Pull a Mike Ditka?

[adamknite]

Let me put it this way...

A) Calvin Johnson

or...

B) Pick #22 plus 9 more draft picks, any of which could be a WR from the following group.

Robert Meachem
Dwayne Bowe
Dwayne Jarrett
Ted Ginn Jr.
Anthony Gonzalez
Steve Smith
Jason Hill
Aundrae Allison
Sidney Rice




Which option would you take?

B.

Alright, lets say we traded for Johnson and CJ turns into a all pro WR that would be great, but would it be better than keeping our picks and finding atleast 3 solid starters for other positions? None of those three may ever be as good as CJ but the combined value of all three I think would be hard to top. If we can find atleast 3 solid players in this draft with our 10 picks I think it'd be the better deal.

 

[speedkilz88]

The Cowboys have a lot of solid players already on the team. What they need are some difference makers like when they had Mike, Emmitt, Troy, Novacek etc.

 

[Hostile]

B.

Alright, lets say we traded for Johnson and CJ turns into a all pro WR that would be great, but would it be better than keeping our picks and finding atleast 3 solid starters for other positions? None of those three may ever be as good as CJ but the combined value of all three I think would be hard to top. If we can find atleast 3 solid players in this draft with our 10 picks I think it'd be the better deal.

That's what I am saying. Even if CJ becomes Jerry Rice II and those other WRs don't reach say Michael Irvin status there is still the fact that a "Rod Smith and 9 other picks" aspect to this that makes option B the much better option. Suppose the QB you take in round 5 is the next Tom Brady? Are you ahead with Rice II or behind?

No way I do that trade.

 

[iceberg]

B.

Alright, lets say we traded for Johnson and CJ turns into a all pro WR that would be great, but would it be better than keeping our picks and finding atleast 3 solid starters for other positions? None of those three may ever be as good as CJ but the combined value of all three I think would be hard to top. If we can find atleast 3 solid players in this draft with our 10 picks I think it'd be the better deal.

That's what I am saying. Even if CJ becomes Jerry Rice II and those other WRs don't reach say Michael Irvin status there is still the fact that a "Rod Smith and 9 other picks" aspect to this that makes option B the much better option. Suppose the QB you take in round 5 is the next Tom Brady? Are you ahead with Rice II or behind?

No way I do that trade.

thank you both for showing me the "madden mentality" isn't killing all rational thought in the universe. : )

balance is the key in most situations, not 1 superstar trying to carry the load. everyone said nothing but (ironically) HIGH PRAISE for rickey when he came out. would anyone give up a 6th round pick for him now, much less 6 picks?

we simply don't know if CJ will tear it up and be a hall of famer like many feel he has the potential to (a la r williams) or will he be the latest "can't miss oops he busted" pick? everyone seems to laugh at later, even those who said he can't miss now.

the cost to move up to 1 or 2 would likely take even more than our entire draft this year and please - don't start lobbing on players that also only work in madden.

nothing in this world is more mis-named than common sense.

 

[ZeroClub]

That's what I am saying. Even if CJ becomes Jerry Rice II and those other WRs don't reach say Michael Irvin status there is still the fact that a "Rod Smith and 9 other picks" aspect to this that makes option B the much better option. Suppose the QB you take in round 5 is the next Tom Brady? Are you ahead with Rice II or behind?

No way I do that trade.

How about for Ladanian Thomlinson II?

(I'm not saying there is one in this draft, just speaking hypothetically)

I'd do it for a rookie Ladanian Thomlinson. I think he'd be worth it.

 

[speedkilz88]

the cost to move up to 1 or 2 would likely take even more than our entire draft this year and please - don't start lobbing on players that also only work in madden.

I agree with that (and already stated that by the way), thats why if it only took this draft it would be a good deal. This team needs a star player, especially on offense is my point. I wouldn't have done it for a Ricky Williams and was against NO doing it back then because he wasn't a can't miss type. There were plenty of questions about Ricky while CJ doesn't have one red flag.

 

[iceberg]

I agree with that (and already stated that by the way), thats why if it only took this draft it would be a good deal. This team needs a star player, especially on offense is my point. I wouldn't have done it for a Ricky Williams and was against NO doing it back then because he wasn't a can't miss type. There were plenty of questions about Ricky while CJ doesn't have one red flag.

we have what, 10 picks in this draft?

