CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

[big dog cowboy]

QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's put it another way, you think Brady would have as many rings if Jason Garrett was his HC.....I don't. Hell, Belichick is not only HOF HC but one of the best defensive coordinators of all time. It's why you never hear about Brady consistently putting up 300+ yards.

Sure, then again Belicheck was 36 and 44 as HC of Cleveland, he was 41 and 55 before he won a SB and within that 1st season Drew Bleadsoe was the starter for much of the year until he was injured.

 

[ondaedg]

Even guys considered top QB as I have said many times you show me a HOF QB and I will show you HOF players who played with them. Brady is great no question about it but over the years he has played on teams with outstanding defense with the pats and TB over his career. I take nothing away from his accomplishment but it took other great players to accomplish team goals of winning.

Ya when you go back and look at the great players that played with Manning, Montana, Aikman, Elway, Fouts, etc etc it’s eye opening. Or even look at the HOFers that played defense on those QB’s teams.

Now we look at so called “elite “ QBs like Rodgers and Russell Wilson who look like jags or worse when they lose those great receivers they had. Makes you go hmmm.

 

[ondaedg]

So does Dan agree here or is he saying that the Dolphins only need him to win a SB? Lol!

 

[cnuball21]

So what happens when a QB has a great game like you mentioned, 350 yard and 3 TDs but the defense allows over 30 points and they lose

Sounds like DAL / GB?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ya when you go back and look at the great players that played with Manning, Montana, Aikman, Elway, Fouts, etc etc it’s eye opening. Or even look at the HOFers that played defense on those QB’s teams.

Now we look at so called “elite “ QBs like Rodgers and Russell Wilson who look like jags or worse when they lose those great receivers they had. Makes you go hmmm.

No doubt as great as Rodgers is, he still needs weapons and right now he has little to work with and it is showing. GB has lost to the Jets, Giants and Vikes

 

[CowboyRoy]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

 

[leeblair]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

The real issue is that Dak Prescott has shown that he is incapable of playing at the level required of a quarterback who is supposed to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.
Therefore, he holds the rest of the team back. He chokes and shuts down anytime the game gets too big.
A quarterback can't win a Super Bowl on his own, but for a team to win one it must have a quarterback who doesn't choke in big games.

 

[Bobhaze]

You either need an elite QB or an elite defense.

That’s true probably a majority of the time. But it’s not as simple as an either/or.

Here are some examples of SB winning teams that didn’t have an “elite” QB or a great defense:

• The 1980 and 83 raiders had a good QB in Jim Plunkett but certainly not elite. Their defenses were good but not great. In 1980 their D was top ranked tenth. In ‘83 it was ranked 13th of 28 teams. They had the great Marcus Allen in ‘83.
• The 1987 dead skins had Doug Williams at QB and an above average D. Their STs bailed them out in the divisional round when a punt return TD by Gary Clark won the game for them or they never make it to even the conference championship.

What’s interesting is having a great defense (top 5) seems to be more important historically than having an elite QB.

 

[GMO415]

Bullet, true but today's narrative is using your theory and calling Aikman garbage or average.

These young cats don't remember how Troy was the most accurate QB in the NFL at the time.

 

[Doomsday101]

The real issue is that Dak Prescott has shown that he is incapable of playing at the level required of a quarterback who is supposed to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.
Therefore, he holds the rest of the team back. He chokes and shuts down anytime the game gets too big.
A quarterback can't win a Super Bowl on his own, but for a team to win one it must have a quarterback who doesn't choke in big games.

out of 4 post season games, Dak has played well in 3 of them winning 1. Last season post season I agree he did not play well nor did the team.

 

[leeblair]

out of 4 post season games, Dak has played well in 3 of them winning 1. Last season post season I agree he did not play well nor did the team.

In each of them he shut down in the first half, and only produced when the game was out of reach and he could throw against loose defenses.
That's his way.
If you look at the box scores, each time the Cowboys were down by two or more scores before they had to mount a comeback that fell short. A "comeback" destined to fail, because the opposing team only allowed the Cowboys to score while they ran out the clock.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

What’s interesting is having a great defense (top 5) seems to be more important historically than having an elite QB

Been saying this for years.....an elite/top 5 defense will keep you in every game.

 

[Dallasfann]

Nah people always told me Romo choked away big games and always lost games all by himself. What would of been if we had this defense in 2014.

 

[Doomsday101]

In each of them he shut down in the first half, and only produced when the game was out of reach and he could throw against loose defenses.
That's his way.
If you look at the box scores, each time the Cowboys were down by two or more scores before they had to mount a comeback that fell short. A "comeback" destined to fail, because the opposing team only allowed the Cowboys to score while they ran out the clock.

