CFZ QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

[TheMightyVanHalen]

QBs alone don’t win SBs- TEAMS win SBs

There. It's big enough for the slackers in the back of the class to read.

I agree 100 percent, brother. We got beat by a better 49ers team in the playoffs and Green Bay also got beat by that better team, and then the 49ers got beat in the NFC Championship by a better team. It's not rocket science but since people like to sleep in class they don't know that.

 

[Diehardblues]

Elite QB’s just make it easier to build a SB caliber team around .

And why in most cases teams that have an Elite QB are generally more consistent contenders .

But there’s only so many to go around so most of the league has to make due without .

 

[Diehardblues]

If I owned a franchise I’d be drafting a QB in 1st round every 4-5 years until I found an Elite QB.

With less than an Elite QB you can still build around him , especially on a Rookie contract , but once you have to pay second contract it might be time to begin drafting another one if he isn’t Elite .

 

[GINeric]

Sad part is it has always been this way, Teams win SB in what is the ultimate team sports "Football" yet some still can't grasp this concept

This is definitely the truth!! TEAMS win Superbowls.... but according to a few "wanna be geniuses", this only applies to all other quarterbacks. But when its our quarterback, he's supposed to win a Superbowl by himself or he's not a good quarterback.

Goal post moving is the new wave around here for some.

 

[Diehardblues]

With QB’s contracts nearing a half billion dollars we might at some point begin seeing franchises move on from their QB’s after Rookie contracts like we do other positions .

Imagine building a roster without committing about 20% of Cap to one position. It’s really bizarre.

And it’s a big part along with media hype why so many fans believe it’s all about the QB you have .

 

[GINeric]

I agree.

But certain QBs allows your team to have a different margin for error.

For example, if your QB is Patrick Mahomes the margin for error at other positions is much bigger than if your QB is Baker Mayfield.

Also, about Nick Foles, outside of the Divisional Round Game he was great in the playoffs, throwing for over 350 yards and 3 TDs (also had 1 receiving TD) in both the Conference Championship and Super Bowl.

Isn't it amazing that Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher allowed their team to have the same margin for error???

They all were credited for leading their teams to one Superbowl victory. Mind boggling, huh.

 

[GINeric]

Of course they do and those teams need good QB play just to make it to s SB.

Great point!! Thats why its hilarious that Kaepernick couldn't get a job, but you have trash like Andy Dalton bouncing around the league.... we all know the "good ol' boy network" was responsible for that, but thats a great example of why winning doesn't really matter in certain circumstances.

 

[Diehardblues]

Isn't it amazing that Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher allowed their team to have the same margin for error???

They all were credited for leading their teams to one Superbowl victory. Mind boggling, huh.

They were obviously more of the Bus driving type of QB.

The problem with hype around Prescott is he was paid like an Elite. And hyped as such by many. That’s a big part of this circus we have swirling around him.

But if he was paid accordingly as he should have been paid then the expectations would have been much lower and more would have realized we need a better or good enough defense to carry an average QB or Bus Driver.

 

[irishline]

BS, Dallas was in the GB game even took the lead before Rodgers pulled a come back. Rams game we take the lead on Gallup big play down field, but it is called back because Offensive PI on Gallup. 49er game I fully agree he did not play well nor did the team. and in each of these games there are ample mistakes made by players other than QB

We were down 21-3 in the first half of the Green Bay game, down 28-13 in the 3rd quarter before we tied it late in the 4th. We never lead that game. He is correct on his point of being down two scores. We scored 18 point in the last 10 minutes of that game. Sure the defense fell apart in the last 35 seconds, but our offense could have helped them out sometime in the first 50 minutes so it wouldn't have come down to that.

