CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

[Section446]

Dak, the modern-day Dilfer.

 

[75boyz]

I don't know what you were telling me to read because some kind of sign up sheet and political stuff popped up.

Just go ahead and give me the rundown yourself my man.

How many 1000 yd rushers in 12 seasons did Stafford have?

ONE.
An older Reggie Bush.
IN 6 of those seasons the most RB contribution Stafford got was approx.600 yards.
In his last season in Detroit, a 35 yr old Adrian Peterson had 604 yds.

Now...
What does Dak's win/loss record and career in general look like without run support?

Fast forward to last year.
He again has no RB1 support as Akers is lost for the year.
He gets an impressive 43 yds worth of ground support in the SB.

Now coaching?
You mean the likes of Linehan as his OC or 0-16 Marinelli as his HC in Detroit.

So in one year under decent coaching without a ground game again, he won a ring.

Just talk to me about how Dak would look without run support then I'll know if you're even capable of being honest.

 

[Hadenough]

Based on what? If you say bc his team won the super bowl just don’t respond bc you clearly didn’t watch the game and see his numbers.

Staffords winning percentage against winning teams for career is under 20% and they have comparable numbers in their best seasons.

Stafford has been with a terrible Lions team his whole career. He's been managing a bad back for the last 3-4 seasons. Never had a running game and other than Megatron didn't have much for WRs. In the SB he made just a few key throws that won that SB. Those are what doesn't show up on the stat sheet that Dak never seems to do in the playoffs.

 

[GINeric]

I disagree..

Dak wins the games we’re supposed to win and rarely wins the games we are supposed to lose.

Rush can do exactly that.

Well if Rush was that special to win games he is supposed to lose as the leader of the offense.... why has he been released multiple times from the active squad??? Why was he released from the Giants practice squad???

Why is he still a backup at the age of 28??? Do you think 29 or 30 other GMs missed the ball on Rush??? Apparently all these scouts and GMs don't see what you see huh....

 

[Hadenough]

Dak isn't the only quarterback with a max dollar contract.

With that said, other than Brady, Mahomes and Allen.... WHO is playing consistently on a level to justify their contracts.

As a matter of fact, there are other quarterbacks who've played 6 full seasons like Dak did, had minimal playoff success like Dak did, and didn't have any Superbowl wins or appearances like Dak hasn't. But their careers turned out just fine and some managed to make it to the Hall of Fame..... after having minimal success in their first 5,6, or 7 seasons.

Its amazing how they're not brought up or nobody talked about how their teams should have given up on them like some claim Dallas should give up on Dak.

People act like Dak isn't a good quarterback and its hilarious to read too. Dak isn't elite, but he's very good.

Like I said before.... being an elite quarterback doesn't guarantee you a Superbowl ring. There are MANY non elite quarterbacks that have proven that.

My problem with Dak is he is just good enough to prevent the Cowboys from finding another QB. The only saving grace is his salary may be why they get rid of him. if you remember Alex Smith he was a good QB but not good enough to get KC a ring and Reid knew it and got rid of him. The Eagles and Rams got rid of Goff and Wentz. Miami got rid of Tannehill. Washington got rid of Cousins. SF drafted a QB to move on from Jimmy G even though he is a decent QB. Raiders will be moving on from Carr. Your never going to have the perfect team and should always be looking and rolling the dice on QBs until you find that special guy. You shouldnt be content for Cousins or Tannehill 2.0
There is major problem in the NFL and it started with Cousins. In no way should the slightly above avg QB be making any where near what the elite QBs make. And what makes me sick is Dak thinks he is worth it.

 

[75boyz]

My problem with Dak is he is just good enough to prevent the Cowboys from finding another QB. The only saving grace is his salary may be why they get rid of him. if you remember Alex Smith he was a good QB but not good enough to get KC a ring and Reid knew it and got rid of him. The Eagles and Rams got rid of Goff and Wentz. Miami got rid of Tannehill. Washington got rid of Cousins. SF drafted a QB to move on from Jimmy G even though he is a decent QB. Raiders will be moving on from Carr. Your never going to have the perfect team and should always be looking and rolling the dice on QBs until you find that special guy. You shouldnt be content for Cousins or Tannehill 2.0
There is major problem in the NFL and it started with Cousins. In no way should the slightly above avg QB be making any where near what the elite QBs make. And what makes me sick is Dak thinks he is worth it.

Great post.

 

[Hadenough]

Thess are great points... but what's confusing about this notion is.... Aaron Rodgers is considered one of the best quarterbacks ever. But he's only won one Superbowl and he doesn't have the phenomenal performances in the playoffs.

What should I make of this???

Good point! Rodgers is getting old and on the downside of his career. And he looked like crap against the 49ers.
Until a few years ago that team leaned solely on his arm and they finally have somewhat of a running game. He has won a LOT of playoff games so I would say he has had a great career even though he could only make it over the hump and get 1 ring. I think GB made a mistake giving him 150 mil for 3 years because they couldn't afford to keep D Adams or Ledarius Smith. He's too old now.

 

[cnuball21]

Too funny,
See post #148.

Do much better.

Hit me back with "an honest discussion" of what Daks career wins vs losses would be with and without a run game.

Then carry it forward to Stafford's losing Akers for the whole year last year and even that whopping 43 yds of run dominance support he got in the Super Bowl.

The comparison data point is Dak "without" a run game.

I'm sure your fully honest response to this with no deflections, diversions or excuses is definitely what I should expect.

Losing Akers for the season? Who cares…dude can’t even hold down a starting job and might get traded. He’s a JAG.

We didn’t have much of a run game last year and Dak basically had the same numbers as Stafford.

