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It's hard to put together a complete team while you're paying a Quarterback 18+ million per year.

We've seen a lot of success with teams that build teams and draft young talented quarterbacks and are able to have success during their rookie contracts.

Outside of having success in that rookie contract, star quarterbacks immediately impede the ability of a team to win a super bowl, and at the very least must produce at a top level to warrant the investment.

The Seahawks won the Super Bowl last year and returned to it this year. However, soon they'll need to pay Russell Wilson, and that will come at a detriment to their defense.

You can see the same thing with the Ravens and the 49ers. You can see it with the Falcons, you can even see it with the Saints. And you can definitely see it with the Bears. You can also see it with the Chiefs.

That brings me to Tony Romo. Tony Romo is the 8th highest paid quarterback in the NFL and last year he was the highest rated quarterback in the NFL... that's really good value. Aaron Rodgers isn't 4 million dollars a year better than Tony Romo.

The Chiefs are paying Alex Smith 17 million dollars a year, one less than Romo... They aren't going to win with that formula. Matt Stafford gets almost as much as Romo does. The Lions aren't going to win with that formula.

Phillip Rivers is a very underrated and underpaid QB, if he goes somewhere and keeps his contract demands similar to what they are now, and the team is better built. He'll probably win a super bowl before he retires. He shouldn't stay in San Diego, just as Drew Brees was fortunate not to stay.

The problem is always balance, and high paid QBs destroy that balance. It's much more difficult to put an offense together than a defense, because on offense you need a QB, and any QB that stays with you more than their rookie deal is probably going to cost you a lot whether they are great or not.

The best part of putting together a defense is not overpaying defensive players. You have a smart defensive coordinator and you give them time and resources to implement their system, and they'll give you a top 10 defense. Period. Point Blank. And generally, as long as you don't overload on offense, defenses can be good in perpetuity.

We're far away from that, but what we can do for the rest of the Romo era is invest in the defense. We can avoid drafting a quarterback too early, who will sit for a long time, and then only have a couple years before their expense hurts the team. You have to time it right.


In 2009 the Seahawks were the 25th ranked defense in the NFL. In 2010 they were the 25th ranked defense in the NFL.

Pete Carroll turned that team around (though I've lost all respect for him none the less)

He brought in Gus Bradley to be defensive coordinator. The thing is, they didn't just go signing the best free agent defensive players out there. No... In 2013 it should be noted that they were 14th in the league in defensive spending... They were 12th in 2014.

The Cowboys were 28th this year... and yet we ranked 15th in points allowed...

Part of the problem is all the dead money we've been dealing with and the missed draft choices, but we have an opportunity to turn the corner, and we should be excited about it.

We're going to have to pay Dez, but outside of that, we shouldn't break the bank for anyone. Not for Murray, not for Suh..., not for anyone.

The Seahawks just resigned Sherman and Thomas who are now their highest paid players, but they aren't breaking the bank for players either.

The reality is that we haven't drafted well enough on defense to not bring in free agents early on. We need to sign some nice 3-4 year contracts with some free agents this year as we restart this defensive rebuild.

What that means however is that we need to be able to afford those players, and the cuts need to come from offense. It needs to come from Doug Free and it needs to come from Murray.
 

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Outside of having success in that rookie contract, star quarterbacks immediately impede the ability of a team to win a super bowl...
Didn't Tom Brady just win the Super Bowl ?

Didn't Payton Manning play in the Super Bowl last year ?

The Seahawks don't appear to have had an inordinate amount of non-QB's with massive contracts. It does not appear that the extra cap space from having cheap QB was really a big factor in their success.
 

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Didn't Tom Brady just win the Super Bowl ?

Didn't Payton Manning play in the Super Bowl last year ?

The Seahawks don't appear to have had an inordinate amount of non-QB's with massive contracts. It does not appear that the extra cap space from having cheap QB was really a big factor in their success.


Tom Brady takes a lot less than the top market value for a QB. And Peyton Manning does as well, especially last year compared to this year.
 

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i mean this with no disrespect but.."whats your point?''

My point that we need to utilize Tony Romo as best as possible and position him and a replacement quarterback as best as possible.

These involve doing the exact same thing. Build a defense. That is the number one priority moving forward.