There was no offensive pass interference call in the Rams game, so I have no idea where you are pulling that from. There was a defensive pass interference called on the Rams in the 4th quarter. As for that game, yes we went up 7-3. Then we proceeded to fall apart on defense. This of course was not helped by 2 3 and outs, a 4 and out, and a 7 play drive that ended when Dak took a sack that knocked us out of field goal range and we punted. At one point we were down 23-7 in the third because neither side of the ball was doing anything. So again he is correct on the down by 2+ scores. We scored 15 of our 22 points after that. There was an offensive pass interference call against Gallup in the 4th quarter of 2020's regular season game against the Rams, maybe that is the game you are thinking of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201901120ram.htm#all_pbp

The Seattle game was basically won because it happened to be Zeke's best playoff game and he took it over. Dak did not play bad mind you, but our running attack carried that game. Ironically that is the only playoff win since he became the starting QB.

Yes the whole team was bad against the 49ers.

I am not trying to say these loses were anyone's fault in particular and certainly not solely on Dak. I believe wins-losses are a team stat. I am however pointing out that the two games you referred to you were incorrect in both (we never lead against the Packers, and there was no called back Gallup play against the Rams). That and he is correct that we were 2+ scores down in both games before we mounted any consistent semblance of an offense.

 

[cnuball21]

They were obviously more of the Bus driving type of QB.

The problem with hype around Prescott is he was paid like an Elite. And hyped as such by many. That’s a big part of this circus we have swirling around him.

But if he was paid accordingly as he should have been paid then the expectations would have been much lower and more would have realized we need a better or good enough defense to carry an average QB or Bus Driver.

The problem with Daks contract is that the Jones could’ve had him for cheaper the year before and they made him prove it…and he did.

He’s not getting paid like an elite QB…he’s reaping the benefits of being an above average QB that was the next man up in FA. In 2/3 years
his contract will look normal…just like Cousins does now after everyone freaked out about his big contract at the time.

 

[GINeric]

1. Yes, I agree with that. The team around him was good, but he was on fire those last two games. Everything worked it seemed.

2. Yes, I agree here too. My point here was not that they don't ever need any help, it's just that they don't need as much help.

Basically, it all boils down for me to not trusting Jerry and Stephen to build a team that can carry a less than great QB when needed in the postseason. I believe that only a legit top 6ish QB can have post season success with the current way things are ran in Dallas.

With all of the things you said.... how many championship coaching staffs and coordinators did Dak have that we can compare to other championship coaching staffs and coordinators that have won superbowls.

What coaches or coordinators did Dak have better than all of the Superbowl winning staffs since Dak been in the league??

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

Preach brother. There is a reason football is called the ultimate team sport.

 

[GINeric]

They were obviously more of the Bus driving type of QB.

The problem with hype around Prescott is he was paid like an Elite. And hyped as such by many. That’s a big part of this circus we have swirling around him.

But if he was paid accordingly as he should have been paid then the expectations would have been much lower and more would have realized we need a better or good enough defense to carry an average QB or Bus Driver.

Paid like he's elite???

Well other than Brady, Mahomes, and maybe J. Allen.... there's many other quarterbacks who are paid like they are elite.... other than the 3 quarterbacks I named, which one of the other quarterbacks in the league thats making max dollars are playing up to their contracts????

 

[GINeric]

The real issue is that Dak Prescott has shown that he is incapable of playing at the level required of a quarterback who is supposed to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.
Therefore, he holds the rest of the team back. He chokes and shuts down anytime the game gets too big.
A quarterback can't win a Super Bowl on his own, but for a team to win one it must have a quarterback who doesn't choke in big games.

So according to your logic.... Marino, Moon, Jim Kelly, and Cunningham were chokers but Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher were not because they led their teams to Superbowl wins, correct??

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

In each of them he shut down in the first half, and only produced when the game was out of reach and he could throw against loose defenses.
That's his way.
If you look at the box scores, each time the Cowboys were down by two or more scores before they had to mount a comeback that fell short. A "comeback" destined to fail, because the opposing team only allowed the Cowboys to score while they ran out the clock.

