QB changes around the league

[erod]

dude we arent going to agree here. I have seen both QB's look brilliant and both QB's look baffling to me. Romo by himself did none of that just as Dak himself has done none of it. It takes efforts from alot of people and they both have had pro bowlers coming out their back end

lets just call it we wont see eye to eye and move on. Can we do that? I didnt care for his second contract extension that's a fact ill admit that. at that time we didnt have much a choice and it proved to be a mistake as his body broke down and his contract was an issue till recently but its water under the bridge.

whether dak is worth more than Wilson can be debated. i dont think so but i also know jerry who has made contract mistakes over and over is going to do it and im going to support it. If you want to focus on mistake contracts I would say the Dlaw and Zeke contract were mistakes but if were a guessing man id say those wont bother near as much as the upcoming Dak contract because you like them. We arent scrapping this and starting over.

a coach like BB could do wonders with this team but then again he isnt available

Dak is playing with virtual perfection around him. Romo played for years behind garbage truck offensive linemen.

Romo made multimillionaires out of average at best receivers. Crayton, Robinson, Austin, Hurd, TWill. They've got massive bank accounts despite being not much better than Cedric Wilson.

Dak does none of that. He drives that very talented bus, which has a perfect running back, perfect offensive line, and wonderful group of receivers. One or two guys go down, and Dak can't move it against the Jets.

 

[OmerV]

OmerV, you make a good point but let me ask you this very straightforward question.
If you are the Bears, do you honestly expect to give Mitch a second contract? Be 100% honest on this. The Bears know they drafted a dud and will not under any circumstances pay that man. The Bears will be smart his offseason and trade for Foles. The Bears are built to win now.
Again I just want to repeat, I am not anti Dak. I was just stating there will be a lot of QB movement this off season, and we don't even know who will retire. Dak is a hot commodity for the Cowboys as an asset. I would be comfortable paying him we had a dynamic coach.. I am hoping Moore stays long term...

Trubisky is controlled by the Bears through 2021, so I don't think they would make the choice to replace him next year. They have time to see how things play out with him. They may well draft a QB next year, but not in the first few rounds. I doubt they will trade for Foles either. He is over priced based on the 2017 playoffs. That level of play has not been consistent through his career.

 

[ryanbabs]

I'd take Dak Prescott over 80% of NFL QB's playing in the league right now. He is not an issue currently.

I agree. Apparently some of us have well forgotten the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutchinson/Drew Henson/Ryan Leaf years. Probably missed a couple other duds too...

 

[CouchCoach]

What is unknown at this time is the effect of the QB's in this upcoming draft weighed against what a team has right now or in the near future. Does Tua or Burrow or Herbert or Fromm or Hurts get a GM to move on them and is the glow dimmed a little on Lawrence for 2021?

The problem the Cowboys have is that Prescott has been good enough. Good enough that they can't take a chance on a rookie QB that may be perceived to have a greater upside. He's durable, tough, a leader, well liked and works hard so how do they let that go in hopes of landing a QB the likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson or the next Mahomes? Tua looks like the next Mahomes but what if he isn't? What if he's not surrounded by 5 star players in the NFL? Same goes for Hurts, he's been surrounded by 5 stars on two different offenses.

We talk about Prescott has to be surrounded but just how many QB's do we think don't need that to be successful?

 

[starfan1]

Dak is playing with virtual perfection around him. Romo played for years behind garbage truck offensive linemen.

Romo made multimillionaires out of average at best receivers. Crayton, Robinson, Austin, Hurd, TWill. They've got massive bank accounts despite being not much better than Cedric Wilson.

Dak does none of that. He drives that very talented bus, which has a perfect running back, perfect offensive line, and wonderful group of receivers. One or two guys go down, and Dak can't move it against the Jets.

Lol have a good day sir you’re just trolling now with that nonsense

 

[Dallasfann]

John Gruden does not like him. It's actually not a big secret.

Uhh... okay he doesn't like him but he is playing good this year...so they release him? Trade him? What's the play here.

 

[CouchCoach]

Uhh... okay he doesn't like him but he is playing good this year...so they release him? Trade him? What's the play here.

Probably the same as Mack, he didn't dislike Mack or Cooper, he was looking for draft capital to jumpstart the rebuild. Carr has shown enough that he might get a first for him.

If a GM has the team but not the QB, Carr could fix that better than most of the QB's in this draft. Gruden's problem is his team is doing just well enough to keep him out of the QB draft, which could be 4 of the top 5 picks this go around.