You don't want to draft a quarterback now, because one it isn't helping the defense, and by the time Romo retires, you're going to instantly have to pay this guy if he is any good. That new contract will wreck the balance of the team.

We need to spend the next 3-4 years focusing in large part on the defense. That will help Romo, and it will help the new kid when we draft him. A new QB will come into this team with all the pieces in place. And we'll be able to afford to keep everything in place for another 3-4 years, by not having to pay that rookie much.
 

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I think that most QBs that are not top tier are making too much money. Russell Wilson is likely to be one of them next season.

That is also my point.

I believe that the best formula to win is to have a great team with a young yet talented quarterback on a rookie contract who is somewhat in a bus driver position.

They would still have Dez Bryant which helps a ton though.

A lot of people want to draft a QB right now, but they don't realize that if Rodgers had sat for another year or two, Green Bay probably would never have won a super bowl.
 

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That is also my point.

I believe that the best formula to win is to have a great team with a young yet talented quarterback on a rookie contract who is somewhat in a bus driver position.
It would be, but unfortunately hall of fame QBs destroy that team regularly.

They would still have Dez Bryant which helps a ton though.

A lot of people want to draft a QB right now, but they don't realize that if Rodgers had sat for another year or two, Green Bay probably would never have won a super bowl.

There aren't many draftable prospects this year. The 2016 draft is definitely where the Cowboys should be looking to draft Romo's replacement.

Honestly, do you want to be great for another ten years? Tank when a great QB once in a generation is available or pick one in a QB rich draft.
 

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It would be, but unfortunately hall of fame QBs destroy that team regularly.



There aren't many draftable prospects this year. The 2016 draft is definitely where the Cowboys should be looking to draft Romo's replacement.

Honestly, do you want to be great for another ten years? Tank when a great QB once in a generation is available or pick one in a QB rich draft.


Is that what happened last year when the Seahawks beat the Broncos?

Things have changed a lot in the free agent era and the salary cap era...
 

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I believe that the best formula to win is to have a great team with a young yet talented quarterback on a rookie contract who is somewhat in a bus driver position.

How many Superbowls have been won using that method?

Seahawks come to mind of course, but what is the percentage of SB wins in your scenario?
 

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I see you point, but I would also add that this scenario has exception in both directions...on one side, you have your Wilson's so you can build around a highly functioning QB....on the other side, you have your Brady's who seems to always be in the mix (I will always label them cheaters, but if you can get away with that crap, why wouldn't you?)

Smack dab in the middle you have Dallas who is building their team around a young OL...they send their money on their QB, yes, but they focused on his protection.

I personally a not a big believer in Wilson...great guy, but he is successful because of his defense and running game....let's see how Seattle starts to diminish since they have to pay the QB and RB now
 

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How many Superbowls have been won using that method?

Seahawks come to mind of course, but what is the percentage of SB wins in your scenario?

When analyzing future trends you have to look at the makeup of the future, not just the past.

New QB money is bankrupting teams. How many of the teams that are doing things that way are actually winning super bowls...

You have to look at success rate as well, not just super bowls.
 

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Tom Brady takes a lot less than the top market value for a QB. And Peyton Manning does as well, especially last year compared to this year.

Manning cap hits:
2013 17.5
2014 17.5
2015 21.5

It's not as if Seattle bought their way to the Super Bowl if you look at their roster. Their big additions were Bennett and Avril in 2013 and they signed relatively cheap contracts that year.
 

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There aren't many draftable prospects this year. The 2016 draft is definitely where the Cowboys should be looking to draft Romo's replacement.

Honestly, do you want to be great for another ten years? Tank when a great QB once in a generation is available or pick one in a QB rich draft.

Tanking is never the answer
 

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When analyzing future trends you have to look at the makeup of the future, not just the past.

New QB money is bankrupting teams. How many of the teams that are doing things that way are actually winning super bowls...

You have to look at success rate as well, not just super bowls.

Trying to react to supposed trends is what used to get JJones in trouble.

Switching to the 3-4, needing a second WR with RWill, investing in shutdown CB with Ashmonga, Carr and Claiborne

QBs have always made big money and always will. The difference between a 17m QB and a 10m QB is one defensive star
 
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