NOT a good deal under ANY circumstances AT THIS TIME. hindsight may prove differently but since CJ is just as much a risk as anyone has ever been, giving up 8-10 players for 1 is like minny trading for walker.

there's a reason you don't see such stupid moves that often and that's likely cause they're ... stupid.

 

[iceberg]

How about for Ladanian Thomlinson II?

(I'm not saying there is one in this draft, just speaking hypothetically)

I'd do it for a rookie Ladanian Thomlinson. I think he'd be worth it.

you have history to base it off of also.

you're using proven production against a gamble to come to the same conclusion - it seems - and that's not a valid way of looking at it - to me.

 

[speedkilz88]

we have what, 10 picks in this draft?

NOT a good deal under ANY circumstances AT THIS TIME. hindsight may prove differently but since CJ is just as much a risk as anyone has ever been, giving up 8-10 players for 1 is like minny trading for walker.

there's a reason you don't see such stupid moves that often and that's likely cause they're ... stupid.

5 are in the 6th-7th rounds, free agents are pretty close to those guys anyway.(which the Cowboys have had pretty good success)The first three picks are really the only quality ones. The Cowboys have had a terrible time with 2nd round picks, even 3rds until last season, and they crapped out on last years 4th rounder.

As we've alreay discussed the reason it doesn't happen is because you usually can't move up that high with one draft. It usually takes high picks from the next season which is too much.

 

[Hostile]

How about for Ladanian Thomlinson II?

(I'm not saying there is one in this draft, just speaking hypothetically)

I'd do it for a rookie Ladanian Thomlinson. I think he'd be worth it.

I don't know if I would even then. RB is more important than WR, so there is that to consider. This draft is RB thin and that factors in too. But you still have to wonder.

A) Ladanian Thompson II (based on Scout comparisons)

or...

B) 10 picks, any of which could be a RB.



I still say the price isn't worth it when all you are gambling on is potential. What happens if instead of LT II you get a Rickey "Blunt" Williams, or you get a great RB and like Bo Jackson a freak injury ends his career early?

I simply can't rationalize the cost.

 

[Hostile]

thank you both for showing me the "madden mentality" isn't killing all rational thought in the universe. : )

balance is the key in most situations, not 1 superstar trying to carry the load. everyone said nothing but (ironically) HIGH PRAISE for rickey when he came out. would anyone give up a 6th round pick for him now, much less 6 picks?

we simply don't know if CJ will tear it up and be a hall of famer like many feel he has the potential to (a la r williams) or will he be the latest "can't miss oops he busted" pick? everyone seems to laugh at later, even those who said he can't miss now.

the cost to move up to 1 or 2 would likely take even more than our entire draft this year and please - don't start lobbing on players that also only work in madden.

nothing in this world is more mis-named than common sense.

On Madden you can take a Donald Driver and Get Jerry Rice results. On Madden you don't suffer season ending knee injuries. On Madden the other team is almost always a willing sucker because they want you to stay interested in playing the game. On Madden "pet cats" are encouraged.

 

[adamknite]

I don't know if I would even then. RB is more important than WR, so there is that to consider. This draft is RB thin and that factors in too. But you still have to wonder.

A) Ladanian Thompson II (based on Scout comparisons)

or...

B) 10 picks, any of which could be a RB.



I still say the price isn't worth it when all you are gambling on is potential. What happens if instead of LT II you get a Rickey "Blunt" Williams, or you get a great RB and like Bo Jackson a freak injury ends his career early?

I simply can't rationalize the cost.

It'd be hard to rationalize that for any player, even if we had the knowledge of hindsight and knew exactly how a guys career was going to work out. I still couldn't see spending all those picks for one guy that has never taken an NFL snap. I'd trade two firsts for LT even after the bad memories of the Galloway trade, But he's the only player I'd do that for in the NFL (franchise QB's excluded).

 

[ZeroClub]

you have history to base it off of also.

you're using proven production against a gamble to come to the same conclusion - it seems - and that's not a valid way of looking at it - to me.

That's fair. Hos makes a similar point, I think:

I don't know if I would even then. RB is more important than WR, so there is that to consider. This draft is RB thin and that factors in too. But you still have to wonder.