Aren't you one of the posters who gave Cooper Rush credit for "almost" coming back against the Eagles. As well as claiming that the offense with Rush never puts the defense in a bad position, when the defense was forced to have to hold teams to under 20 points to give the Cowboys a chance to win games while Rush was the starter.

And somehow you believe that a Cooper Rush offense wasn't going to eventually put the team in position in which they ended up falling behind, like they did against the Eagles. And you believe that the offense with Cooper Rush, wasn't going to be put the team in this position again, when the current way it was operating offensively.

 

[Big D]

Sounds like DAL / GB?

Yeah and we've already seen the reaction on that. "Dak sucks! replace the QB!"

 

[charron]

Great point!! Thats why its hilarious that Kaepernick couldn't get a job, but you have trash like Andy Dalton bouncing around the league.... we all know the "good ol' boy network" was responsible for that, but thats a great example of why winning doesn't really matter in certain


Dalton is mostly a backup now. And guys get cut all the time when their off the field isdues overshadows the on field. Kap wasnt serious about being a player.

 

[75boyz]

Elite QB’s just make it easier to build a SB caliber team around .

And why in most cases teams that have an Elite QB are generally more consistent contenders .

But there’s only so many to go around so most of the league has to make due without .

THIS times a million. So you pair those elite QBs with elite head coaches and you get 2 of the 3 ingredients required for longterm NFL success. And then when you add in the GM in most cases you complete that NFL success triangle.

Belicheck-Brady
Dungy-Manning
Tomlin- Big Ben
Payton-Brees
Carroll-Wilson
Reid-Mahommes

I mean a rare historical defense might can pull off a fluke year with a game manager but the combo of McCarthy-Dak ain't in the same zip code of either coaching or Quarterbacking talent as those listed above.

And I could care less about McCheese's career win/loss record because he's a fraud and again, Jerry is the GM.

This recipe to success is the answer to any long term NFL success.

Dallas is Zero for 3 on all three ingredients.

 

[Diehardblues]

Paid like he's elite???

Well other than Brady, Mahomes, and maybe J. Allen.... there's many other quarterbacks who are paid like they are elite.... other than the 3 quarterbacks I named, which one of the other quarterbacks in the league thats making max dollars are playing up to their contracts????

I’d have to add Stafford and probably Wilson who both have won a Super Bowl. And tough to argue against Rodgers .

Brady isn’t actually one of the top paid QB’s. Not even top 10.

Murray, Watson and Carr just got paid and are all up there.

 

[Reid1boys]

I certainly agree with many Cowboys fans that Dak needs to lead us to some playoff wins. But there is a major problem with the premise that QBs alone win SBs. That’s not correct. Teams win Super Bowls. Even the best QBs need help to win a SB.

Don’t believe me?

• Look at the 2020 SB champion Buccaneers. Tom Brady was horrible in the NFC championship game that year vs GB. He threw 3 picks that allowed the pack to almost win that game. The Tampa defense bailed him out. He played very well in the SB. But without the TB defense, there is no SB win.
• Look at last year’s champ the rams. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins until he was traded to a better TEAM. Stafford was a key part of them winning, but he certainly didn’t carry them alone.
  
• The year Filly won their SB their QB was Nick Foles. Anyone watching the e-girls playoff wins that season knows very well that Nick Foles did not carry that team alone on his back.

This list could go on and on. Teams win SBs. Yes, you have to have good quarterbacking to win in the playoffs. But if that were all you need why hasn’t Aaron Rodgers won more than 1 SB?

Look, Dak needs to start leading this team to some playoff wins- on that I wholeheartedly agree. But it takes a lot more than a hero at QB to win a SB.

Let’s see... why hasn’t Rodgers won more than 1? Oh I don’t know, maybe some guys named manning, brees, Mahomes, rothlisberger, Brady, and some others. you know, a bunch of other how qbs kept him from winning a few more?

No kidding a qb needs help, but have you ever noticed how some decent wrs look great when they play with those guys?