 

[cnuball21]

Blah blah blah.. Stafford is a way better talent than Dak. Everyone outside of a Cowboys forum knows it.

Says who? Again, based on what?

You also said Stafford isn’t that good this year and is done. You realize his entire OL is on the injury list and he’s playing with backups right? Your football evaluation is just getting better by the minute.

 

[cnuball21]

Stafford has been with a terrible Lions team his whole career. He's been managing a bad back for the last 3-4 seasons. Never had a running game and other than Megatron didn't have much for WRs. In the SB he made just a few key throws that won that SB. Those are what doesn't show up on the stat sheet that Dak never seems to do in the playoffs.

No, if Dak threw 2 picks in a playoff game and had a sub 90 QBR he’d get murdered on here it wouldn’t be “he made key throws.”

 

[CATCH17]

Says who? Again, based on what?

You also said Stafford isn’t that good this year and is done. You realize his entire OL is on the injury list and he’s playing with backups right? Your football evaluation is just getting better by the minute.

Staffords arm is noticeably weaker than previous years. The fact his Oline sucks has nothing to do with it.

Listen, if you want to think Dak is better than Stafford than be my guest but anyone that knows football will tell you that isn’t true. It might be true now with Stafford being old but on the past he’s always been better than Dak.

 

[CATCH17]

Well if Rush was that special to win games he is supposed to lose as the leader of the offense.... why has he been released multiple times from the active squad??? Why was he released from the Giants practice squad???

Why is he still a backup at the age of 28??? Do you think 29 or 30 other GMs missed the ball on Rush??? Apparently all these scouts and GMs don't see what you see huh....

No I think Rush can win games with the same formula that Dak can win games with.

It’s the system in place that’s carrying the QB. We don’t have a QB that carries the system like Romo had to.

 

[CATCH17]

Dak isn't the only quarterback with a max dollar contract.

With that said, other than Brady, Mahomes and Allen.... WHO is playing consistently on a level to justify their contracts.

As a matter of fact, there are other quarterbacks who've played 6 full seasons like Dak did, had minimal playoff success like Dak did, and didn't have any Superbowl wins or appearances like Dak hasn't. But their careers turned out just fine and some managed to make it to the Hall of Fame..... after having minimal success in their first 5,6, or 7 seasons.

Its amazing how they're not brought up or nobody talked about how their teams should have given up on them like some claim Dallas should give up on Dak.

People act like Dak isn't a good quarterback and its hilarious to read too. Dak isn't elite, but he's very good.

Like I said before.... being an elite quarterback doesn't guarantee you a Superbowl ring. There are MANY non elite quarterbacks that have proven that.

QBs tend to win their championships on rookie deals then get paid after.

It’s hard to win with a mediocre QB like Dak while paying him because you take roster hits elsewhere. It doesn’t help that the Jones’s won’t go for it like the Rams did last year too.

The same guys who say they’ll do anything to win a championship do absolutely nothing but there bare minimum.

Sign a few vet scrubs and hope a rookie class improves the previous years team.

 

[cnuball21]

Staffords arm is noticeably weaker than previous years. The fact his Oline sucks has nothing to do with it.

Listen, if you want to think Dak is better than Stafford than be my guest but anyone that knows football will tell you that isn’t true. It might be true now with Stafford being old but on the past he’s always been better than Dak.

So after the Rams won the Super Bowl Staffords arm got weak and now he isn’t good and it has nothing to do with him playing with 2nd / 3rd string OLmen?

Geez.

 

[Risen Star]

I wouldn’t.

Well then you don't understand football.

Don't try to downplay the importance of the QB position simply because you know the Cowboys don't have a good one.

 

[Flamma]

My problem with Dak is he is just good enough to prevent the Cowboys from finding another QB. The only saving grace is his salary may be why they get rid of him. if you remember Alex Smith he was a good QB but not good enough to get KC a ring and Reid knew it and got rid of him. The Eagles and Rams got rid of Goff and Wentz. Miami got rid of Tannehill. Washington got rid of Cousins. SF drafted a QB to move on from Jimmy G even though he is a decent QB. Raiders will be moving on from Carr. Your never going to have the perfect team and should always be looking and rolling the dice on QBs until you find that special guy. You shouldnt be content for Cousins or Tannehill 2.0
There is major problem in the NFL and it started with Cousins. In no way should the slightly above avg QB be making any where near what the elite QBs make. And what makes me sick is Dak thinks he is worth it.

It's akin to extortion. Pay me, because what choice do you have? The QB position is not like other positions. The Giants are going to have to make a decision regarding Jones in the off season. Jones will not accept under market value coming off his rookie contract. If the Giants don't pay him, he'll play for around 10M for someone else trying to prove he's worth market value. You'll never see one of these QBs on rookie contracts take an extension way under market value.

 

[Ken]

QBs tend to win their championships on rookie deals then get paid after.

It’s hard to win with a mediocre QB like Dak while paying him because you take roster hits elsewhere. It doesn’t help that the Jones’s won’t go for it like the Rams did last year too.

The same guys who say they’ll do anything to win a championship do absolutely nothing but there bare minimum.

Sign a few vet scrubs and hope a rookie class improves the previous years team.

Mediocre qb.

So you basically have to suspend reality for this theory to fit, right?

 

[Rockport]

Well then you don't understand football.

Don't try to downplay the importance of the QB position simply because you know the Cowboys don't have a good one.

Cowboys have a good one in Dak.

 

[Miller]

It’s true! But there are franchise QBs that get paid to be franchise QBs and that includes wins in important situations. Not just Dak. It’s just the nature of the beast in the league.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Can Dak be a Tom Brady ?