A) Ladanian Thompson II (based on Scout comparisons)

or...

B) 10 picks, any of which could be a RB.

I still say the price isn't worth it when all you are gambling on is potential. What happens if instead of LT II you get a Rickey "Blunt" Williams, or you get a great RB and like Bo Jackson a freak injury ends his career early?

I simply can't rationalize the cost.

Oh, I'd do it for a Bo Jackson who had no interest in playing baseball. Or a Billy Sims. Dorsett, of course. Ladanian Thomlinson.

There is a chance they are going to get hurt. That's just part of the deal. It'd be a blow if your man had a career-ending injury, but it wouldn't be a franchise killer. Free agency can be used to plug some holes while awaiting the next draft.

Williams was known to be eccentric, I wouldn't have gambled on him. I wouldn't do it for Adrian Peterson (lingering health questions). Wouldn't have done it with Emmitt Smith - his measurables just weren't strong enough.

Maybe McFadden next year, if he has another strong season and stellar workout numbers.

 

[zrinkill]

There sure are some high and mighty opinions on this thread.'


here is mine ......


I would trade the entire 2006 draft of Carpenter, Fasano, Hatcher, Green, Watkins, Stanley, McQuistan, and Wheatly ....... for Calvin Johnson


And if you replaced Carpenter with Julious Jones I would trade all that for Peterson ..


And if ya dont like it ...... you can kiss my grits!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Not only no, but hell no...

I agree..... .....:starspin

 

[PBJTime]

Trade all our picks for CJ? That's insanity! Now, if we're talking AD...

 

[Clove]

5 are in the 6th-7th rounds, free agents are pretty close to those guys anyway.(which the Cowboys have had pretty good success)The first three picks are really the only quality ones. The Cowboys have had a terrible time with 2nd round picks, even 3rds until last season, and they crapped out on last years 4th rounder.

That's a good point.

Essentially, you will basically be losing out on a 2nd thrid and possibly a 4th round talent, and who knows how good those 3 players will be. You can't count the 1st, because your first will be a star player.

The question is, are you happy with the offense. Is CJ the final piece? Is Romo the answer? Can our offensive tackles give Romo time? What about the defense?

Are we set on defense yet? Everyone happy about Ferguson being the only NT and our we set at OLB? How about corner and safety? Is Watkins the man or the the guy we picked up in FA (forget his name)

To me, I was all for trading the draft at first, but I think there are too many questions on this team right now to trade it away.

 

[iceberg]

There sure are some high and mighty opinions on this thread.'

here is mine ......

I would trade the entire 2006 draft of Carpenter, Fasano, Hatcher, Green, Watkins, Stanley, McQuistan, and Wheatly ....... for Calvin Johnson

And if you replaced Carpenter with Julious Jones I would trade all that for Peterson ..

And if ya dont like it ...... you can kiss my grits!

ooo - i get to debate zrin!!!! : )

now - would you trade carpenter, fasano, hatcher, green, watkins, stanley, mcquistan and wheatly for:

mario williams
alex smith
eli manning
carson palmer
david carr
michael "that's not my dog" vick
courtney brown
tim couch
peyton manning
orlando pace
keyshawn johnson

how many of those would you trade all those players for? those are the last 11 drafts and #1 picks in their respective drafts.

now how about

reggie bush
robert brown
robert gallery
charles rogers
julius peppers
leonard davis
lavar arrington
donavan mcnabb
ryan leaf
darrell russell
kevin hardy

all #2 picks.

if i give 1/2 player credits i got peyton as a yes, carson palmer as a 1/2, bush as a 1/2 and mcnabb as a 1/2 and this is just me trying to figure out if there's a good argument there. i think peyton is a lock, carson not far behind, donavan - pass on my own pat but someone will bark, 1/2...bush 1/2 with 1 year under his belt.

22 picks either #1 or #2 picks in the draft. would you trade our entire draft last year for any of these 22 players? if so, how many? if only 2 - that's 10% of the time would it *maybe* pay off.

i respect where you're coming from and what you're trying to zrin my man - i just disagree cause history shows boom can bust even more often.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry already shot that idea down

Dallas values their draft picks

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Remind me....How'd that work out for Iron Mike???