Proof - Cap Space and Romo Trade not a problem

[xwalker]

Here is how it would look if the Cowboys cut or traded Romo before June 1st, restructured the top 10 contracts and cut Doug Free. The number is $48.8 million in 2017.

This is how much space they would have to re-sign their own free agents and to sign outside free agents.

Note that new contracts often have very reasonable cap hits in the 1st year. For instance, a new contract for Zack Martin would not create a huge hit in 2017.

Obviously they won't use all of this space because future years also have to be considered.

The main thing to take from this is that worrying about making Romo a June 1st cut is a complete waste of time.

Making Romo a June 1st cut pushes money into future years which is also what happens when they restructure other contracts. It's the same concept either way in regards to the cap.

If they can get anything for Romo in a trade, then they should do it. There is no significant downside in regards to the cap.

 

[erod]

Why would you trade for a guy who has full veto rights and will be released anyway?

Dallas will release him and get nothing for him.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Why would you trade for a guy who has full veto rights and will be released anyway?

Dallas will release him and get nothing for him.

Since you can see the future... do you mind giving me the winning lottery numbers?

 

[Daillest88]

Lol and they said we couldn't do what we want "this isn't Madden" lol

 

[robjay04]

Why would you trade for a guy who has full veto rights and will be released anyway?

Dallas will release him and get nothing for him.

This is by far the most likely scenario.

Tony could give Romo about 3 teams he would be happy to go to and if they don't want to give up a pick for him then Jerry will do right by his players(which he always has historically) and release Romo.

The guy really has minimal trade value considering his injury history, age and contract.

 

[robjay04]

Since you can see the future... do you mind giving me the winning lottery numbers?

Tell me the last time this team has ever traded a player. You have to dig deep and it'll probably be a no name player.

Jerry has too big of a heart and admiration for his players and Romo to ever trade him to the highest bidder.

 

[xwalker]

Why would you trade for a guy who has full veto rights and will be released anyway?

Dallas will release him and get nothing for him.

This thread is not about Romo's value. It's about the concept that if he has trade value, then June 1st is irrelevant to the decision to trade him.

Technically, if Romo retires against the wishes of the Cowboys he would own them 12.5 million dollars.

 

[robjay04]

This thread is not about Romo's value. It's about the concept that if he has trade value, then June 1st is irrelevant to the decision to trade him.

Technically, if Romo retires against the wishes of the Cowboys he would own them 12.5 million dollars.

In hindsight, if we could get a sixth round pick for him---it's better than nothing.

Does anyone know exactly what the Eagles did last year to rid big contracts after one year? I don't believe the Eagles owe Byron Maxwell or Demarco much at all.

I did a little research, it seems like the Dolphins just took Braxton's contract and Demarco restructured his deal taking a pay cut to facilitate a trade.

The restructures may make it more difficult but why couldn't we do that? Eagles cleared out a hundred million dollars in contracts with minimal dead money and compensation. Everyone said the eagles couldn't make those trades because of the cap when the rumors started circulating as well.

 

[xwalker]

Tell me the last time this team has ever traded a player. You have to dig deep and it'll probably be a no name player.

Jerry has too big of a heart and admiration for his players and Romo to ever trade him to the highest bidder.

The Eagles traded Sam Bradford to the Vikings for a 1st round pick.

Green Bay traded Brett Farve to the Jets for a 3rd round pick. I think he was 39 years old at the time.

Most likely a team that would trade for Romo would be a team where he want to play. The terrible teams like Cleveland are unlikely to want him. A playoff team like Houston on the other hand could be interested.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

This is by far the most likely scenario.

Tony could give Romo about 3 teams he would be happy to go to and if they don't want to give up a pick for him then Jerry will do right by his players(which he always has historically) and release Romo.

The guy really has minimal trade value considering his injury history, age and contract.

His contract is not an issue.. for today's going rates on a decent QB, 14 million is not much. Even if they didn't re do the contract and he played it out and got 20 million his last year, that is still a bargain price for an elite starting QB.

 

[xwalker]

In hindsight, if we could get a sixth round pick for him---it's better than nothing.

Does anyone know exactly what the Eagles did last year to rid big contracts after one year? I don't believe the Eagles owe Braxton Miller or Demarco much at all.

I did a little research, it seems like the Dolphins just took Braxton's contract and Demarco restructured his deal taking a pay cut to facilitate a trade.

The restructures may make it more difficult but why couldn't we do that? Eagles cleared out a hundred million dollars in contracts with minimal dead money and compensation. Everyone said the eagles couldn't make those trades because of the cap when the rumors started circulating as well.