 

[Sammy]

Trade him for who Andy Dalton or Marcus Mariota? Would that make you happy? Jerry would be an absolute idiot to trade him away for a QB who’s flamed out. Just another anyone but Dak thread.

Andy Dalton just got benched by the Bengals. Rookie taking over for the rest of the season. So he'll be available.

 

[Sarge]

Agreed, but is he an issue at $35 million per year?

no.

 

[KJJ]

Andy Dalton just got benched by the Bengals. Rookie taking over for the rest of the season. So he'll be available.

I’m sure he will be available and we’ll see one thread after another with idiots wanting him over Dak.

 

[dckid]

Trubisky is controlled by the Bears through 2021, so I don't think they would make the choice to replace him next year. They have time to see how things play out with him. They may well draft a QB next year, but not in the first few rounds. I doubt they will trade for Foles either. He is over priced based on the 2017 playoffs. That level of play has not been consistent through his career.

Yes I agree Trubisky is controlled by the Bears but I do not think he gets his 5th year option like Winston or Mariotta. Teams are much smarter now they were even 5 years ago. Bears will not give him a 2nd contract. The GM will be fired in Chicago unless they find a QB. I could see Keenum, Winston or Foles going to Chicago. If I'm the Bears i would prefer Foles, then either Winston or Keenum.
I again want to say, I want to keep Dak. I cant understand what is taking so long. As many football insiders have said, almost every current QB contract will be considered a bargain in 3 years.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I would trade for Foles.....

 

[CouchCoach]

Garrett doesn't count against the cap. Romo was the offense essentially. Health aside, he played to his cap number and beyond.

We're about to pay Dak more money than Aaron Rodgers. That is the definition of ridiculous. Dak doesn't carry teams.

They're about to pay him the going rate for a QB1 and that has little to do with Rodgers except that he just bumped it with his last deal.

They also have promoted him and sold him hard to the fans, what can they do now, let him walk? The Joneses are terrible at keeping their mouths shut and constantly have to be selling the stars. If you polled the agents about their favorite FO's to negotiate with, I'd bet the Cowboys would come in first. Might take a little time but they blink too often and also while their mouths are moving, just like ventriloquist dummies. Jeff Dunham needs to create a new character, Booger and the Glory Hole.

 

[KJJ]

We need to get Dak signed so we can put an end to all these castoffs being mentioned as his replacement. Every QB that flames out for another team gets brought up here to replace Dak. Can’t be a dumber fan base than this one.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

Agreed, but is he an issue at $35 million per year?

That is the price for good starting QBs in this league. In two years, $35 million will probably be a bargain. Mahomes will get more the $40 million.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

I agree. Apparently some of us have well forgotten the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutchinson/Drew Henson/Ryan Leaf years. Probably missed a couple other duds too...

Yeah, you missed a few.

Anthony Wright
Cliff Stoerner
Brad Johnson
Stephen Mcgee
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden
Matt Cassel

You could even argue that John Kitna and Randall Cunningham sucked when they played for us.

 

[OmerV]

Yes I agree Trubisky is controlled by the Bears but I do not think he gets his 5th year option like Winston or Mariotta. Teams are much smarter now they were even 5 years ago. Bears will not give him a 2nd contract. The GM will be fired in Chicago unless they find a QB. I could see Keenum, Winston or Foles going to Chicago. If I'm the Bears i would prefer Foles, then either Winston or Keenum.
I again want to say, I want to keep Dak. I cant understand what is taking so long. As many football insiders have said, almost every current QB contract will be considered a bargain in 3 years.

I don't necessarily think he will get the 5th year option either - certainly he will have to show improvement for that to be a consideration. I just think that buys the Bears some time to see how Trubisky develops, therefore they will not rush to make an immediate change. I certainly think they will want to see if their young, high draft pick can develop before considering retreads like Foles, Winston and Keenum.

The Dak situation is interesting. It's hard to know what the holdup is.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

QB is not a major need for the Cowboys. Dak Prescott is not one of the problems the Cowboys must address.

29th in the Red Zone last season.
3 pts at the half vs the Pack and Jets.
10 points only vs a Saints team without Brees.
Still has accuracy and pocket issues and many more flaws.
1-9 when Zeke has under 75 yards rushing.

Ya as Jerry is the GM guess you're correct we are a set at QB.....