BS, Dallas was in the GB game even took the lead before Rodgers pulled a come back. Rams game we take the lead on Gallup big play down field, but it is called back because Offensive PI on Gallup. 49er game I fully agree he did not play well nor did the team. and in each of these games there are ample mistakes made by players other than QB

 

[Bobhaze]

The real issue is that Dak Prescott has shown that he is incapable of playing at the level required of a quarterback who is supposed to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.
Therefore, he holds the rest of the team back. He chokes and shuts down anytime the game gets too big.
A quarterback can't win a Super Bowl on his own, but for a team to win one it must have a quarterback who doesn't choke in big games.

Lee I agree with you that Dak needs to step up his game against the better teams. No question. And I’m not a “Dak apologist”. I just want to see the team win. But I do think there are some strange bars that have been set for Dak that aren’t always consistent.

Since you mentioned Dak choking in big games, can you give a couple of examples? He certainly played well enough to beat the packers in 2016. He has only played in 4 playoff games. Here are his stats:

• 2016 Divisional playoff game vs pack. Lost 34-31. Dak was 24/38 for 302 yds and 1 pick. He had a 103 QBR.
• 2018 WC game- W vs Seattle, 24-22. Prescott finished the game 22-of-33 for 226 yards and a touchdown, with one interception. He also rushed for 29 yards and a touchdown. His QBR was 93.
• 2018 Divisional Round. L 30-22 vs rams. Dak played pretty well going 20/32 for 266 and 1 TD, no picks and also rushed for a TD. His QBR was 99.2. We lost because the defense gave up 273 yds rushing.
• 2021 WC game vs SF. L 23-16. This was Dak’s worst playoff game. He was 23/43 for 254 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT. QBR of 69. But The whole team also played poorly.
• So for the 4 playoff games Dak has played in, his stats are:
  • 89/146 for 1,048 yds, 6 TDs/3 INTs, 2 TDs rushing and a QBR of 88.

Yes, Dak needs to play better in big games. No doubt. But the perception that he sucks in the playoffs is just not that accurate.

 

[doomsday9084]

A great team can pull along a mediocre QB better than a great QB can pull along a mediocre team.

The problem is that casual fans frequently can't identify the difference. If a QB has lots of time and is throwing to open receivers, his great stats are the team and not him. If a QB has no time and is beating tight coverage with precision throws, its him.

 

[cnuball21]

Been saying this for years.....an elite/top 5 defense will keep you in every game.

I think this should be our path moving forward. Continue to build on our strength of D and also make sure the OL is as good as possible.

If you win in the trenches you have a good chance of winning the game.

 

[cnuball21]

Lee I agree with you that Dak needs to step up his game against the better teams. No question. And I’m not a “Dak apologist”. I just want to see the team win. But I do think there are some strange bars that have been set for Dak that aren’t always consistent.

Since you mentioned Dak choking in big games, can you give a couple of examples? He certainly played well enough to beat the packers in both 2016. He has only played in 4 playoff games. Here are his stats:

• 2016 Divisional playoff game vs pack. Lost 34-31. Dak was 24/38 for 302 yds and 1 pick. He had a 103 QBR.
• 2018 WC game- W vs Seattle, 24-22. Prescott finished the game 22-of-33 for 226 yards and a touchdown, with one interception. He also rushed for 29 yards and a touchdown. His QBR was 93.
• 2018 Divisional Round. L 30-22 vs rams. Dak played pretty well going 20/32 for 266 and 1 TD, no picks and also rushed for a TD. His QBR was 99.2. We lost because the defense gave up 273 yds rushing.
• 2021 WC game vs SF. L 23-16. This was Dak’s worst playoff game. He was 23/43 for 254 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT. QBR of 69. But The whole team also played poorly.
• So for the 4 playoff games Dak has played in, his stats are:
  • 89/146 for 1,048 yds, 6 TDs/3 INTs, 2 TDs rushing and a QBR of 88.

Yes, Dak needs to play better in big games. No doubt. But the perception that he sucks in the playoffs is just not that accurate.

Man you bring the heat in your posts. Good stuff.

 

[75boyz]

I believe that Dallas's special hierarchy setup requires that the QB to be so elite that he will hafta overcome both the GM's and the HC's deficiencies.

GM, HC and QB1 are the triangle to winning consistently.

It's gonna take the most elite QB that you can find in order to overcome both Jerry and McCarthy while beating 3 to 4 straight playoff opponents.

A once in a lifetime, one year dominant, suffocating defense could increase success chances but only for a year.

Just food for thought.

Dallas is unique.