IIRC, Braxton Miller is and always has been with the Texans.

I'm not sure why you are asking about the Eagles and these players.

 

[Nightman]

Here is how it would look if the Cowboys cut or traded Romo before June 1st, restructured the top 10 contracts and cut Doug Free. The number is $48.8 million in 2017.

This is how much space they would have to re-sign their own free agents and to sign outside free agents.

Note that new contracts often have very reasonable cap hits in the 1st year. For instance, a new contract for Zack Martin would not create a huge hit in 2017.

Obviously they won't use all of this space because future years also have to be considered.

The main thing to take from this is that worrying about making Romo a June 1st cut is a complete waste of time.

Making Romo a June 1st cut pushes money into future years which is also what happens when they restructure other contracts. It's the same concept either way in regards to the cap.

If they can get anything for Romo in a trade, then they should do it. There is no significant downside in regards to the cap.

Taking the 19.6m cap hit for Romo isn't Plan A but it can be managed.......plus any trade would be for a 2017 pick and not 2018

Fans really have a hard time with the pushing money forward stuff because the media doesn't really understand it.......paying for Romo now is just like not restructuring Dez or TCrawford... it doesn't help us in any way.... more of a worst case scenario

Taking a 17m cap hit for Dez or 15m hit for TFred is just bad accounting.......their contracts are guaranteed.....just like TCrawford.........pay it forward every time.......

Not activating cap space just means you are paying full price this year instead of a discount this year and next year.....Dead money is good business for guys that have been here several years

 

[robjay04]

The Eagles traded Sam Bradford to the Vikings for a 1st round pick.

Green Bay traded Brett Farve to the Jets for a 3rd round pick. I think he was 39 years old at the time.

Most likely a team that would trade for Romo would be a team where he want to play. The terrible teams like Cleveland are unlikely to want him. A playoff team like Houston on the other hand could be interested.

Different circumstances.

Favre was coming off a 13-3 season where he had a great season and he was an iron man that never got hurt. Romo has hardly played football in two complete years because of injuries and not even the most optimistic analyst will say that you can count on him for 16 games.

Bradford is a product of a desperate team. If we want to wait it out till preseason with Romo and see if a playoff caliber team loses their starting QB, we could get a kings random for him. Fact is, teams have an entire offseason now to get who they want.

 

[AbeBeta]

The Eagles traded Sam Bradford to the Vikings for a 1st round pick.

Green Bay traded Brett Farve to the Jets for a 3rd round pick. I think he was 39 years old at the time.

Most likely a team that would trade for Romo would be a team where he want to play. The terrible teams like Cleveland are unlikely to want him. A playoff team like Houston on the other hand could be interested.

The Eagles got a first for Bradford - but that's not at all relevant - they were desperate. We aren't going to wait for a team to have a catastrophic pre-season injury to move Romo.

Favre hadn't missed a game in like 15 years and had just lead the Packer to a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC Championship games. I think most GMs at the time didn't see age as an issue for Favre.

 

[robjay04]

IIRC, Braxton Miller is and always has been with the Texans.

I'm not sure why you are asking about the Eagles and these players.

I meant Maxwell.

 

[Nightman]

IIRC, Braxton Miller is and always has been with the Texans.

I'm not sure why you are asking about the Eagles and these players.

Its Byron Maxwell and the Eagles paid through the nose for 1 year of Murray and Maxwell

Yes they got out of those deals but they paid Murray 9m for 2015 with 4m dead money in 2016
they paid Maxwell 13m for 2015 with 5m in dead money in 2016

 

[perrykemp]

Favre hadn't missed a game in like 15 years and had just lead the Packer to a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC Championship games. I think most GMs at the time didn't see age as an issue for Favre.

Not only did Favre go 13-3 in 2007, he was also the runner up to MVP (Brady won it).

Ultimately his age (38) dramatically devalued him. I think the Packers got a 3rd for him?

 

[Sandyf]

What we really know about the Romo situation/future is nothing. Everything is just what we think could happen. Will he retire? Will he be cut either after June1st or before? Will he be traded? If traded, for what? Will there be a bidding war among 3 or 4 teams that want him? Why did the chicken cross the road?

We just are speculating either to what we want or what we think will happen or what we want to happen. Reality isn't fun but we should have an idea by March 9th one way or another.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Making Romo a June 1st cut moves his money to a future year, not years. If we cut him before that, everything comes off the books in the 2017-18 season. If we cut him after, it is all off after the 2018-19 season.

 

[AbeBeta]

nk the Packers got a 3rd for him?

And the whole thing where he retired likely depressed the value