Profound Grief 19 Children, 2 Teachers Dead In Texas School Shooting

[VaqueroTD]

Not sure why some of you think no one will pay. There is definitely going to be repercussions for someone’s negligence. They’re facing incredible amounts of lawsuit, the press on this is just nonstop nasty, and even the governor is pissed that someone covered it up and made his statement look foolish and criminal.

As someone else posted, I just assumed that Uvalde is like other modern-day police forces and they storm active shooters. I think the consequences depend on the policy. If for some reason this is not a modern police department, you start at the top including even above chief. If there was a policy and procedure in place, you investigate and see where the ball was dropped. Either the ones running the show made wrong decisions or there was bad protocol and communication on the ground. I think we’ll find a little bit of everything, but I do think a lot of it will point to bad communication and people who were charged with making the decisions.

There will also probably be an investigation as to why there was a cover-up and they tried to gloss over the damning evidence. They really have no choice in this matter because there’s going to be so many civil lawsuits fired off, this is all going to be exposed no matter what. When the cover up is this bad, I think you can start to guess at who is responsible and that would be all the way to the top.

 

[Creeper]

They released video of the entire incident. Erm, viewer discretion advised. Pretty horrible stuff even if you can’t see anything. They took out sounds of the poor kids. All you can see is the idiot walking to school, in the hall, and then cops buddying up for a long freaking time in the hallway while psycho goes to town. What a $%# up. I know it’s easy for me to say this not having been in the situation but I almost think it’s instinct to go take out that nutcase fast - elementary school horror and small kids crying around you, you have a bullet proof vest, and you know 99% of the time your target is some anti-social untrained teen. Life provides rare situations where the person in charge can make a critical decision and these Uvalde chiefs have to live with their inaction the rest of their life while parents realize their kid maybe could have lived. And because of the coverup, they push the tape out, which you know some other deranged dipstick is now thinking about the same thing and is watching and living and thinking about their plans a lot more intently now.

I have questions.

 

[CouchCoach]

At the time this happened, the explanation was active shooter vs barricaded shooter. Active shooter requires immediate confrontation and bring the shooter down and barricaded calls for holding in position.

This was compounded by no one knowing who was in charge, including those in charge.

My question is who was in charge among those holding in the hallway when they could hear the sounds of an active shooter?

 

[kskboys]

Not sure why some of you think no one will pay. There is definitely going to be repercussions for someone’s negligence. They’re facing incredible amounts of lawsuit, the press on this is just nonstop nasty, and even the governor is pissed that someone covered it up and made his statement look foolish and criminal.

As someone else posted, I just assumed that Uvalde is like other modern-day police forces and they storm active shooters. I think the consequences depend on the policy. If for some reason this is not a modern police department, you start at the top including even above chief. If there was a policy and procedure in place, you investigate and see where the ball was dropped. Either the ones running the show made wrong decisions or there was bad protocol and communication on the ground. I think we’ll find a little bit of everything, but I do think a lot of it will point to bad communication and people who were charged with making the decisions.

There will also probably be an investigation as to why there was a cover-up and they tried to gloss over the damning evidence. They really have no choice in this matter because there’s going to be so many civil lawsuits fired off, this is all going to be exposed no matter what. When the cover up is this bad, I think you can start to guess at who is responsible and that would be all the way to the top.

I keep wondering if the police chief was some assignment of a non-police type who got the job because he/she knew someone. As opposed to promoting veteran policemen who have proven themselves.

Just ask this, "Whomever was in charge, why were they in charge?"

 

[Vtwin]

This.

Whether there may or may not be a fear of getting in trouble. Doing nothing while a person is killing people is inexcusable. Qualified immunity for cops in these types of situations will almost always shield the cops from getting in trouble if they should make a mistake while trying to stop an active killer. Doing nothing is a different thing imo.

This misses the point though. Right or wrong doesn't matter in the heat of the moment when those decisions are being made.

One can agree that basing a decision on that aspect is wrong but it doesn't change the fact that the mob rule approach to reacting to shootings by LE could very well have played a role. When cops see the mob immediately go crazy and start calling for heads whenever a cop uses his/her weapon and before the barrel has cooled down it is going to have an affect. The mob rule mentality, often propped up by the media will have consequences. Right or wrong.

 

[Ranched]

Back in the day we had fire drills. Today the children have active shooter drills.

