QB pressures, their impact on passer rating and FAs

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RingOfHonor88 said:
Better than the person pulling a straw man out of his ***. That hasn't been uttered in this thread anywhere. Coming from you though, it isn't surprising.
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What the heck are you talking about? If you've got something to say then say it. Don't be coy, you're not going to hurt my feelings bubba... although it appears I may have hurt yours. :)
 
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Can some elaborate on what counts as a pressure. If you come around the end and the qb moves up into the pocket does that count? How about when you dive at the qb and he side steps and throws a completed pass. Does that count? Or how about when you beat the center but you get tripped up and fall at the qbs feet and he has to take a step back to pass? It's very ambiguous to me what counts as a "pressure"
 
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LocimusPrime said:
Can some elaborate on what counts as a pressure. If you come around the end and the qb moves up into the pocket does that count? How about when you dive at the qb and he side steps and throws a completed pass. Does that count? Or how about when you beat the center but you get tripped up and fall at the qbs feet and he has to take a step back to pass? It's very ambiguous to me what counts as a "pressure"
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lol. The best pressure is when the QB is hit and gets up and stumbles to the wrong sideline.lol the next best pressure is when the sizzle QB goes straight to the hospital!!! Best pressure is when they go to the flaming Morgue!!!
 

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mrtxstar said:
"Pressures are much better than sacks"... says the loser making excuses for not getting as many sacks. :rolleyes:
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Not necessarily

Cowboys were 13th in sacks. They were bottom 5 in total pressures. Flip that and we're SB champions!
 
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Gameover said:
Not necessarily

Cowboys were 13th in sacks. They were bottom 5 in total pressures. Flip that and were SB champions!
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That's moronic. If those 2 stats were flipped and the Cowboys were 13th in pressures, we still have 12 other teams with more pressures and two of those teams are Atlanta and Seattle. Only one team can represent the NFC in the SB.
 

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mrtxstar said:
That's moronic. If those 2 stats were flipped and the Cowboys were 13th in pressures, we still have 12 other teams with more pressures and two of those teams are Atlanta and Seattle. Only one team can represent the NFC in the SB.
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We were better than those 2 teams in every other area(Atlanta may have more firepower) if we were able to put more heat on the QB we would've gone further
 
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Gameover said:
We were better than those 2 teams in every other area(Atlanta may have more firepower) if we were able to put more heat on the QB we would've gone further
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You don't know that. That's why they play the games.
 

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mrtxstar said:
You don't know that. That's why they play the games.
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I don't think it would've hurt our chances!

Atlanta had 122 QB pressures

New England had 109

Cowboys had 81

Seattle had 84 btw. one of the reasons why they need a big draft to remain a playoff team imo.

Hurries >> Sacks(to some degree)
 
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mrtxstar said:
"Pressures are much better than sacks"... says the loser making excuses for not getting as many sacks. :rolleyes:
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I would rather have a pressure, if it is actually the definition of a pressure, lead to an INT than have a sack.
 
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Deep_Freeze said:
I would rather have a pressure, if it is actually the definition of a pressure, lead to an INT than have a sack.
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Sacks can lead to turn overs too but a sack always ends the play with the opponent losing yardage. With pressure, bad things can still happen like when Aaron Rodgers ended our season while our D was applying pressure. No sir, I'd rather have the sack.
 
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mrtxstar said:
Sacks can lead to turn overs too but a sack always ends the play with the opponent losing yardage. With pressure, bad things can still happen like when Aaron Rodgers ended our season while our D was applying pressure. No sir, I'd rather have the sack.
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ok maybe you became a fan last year, opposing teams can be at 3 and 25 vs Dallas and still get the first down. Any long time Cowboys fan does not need the sack. Ok yes, sacks are better than pressures. this goes back to defending Spencer who a lot of fans could not accept was not as great as he was in their minds. Good teams do want the sacks. Cowboy fans just take note to how much the opposing team needs for the first down.

If anyone tries to argue the fact, just post the video of the cowboys defense chasing down McNabb like the Keystone cops while he writes Haiku and still makes the play while autographing Cowboy helmets. There is still 5 Cowboy Helmets each with a word "McNabb got the first down"
 
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Sacks can lead to turn overs too but a sack always ends the play with the opponent losing yardage. With pressure, bad things can still happen like when Aaron Rodgers ended our season while our D was applying pressure. No sir, I'd rather have the sack.
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Again, it depends on the definition of pressure.

If I shoot a dude in the arm, was that attempted murder or did I miss on purpose. All about the definition and agenda. Whoever makes up the definition of pressure isn't up to me, but if he is right on him and causes the QB to just throw it up for no reason, thats a pressure to me.

Of course I know, if I was counting pressures I would have far less of them than these 'stats' say.
 
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Again, it depends on the definition of pressure.

If I shoot a dude in the arm, was that attempted murder or did I miss on purpose. All about the definition and agenda. Whoever makes up the definition of pressure isn't up to me, but if he is right on him and causes the QB to just throw it up for no reason, thats a pressure to me.

Of course I know, if I was counting pressures I would have far less of them than these 'stats' say.
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If you shoot a dude in the arm, you didn't "miss". Putting pressures on a QB has a definition - when you don't allow the QB to stand in the pocket and methodically go through his progressions until he finds the open receiver.
 
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LocimusPrime said:
Sacks are the best. Pressure is good
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To be fair in my book, interceptions are best. you have the ball. We have been mis led by watching this team give up big yards so opposing teams can get firs downs, but with the interception, it just used to give us a big chance to give it back.
 
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