QB garbage time passing yardage 2025

No. That is not what is happening there. You seem to forget that there are two sides to garbage time. You're not reading between the lines and understanding that Goff's numbers came in good garbage time and he is not being "penalized".

No, that is not correct. I am certain that a ten point lead going into the fourth does not meet the criteria the author used for garbage time. i.e. the 95% win/lose criteria.

No. That's not the way it works. The criteria is the same for all teams. The probabilities are based on history and have nothing to do with individual characteristics of the teams on the field.
So if let’s say the Jets are up 10 against the Chiefs going into the 4th….they would give the Chiefs the same probability as they would the Titans to come back down 10? If so I stand corrected I thought probability odds was dependent on who actually was playing.
 
Your bullying isn't really making a good impression....personal insults aren't allowed. And before you say it..no i did not personally insult you, just your comment.

A lot of assumptions in your personal attack. Do you realize you are showing everyone what a hypocrite you are....some sort of (blatantly false) idea that I attacked you...by multiple (REAL) personal attacks on me. Hmm...exposed yet again!

And I will politely and civilly answer your question. I didn't see any other comment about it. What...you think you are SO special I picked you instead of them? Didn't see them...just yours. I stand by what I said. It's a dumb comment...no matter who says it.

It's such a popular saying, I just answered it in a crossword puzzle. I suppose the author is a Dak Hater, eh?

Instead of just admitting it was a silly off hand comment, maybe even (get this!) explaining your position...you go on personal attack. THAT...is a PERFECT example of the weak.
He ain’t bullying nobody.
 
No, neither scenario would be a 95% win/loss probability. A 10 point lead going into the 4th is going to be around 70-75% win probability, maybe close to 80% if the team with the lead is in the red zone. The whole point of this is that a 95% win probability means that games are well out of reach and it takes one of the bigger comebacks in history to change the outcome.

I really don't think this is a knock on Goff, but for gamblers and fantasy players this is significant information as its not likely to be replicated. Goff is a guy we should probably expect to see a regression in his numbers for 2025 for a variety of reasons. On the other hand I look at a guy like Purdy who played on a bad team but only racked up 11% of his yards under these parameters and would assume the law of averages may give him a slight bump for this year.
Are we sure though? Are we sure what they are considering garbage time?

And it is interesting Purdy isn’t higher because watching the 49ers play they were always losing but losing not by enough I guess.
 
So if let’s say the Jets are up 10 against the Chiefs going into the 4th….they would give the Chiefs the same probability as they would the Titans to come back down 10? If so I stand corrected I thought probability odds was dependent on who actually was playing.
Sort of....Its not about a specific team, but they do factor in the vegas line. Even that however is faded out as the game goes on. For example if you have a 7 point spread that will be fully factored into the win percentage model to start the game, and it decreases as the game goes on. So at half time it would be .5x7, start of the 4th quarter its .25x7, etc until you get down to the final minutes when it almost always becomes essentially zero.

If you really want to nerd out over sports stats it all is based on a book from Wayne Winston called Mathletics. Interesting read. Some stuff you'll agree with, some you'll get angry about as it leaves out the human element, but it will get you thinking differently about certain topics.
 
So if let’s say the Jets are up 10 against the Chiefs going into the 4th….they would give the Chiefs the same probability as they would the Titans to come back down 10? If so I stand corrected I thought probability odds was dependent on who actually was playing.
That is correct. It would be practically impossible to determine point in time winning probability accounting for each teams characteristics since one key injury could drastically alter the equation in a split second. Even the advanced stats nerds might have a hard time keeping up.
 
Your bullying isn't really making a good impression....personal insults aren't allowed. And before you say it..no i did not personally insult you, just your comment.

A lot of assumptions in your personal attack. Do you realize you are showing everyone what a hypocrite you are....some sort of (blatantly false) idea that I attacked you...by multiple (REAL) personal attacks on me. Hmm...exposed yet again!

And I will politely and civilly answer your question. I didn't see any other comment about it. What...you think you are SO special I picked you instead of them? Didn't see them...just yours. I stand by what I said. It's a dumb comment...no matter who says it.

It's such a popular saying, I just answered it in a crossword puzzle. I suppose the author is a Dak Hater, eh?

Instead of just admitting it was a silly off hand comment, maybe even (get this!) explaining your position...you go on personal attack. THAT...is a PERFECT example of the weak.
Oh, no...I see Generic is at it again. That dude is of his rocker, for sure! Coo Coo as hell.
 
