CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

Bobhaze said:
I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?
  • Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
  • Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  • The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.
This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a
hero at QB to win a SB.
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Wish you would have told Beavis this prior to signing Dak to the big moolah.... i would get it if it was a true franchise QB, not a QB that you are stuck with and no alternative. "Caught over a barrel" should be on his tombstone.
 
Football is the "ultimate team game", many factors are involved in affecting the outcome. Offense, Defense & Special Teams are all important contributing factors to a team's success, but the QB is the most ESSENTIAL part of this equation. Granted a quarterback doesn't have to be elite to win a super bowl, but he must know how to MANAGE the game and MAKE PLAYS when his team needs it most. If the quarterback doesn't have that ability, then no matter how good the defense is, you are facing a tremendous uphill climb.
 
I agree it takes a team to win a SB. But the fact is that the QB is the most important position on the field. That is why it's very important to have a QB that can perform under pressure. Watching Mahomes and Allen in a regular season game and in the playoffs last year was an example of two QBs stepping up and playing well but unfortunately someone has to lose. Watching Dak and Jimmy G. I saw one QB managing the game to the best of his ability and making just enough plays to win the game. While Dak was getting confused and didn't know where to go with the ball at certain times and looking like he didn't trust his physical ability to throw the ball to a wr that only had one step on his guy. If Dak would play like he has against the WFT or Giants he would of won some playoff games but it's obvious his physical throwing ability is not consistently good enough against the better teams where coverage is tighter and he has less time because the pass rush is better.
 
CATCH17 said:
Yeah but Stafford is better than Dak.
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Based on what? If you say bc his team won the super bowl just don’t respond bc you clearly didn’t watch the game and see his numbers.

Staffords winning percentage against winning teams for career is under 20% and they have comparable numbers in their best seasons.
 
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cnuball21 said:
Based on what? If you say bc his team won the super bowl just don’t respond bc you clearly didn’t watch the game and see his numbers.

Staffords winning percentage against winning teams for career is under 20% and they have comparable numbers in their best seasons.
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This years Stafford is not that good. He looks old and done.

But everything else is just based on watching him play. He’s got more ability than Dak. It’s obvious.

Numbers are just a way of muddying up what’s clear on your tv screen. 1 guy has immense arm talent and the other doesn’t.
 
If honestly comparing Stafford and Prescott, Stafford had ONE 1,000 yd rusher in 12 seasons with Detroit. A slightly older Reggie Bush for a lone season. 6 of his 12 years the best rusher had approx. 600 yds. 35 year old Adrian Peterson had 604 yds as his leading rusher in Staffords last yr with the Lions.

Many here might want to consider what Dak's career win loss record and career in general would look like without run support.

So I guess there's that.
 
CATCH17 said:
This years Stafford is not that good. He looks old and done.

But everything else is just based on watching him play. He’s got more ability than Dak. It’s obvious.

Numbers are just a way of muddying up what’s clear on your tv screen. 1 guy has immense arm talent and the other doesn’t.
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So you’re going on the “eye test” instead of the million facts and pieces of data that are out there and easily accessible? I’m sure as a Cowboys fan you’ve watched a ton of Stafford tape.

Goodness gracious man…it’s 2022. Do better.
 
75boyz said:
If honestly comparing Stafford and Prescott, Stafford had ONE 1,000 yd rusher in 12 seasons with Detroit. A slightly older Reggie Bush for a lone season. 6 of his 12 years the best rusher had approx. 600 yds. 35 year old Adrian Peterson had 604 yds as his leading rusher in Staffords last yr with the Lions.

Many here might want to consider what Dak's career win loss record and career in general would look like without run support.

So I guess there's that.
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I guess you conveniently forgot that Stafford had Calvin Johnson to throw to so who needs 1k yd rushers.

:muttley:
 
cnuball21 said:
So you’re going on the “eye test” instead of the million facts and pieces of data that are out there and easily accessible? I’m sure as a Cowboys fan you’ve watched a ton of Stafford tape.

Goodness gracious man…it’s 2022. Do better.
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Too funny,
See post #148.

Do much better.

Hit me back with "an honest discussion" of what Daks career wins vs losses would be with and without a run game.

Then carry it forward to Stafford's losing Akers for the whole year last year and even that whopping 43 yds of run dominance support he got in the Super Bowl.

The comparison data point is Dak "without" a run game.

I'm sure your fully honest response to this with no deflections, diversions or excuses is definitely what I should expect.
 
Bobhaze said:
I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?
  • Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
  • Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  • The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.
This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.
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Another "Dak needs my protection" thread. Yea.
 
ondaedg said:
Good post Bob and I applaud the effort to try to get good conversation back here at the Zone. But I also fear that facts and truth aren’t important to the individuals who turn every post here into an anti Dak rant. I was looking at some of the activity of these posters and nearly 100% of their posts are nothing but repeated attacks on Prescott no matter what the thread topic is. The only way to get good discussion going again is to apply some rules or give them their own happy place forum where they can obsess over him as much as they want. And yes there are other forums where there is good constructive criticism of every player including Dak without the trolling that occurs here.
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So you think you are immune to it?
 
ondaedg said:
I guess you conveniently forgot that Stafford had Calvin Johnson to throw to so who needs 1k yd rushers.

:muttley:
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Yep, and he retired early.
As did Barry Sanders before him.

Amazing Stafford didn't retire early too what with the lack of organizational support he deserved while in Detroit.

Good he stuck it out and McVay rescued him.
 
cnuball21 said:
So you’re going on the “eye test” instead of the million facts and pieces of data that are out there and easily accessible? I’m sure as a Cowboys fan you’ve watched a ton of Stafford tape.

Goodness gracious man…it’s 2022. Do better.
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He also thinks Rush is better than Dak.
 
CATCH17 said:
Yeah but Stafford is better than Dak.
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No he isn't. Stafford simply played with McVey who can even get to a Super Bowl with Jared Goff and had so many think Goff was good. Stafford should have lost to SF if their defender simply holds onto an easy pick.

Stafford = Goff except they got to play Burrow instead of Brady in the Super Bowl so they got over the hump.
 
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