for the last few weeks of camp and go into the season. These vets do not need a full camp nor do they want one, they’ll be able to transition just fine in late August.

I do get that maybe they stunt the young player growth in-season. But there’s really no young players that have been invested in enough for that to be a concern. Do 5th rounders Simi Fehoko and Matt Waletzko pose enough of an investment that I worry about growth being stunted in-season? No not at all, these guys won’t even be playing if the Cowboys depth chart works the way we believe. The guys like Jalen Tolbert who are higher picks will play regardless, I don’t think we should fret over late round pick development in-season especially when they weren’t even penciled in to play a lot.

As of right now I have no issue waiting. You get to the last few weeks and you’re not seeing enough from your WR’s or OT’s then you go grab an Emmanuel Sanders or Sam Tevi. There’s no rush to sign vets who don’t even want to be in TC when you could give these developmental offseason reps to young guys.

Great post, I was thinking toward the same thing. Give the players a few weeks or so, even one PS game. Then go from there.
I actually posted stuff like that throughout the off season. They will go into TC as they are, and see how things develop from there.

 

[speedkilz88]

Signing LB Anthony Barr when the most pressing need (at least to fans) is WR is a proactive move.

If they signed a vet WR right now because of the injury to Washington it would be a reactive move.

 

[kskboys]

We all know being proactive with problems is better than waiting until your choices are limited, then having to react from a weakened position.

I know our front office is saying they want to wait before signing a WR to see how the young players do. I understand wanting to see how the kids progress. But what happens if they don’t pan out but you wait until the regular season starts to find out? And if we sign a veteran WR now why would that in any way stunt the development of the young WRs?

This sounds a lot like the beginning of the 2018 season. We had a bunch of new receivers (Gallup was one of them) and the FO waited until 7 games into the season before admitting we didn’t have enough at WR. Which then led to Jerry’s reactive move to acquire Amari Cooper at the cost of a #1 pick.

Waiting until the house is on fire is never a good strategy. All the firemen I know say most fires are prevented before they ever start.

Being proactive doesn’t mean you aren’t developing your young talent too. We should be able to walk and chew gum.

Since I believe this is a throwaway season, albeit prolly unintentional, I think it's a good idea to see what we have w/ the young guys.

And Lamb has more talent in a toe than all the WR's combined on that roster. As does Gallup, and possibly Tolbert.

I think the salary room we have should be kept, to be rolled over to pay Diggs. Get ahead of the game for once.

Dammmmmmmmmmm, one of the 3 times per season me n Bob sorta disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since I believe this is a throwaway season, albeit prolly uintentional

 

[dargonking999]

We know that Gallup will be ready at some point in the season

At that point the team has Lamb, Gallup, Schultz, Pollard, and Tolbert/Brown. As there top 5 pass catchers (not even including Washington)

We keep talking about 2018 but you miss what really happened. In 2018 we didn't just let Dez go, we also let Witten go. We did not have a young WR1 ready to replace Dez instead we had Hurns, Butler, Tavon, Beasley, Jardin, who we were hoping would fill that void. But without the threat of Dez and Witten, teams no longer had to double cover anyone in particular. Which meant Beasley was no longer able to just one on one the teams 3rd CB. And with Jason Garrett's run run, pass and just beat the guy in front of you mantra. There was zero creativity in the offense. Which is what hampered our offense.

When we got Cooper that brought a legit number 1 WR to the cowboys who Dak wa able to use to force teams to start adjusting there coverages which allowed the rest of the WRs a chance to succeed.

Here we don't have that. Lamb and Gallup each are better than any WR we had at the start of 2018. Schultz is the best TE we've had since Witten. Pollard is legit threat on the field. We don't need another WR right now. We have the firepower as it is. We can afford to wait and sign a Vet if we feel we need the depth. Because any WR we sign is gonna be at best 3 or 4th option even at the start of the season.

This is not 2018. Please stop insulting Lamb by suggesting Hurns, Butler, and Beasley can be anything near what he brings to the team.

 

[blueblood70]

We know that Gallup will be ready at some point in the season

At that point the team has Lamb, Gallup, Schultz, Pollard, and Tolbert/Brown. As there top 5 pass catchers (not even including Washington)

We keep talking about 2018 but you miss what really happened. In 2018 we didn't just let Dez go, we also let Witten go. We did not have a young WR1 ready to replace Dez instead we had Hurns, Butler, Tavon, Beasley, Jardin, who we were hoping would fill that void. But without the threat of Dez and Witten, teams no longer had to double cover anyone in particular. Which meant Beasley was no longer able to just one on one the teams 3rd CB. And with Jason Garrett's run run, pass and just beat the guy in front of you mantra. There was zero creativity in the offense. Which is what hampered our offense.

When we got Cooper that brought a legit number 1 WR to the cowboys who Dak wa able to use to force teams to start adjusting there coverages which allowed the rest of the WRs a chance to succeed.

Here we don't have that. Lamb and Gallup each are better than any WR we had at the start of 2018. Schultz is the best TE we've had since Witten. Pollard is legit threat on the field. We don't need another WR right now. We have the firepower as it is. We can afford to wait and sign a Vet if we feel we need the depth. Because any WR we sign is gonna be at best 3 or 4th option even at the start of the season.