That is correct. It would be practically impossible to determine point in time winning probability accounting for each teams characteristics since one key injury could drastically alter the equation in a split second. Even the advanced stats nerds might have a hard time keeping up.
Well I was thinking it’s like how betting stats change the odds based on the score and betting odds before the game. I stand corrected.
He was 12th... and they outlined percentage of total. He was on par with most listed (21%). SMH... So confident... so wrong!
yeah that and the “if he played 17;games” argument while not acknowledging others didn’t play 17 games is nasty business lol.
 
Yeah but if the opposing team is trying to stop them…..
I think there is a difference though. The Lions blew us out and kept just about their entire starting team in the game. There was no need to do that, as we couldn’t stop a nosebleed that game. Now look at both Eagle games. The Eagles were pulling starters by the 4th because they knew (probably) that we had no chance of winning either game. If Barkley played the 4th in both games he probably gets 200+ rushing both games.
 
I think there is a difference though. The Lions blew us out and kept just about their entire starting team in the game. There was no need to do that, as we couldn’t stop a nosebleed that game. Now look at both Eagle games. The Eagles were pulling starters by the 4th because they knew (probably) that we had no chance of winning either game. If Barkley played the 4th in both games he probably gets 200+ rushing both games.
Plus if you're up by two scores or more late in a game defenses are expecting runs and high percentage passes to keep the clock moving. You can really take advantage of play action and exploit matchups as you're likely to get more man coverage on the outside as those safeties are more aggressive cheating down in the box.

I have no issue with Detroit doing that. They have the personnel to pull it off so go for it, but its certainly a different scenario than in tight games where you have to play things more straight up.
 
I think there is a difference though. The Lions blew us out and kept just about their entire starting team in the game. There was no need to do that, as we couldn’t stop a nosebleed that game. Now look at both Eagle games. The Eagles were pulling starters by the 4th because they knew (probably) that we had no chance of winning either game. If Barkley played the 4th in both games he probably gets 200+ rushing both games.
Yeah now the Cowboys game they lit us up for sure. That for sure was garbage nonsense we tapped out.

Eagles game unless I’m confusing games Barkley played into the 4th didn’t he?
 
Yeah now the Cowboys game they lit us up for sure. That for sure was garbage nonsense we tapped out.

Eagles game unless I’m confusing games Barkley played into the 4th didn’t he?
I was curious so I looked up the stats for both games. Barkley played 51% of the snaps in the first game (only had 14 carries) and 75% in the second game. The first game he didn't, and the second game they are showing snaps for the 3rd string guy, so if he did play in the 4th that game it wasn't much. Eagles pulled Hurts in the first game and pulled Pickett in the second, so they weren't trying to run up the score.
 


Keep in mind the Cowboys starting QB missed 9 games last year.

Wow.
The NFL is working hard to sell underachievers to the fans.
They keep stat lines on everything.
It used to be that the only stat that mattered was the Won/Lost stat.
Now the only stat that matters is what team draws fans who will spend the most money.
There should be a Taylor Swift category.
 
Agree or disagree with the entire garbage time concept as you wish, but the stats given are factual, based on clearly defined parameters.
I agree it’s likely factual but it is really only based on 1 parameter. If the author is suggesting a measure of garbage (padded) stats, I’m not sure using a 95% win rate as the only parameter to determine when garbage time begins is very useful.

I assume a 95% win rate threshold can be reached at any point in the game and therefore using the authors parameter, garbage time could begin at any point in the game as well. I’m not sure I agree if judging the meaningfulness of stats.
 
Come on, 25 points, Dak has a hard time at coming back from 6 points. :muttley:
Dak Prescott now has 23 comeback wins when tied or trailing in the fourth quarter. That’s fifth most since 2016. straight from google..

We're talking about playoff games the San Francisco game kind of hard to come back from six points down when your offensive line has 11 penalties and you're playing at like 1st and 25 almost half the drives every time they turned around they call a playback and that they keep starting over you know how hard it is to play behind the chains against a defense like the San Francisco 49ers bring their playoff playing a great team and you have 14 penalties in the trenches 11 by your line and no run game they're not scared of anything because all they got to do is bring 4, stop the run on the way to the quarterback. and there's nowhere to throw because they're playing the max zone... Don't get me started on a lack of separation rates by most of our targets other than lamb I'm not sure how good he is either in those moments because all they got to do is double him and there's nobody else to throw to... When they are finally open you got guys like Noah brown having them bounce right off his hands and having an interception blamed on his quarterback.​

I get some of what you say is facetious, I mean I saw some comebacks,

I remember the New England game in New England a couple years back Prescott tied the game to get it into overtime one throw the CD lamb game over touchdown.....

there's been plenty of those moments but you need your team to play well not giving credit just to the quarterback or criticizing just the quarterback when you can't do things like that because there's a whole lot that goes on in those games....
 
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