 

[Robbieac]

Back in the day we had fire drills. Today the children have active shooter drills.

That's true.

We had guns back then too and didn't have these issues. Something else has changed.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Google Bo Jackson.

 

[Ranched]

Google Bo Jackson.

Oh Oz. Thank for sharing this. What a true angel. ♡

 

[dreghorn2]

Back in the day we had fire drills. Today the children have active shooter drills.

Way way back in the day we had nuclear weapon attack drills.

 

[CouchCoach]

Way way back in the day we had nuclear weapon attack drills.

I kept my desk from the 3rd grade just in case. However, if I dive under it in a drill, I am probably there for a good while. Most likely until Aruba gets nuclear weapons.

 

[jnday]

There will be no criminal charges against any of the cops. No matter how much your heart desires them. Law enforcement has no responsibility to protect anyone. So sayeth the Supreme Court.

They have the only job in the world where doing their job is optional.

 

[jnday]

That's true.

We had guns back then too and didn't have these issues. Something else has changed.

When I was in school, all of us guys that hunted would have our loaded guns in the gun racks of our unlocked trucks. It was never a problem on any level. Gun racks have become basically non-existent in today’s society. It is hard to believe it, but there was a time when the sight of a gun did not cause widespread panic. Guns have not changed in any meaningful way. A loaded gun will still shoot when the trigger is pulled. Somewhere along the way, society has changed. People have changed. During those times, seeing a 10 year old kid going hunting without an adult was common. The 10 year old kids from the 1970’s and 80’s were more mature when it came to gun safety than the 20 year old kids raised in today’s society. Yes, people have changed and in this case, it was not for the better.

 

[Robbieac]

When I was in school, all of us guys that hunted would have our loaded guns in the gun racks of our unlocked trucks. It was never a problem on any level. Gun racks have become basically non-existent in today’s society. It is hard to believe it, but there was a time when the sight of a gun did not cause widespread panic. Guns have not changed in any meaningful way. A loaded gun will still shoot when the trigger is pulled. Somewhere along the way, society has changed. People have changed. During those times, seeing a 10 year old kid going hunting without an adult was common. The 10 year old kids from the 1970’s and 80’s were more mature when it came to gun safety than the 20 year old kids raised in today’s society. Yes, people have changed and in this case, it was not for the better.

All true.

The moral decay in our society has accelerated at an unprecedented pace.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

When I was in school, all of us guys that hunted would have our loaded guns in the gun racks of our unlocked trucks. It was never a problem on any level. Gun racks have become basically non-existent in today’s society. It is hard to believe it, but there was a time when the sight of a gun did not cause widespread panic. Guns have not changed in any meaningful way. A loaded gun will still shoot when the trigger is pulled. Somewhere along the way, society has changed. People have changed. During those times, seeing a 10 year old kid going hunting without an adult was common. The 10 year old kids from the 1970’s and 80’s were more mature when it came to gun safety than the 20 year old kids raised in today’s society. Yes, people have changed and in this case, it was not for the better.

1000 likes for you Sir.

 

[Shinaoi]

That's true.

We had guns back then too and didn't have these issues. Something else has changed.

hate to break it to you, but they’ve always happened. They just have gotten deadlier.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

[Shinaoi]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)

school shooting have been happening since there were guns. The guns just happen to be better at killing now. But there were some deadly freaking shootings in the 60s people pulled off with no semi or automatic.

 

[Shinaoi]

The San Diego 81 massacre was particularly deadly. Not sure what weapon he used then.

 

[triplets_93]

How about $45 Million to insure that public school doors lock properly....

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/t...aldes-robb-elementary-after-massacre/2981366/

"The president said we're going to work on a grant. Here's a sad state of affairs, we actually have a federal grant for schools that undergo this type of devastation, and it's upwards to $45 million to raze these schools. What does that say about this problem in America?" Gutierrez said.

 

[nobody]

How about $45 Million to insure that public school doors lock properly....

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/t...aldes-robb-elementary-after-massacre/2981366/

"The president said we're going to work on a grant. Here's a sad state of affairs, we actually have a federal grant for schools that undergo this type of devastation, and it's upwards to $45 million to raze these schools. What does that say about this problem in America?" Gutierrez said.

And to actually get the teachers to follow protocols and not use the wrong door for "convenience"