This is not 2018. Please stop insulting Lamb by suggesting Hurns, Butler, and Beasley can be anything near what he brings to the team.

 

[Diehardblues]

So, what would you do? You're a former school administrator, I'm sure you never received criticism, so....how would you have handled this situation? You bring up many concerns with our front office and like people always say....don't bring me problems, bring me solutions.
I don't have any solutions, so I can't answer this question.

It’s not really up to critics or fans to offer solutions. I don’t need to know how to repair my car to know it needs service .

But Bob did offer some suggestions as bringing in possibly more veterans from FA to fill the gap .

The bigger problem I see is our GM doesn’t always plan for worse case scenarios too often with eternal optimist view then has to go into damage control when it nose dives needing a greater response like in 2018.

It’s fine for an owner to be a cheerleader hyping an optimistic view but your GM needs to be turning over every rock preparing for these worse case scenarios.

And why I’ve often argued wearing both hats of the owner and GM can be a conflict of interest.

 

[blueblood70]

Since I believe this is a throwaway season, albeit prolly unintentional, I think it's a good idea to see what we have w/ the young guys.

And Lamb has more talent in a toe than all the WR's combined on that roster. As does Gallup, and possibly Tolbert.

I think the salary room we have should be kept, to be rolled over to pay Diggs. Get ahead of the game for once.

Dammmmmmmmmmm, one of the 3 times per season me n Bob sorta disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since I believe this is a throwaway season, albeit prolly uintentional

NO throwaway seasons, absolutely EVER. Unless you are MIA and stupidly say you are tanking in public and now are paying for it, paying dearly,..Jery has NEVER tried to tank even in 2020 , we won 3 games down the stretch we could have thrown..lmao

you are truly clueless..you think that what they are doing but those subtractions are positives, just because they didn't go make splash in FA , in some fans eyes we will be worse..

nope not a fact that, an opinion.. its not true. what over seen is many players this offseason has recommitted seem to be working harder even the rooks/2yr players seem to be going the extra mile getting ready.. not even unintentional , i see as good or beter team for 22..

 

[Ranching]

It’s not really up to critics or fans to offer solutions. I don’t need to know how to repair my car to know it needs service .

But Bob did offer some suggestions as bringing in possibly more veterans from FA to fill the gap .

The bigger problem I see is our GM doesn’t always plan for worse case scenarios too often with eternal optimist view then has to go into damage control when it nose dives needing a greater response like in 2018.

It’s fine for an owner to be a cheerleader hyping an optimistic view but your GM needs to be turning over every rock preparing for these worse case scenarios.

And why I’ve often argued wearing both hats of the owner and GM can be a conflict of interest.

I have no problem with Bob's points, other than he brings them up over and over and over again....

 

[thunderpimp91]

The group of FA WRs right now feels like even more of a gamble than the young receiver group we have in camp. I think people are more concerned about having a name they recognize on the depth chart than anything else. The ones that have been recently productive are likely not available. OBJ is still injured, Jackson has stated he only has a couple teams he would be willing to come back for, Beasley has probably burnt that bridge down completely. Outside of that I'm not sure who you target that has actually produced more than WR4/5 results recently? As much as I loved a guy like T.Y. Hilton a few years ago, he is clearly a shell of his former self. Part of that a lack of ability to stay on the field, but even when he was on the field he hasn't produced much. Last year he had 9 starts for 37 targets and 330 yards, and that is the case with most recognizable WRs left available. Any JAG receiver on this roster can provide that plus you get the young guy upside.

The Cowboys best bet is going to be waiting out the preseason. Scout your guys, and see if another team trys to sneak a good player though to their practice squad or makes someone available for trade that is better than what you have now.

Signing a vet now isn't a bad idea, but it feels like buying the extended car warranty. Some level of added piece of mind, but even if you have to use it you'll be pretty disappointed in what it actually covers.

 

[Diehardblues]

NO throwaway seasons, absolutely EVER. Unless you are MIA and stupidly say you are tanking in public and now are paying for it, paying dearly,..Jery has NEVER tried to tank even in 2020 , we won 3 games down the stretch we could have thrown..lmao

you are truly clueless..you think that what they are doing but those subtractions are positives, just because they didn't go make splash in FA , in some fans eyes we will be worse..

nope not a fact that, an opinion.. its not true. what over seen is many players this offseason has recommitted seem to be working harder even the rooks/2yr players seem to be going the extra mile getting ready.. not even unintentional , i see as good or beter team for 22..

Yea, there has been no discussion of a throw away season. Not even a rebuild or retooling.

 

[Diehardblues]

I have no problem with Bob's points, other than he brings them up over and over and over again....

Each new issue or situation presents the opportunity to rehash the core problem.

Kinda like with a problem child that needs to be reprimanded for each incident or situation.

 

[75boyz]

Guess it all boils down to this...

IF Lamb can do all the things a top tier WR1 can do without having Coop's presence on the field which effected the opposing defensive schemes then that will prove full legitimacy as WR1.