QBs Don't Win Games - Teams Do

[superonyx]

I disagree if there is one thing we are all learning its almost always comes down to the QB. More than ever. Just look at Denver. They are basically the same team that was .500 for past several years. Then Peyton comes to town and they are a juggernaut. Tom Brady seems to play with bad RB, WR, average OL, sometimes bad defense and all that team does is win (for most part). Intelligence and leadership cover up alot of a team faults.

Who are the Broncos offensive threats and how long have they been playing together? I agree that Manning makes them look better than they would without him, however lets not act like they are a bunch of old bums that suddenly look good. The receivers corp and TE's are very talented on that team.


You mention Brady...The 2 things that Brady consistently plays with are 1. Great Offensive Line (he is untouched), 2. Smart well coached defense that makes you beat them with whatever you are weak at.

Can you say Romo has played with either of these?

 

[Wood]

Who are the Broncos offensive threats and how long have they been playing together? I agree that Manning makes them look better than they would without him, however lets not act like they are a bunch of old bums that suddenly look good. The receivers corp and TE's are very talented on that team.


You mention Brady...The 2 things that Brady consistently plays with are 1. Great Offensive Line (he is untouched), 2. Smart well coached defense that makes you beat them with whatever you are weak at.

Can you say Romo has played with either of these?

I think this is best offensive line that Romo has played with and maybe most talented receiver core. End results don't change. We can't ignore that any longer. The whole demeanor of Denver changed when Peyton can strolling in. He gave that team an identity. Dallas has gone better part of 18 years without an identity. Brady does same thing in NE. He established who they are and then you get a trickle down effect of role players who think they are better than they actually are.

 

[03EBZ06]

I think this is best offensive line that Romo has played with and maybe most talented receiver core. End results don't change. We can't ignore that any longer. The whole demeanor of Denver changed when Peyton can strolling in. He gave that team an identity. Dallas has gone better part of 18 years without an identity. Brady does same thing in NE. He established who they are and then you get a trickle down effect of role players who think they are better than they actually are.

And yet those 5 O-Linemen got pushed and collapsed by 3 rushers which disrupted Romo's pass, which resulted in INT.

 

[9darter]

Romo choked and the defense played awful.

Our guy, Romo, and his offense, already put up 48 points on the score table before he "choked". Yes, it was a mistake. But if you cannot win scoring 48, then you don't have any problem at QB at all, but tons of problems on defense.

Kiffin shouldn't see a paycheck again until this D concedes less than 21 points in a game.

 

[pastordug]

And you do realize that Manning has COMPLETE CONTROL of HIS team. Romo does not. And that is the difference. His biggest supporter is Jerry Jones who once again ran to his defense after the game. We will not win a Super Bowl while Romo is the QB. Period. And I am a LIFE LONG fan of the Cowboys. This is a sad day for the Cowboy Nation.

 

[Mookie]

Please take a look at this:

 

[CT Dal Fan]

The core of this Denver Broncos team made the playoffs-and won in the playoffs- with Tim Tebow as their quarterback. So now that they have Peyton Manning, well, you see the results.

Romo and the offense did their part in this game, period. Is it too much to ask a defense to force ONE punt in a game? Really?

 

[pastordug]

Please take a look at this:

THEN PULL THE BALL DOWN AND SCRAMBLE LIKE HE DID ALL DAY? You guys have to be tired of defending this guy for the last 6 YEARS?

 

[Dodger]

But in the end, the defense did not do what good defenses do...they pressure the QB, make good decisions in coverage, and find a way to stop the other team from driving down the field for the win.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Mookie]

THEN PULL THE BALL DOWN AND SCRAMBLE LIKE HE DID ALL DAY? You guys have to be tired of defending this guy for the last 6 YEARS?

It's easier to look at the facts, see Romo's results, his record as a starter, his career stats and the position he puts this team week in and week out, than to find a capable replacement.

Romo is a top 5 QB in the league in my opinion. Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers (the other four). Are you seriously saying you can find a QB that's better than any of those guys? Good luck finding him and going back the the mediority of the 2000s. Clint Stoerner, Drew Henson, Quincy Carter, Tony Banks, I'm sure they're all a fun and cool bunch, but Romo is at an entirely different level than everybody else.

This team without Romo would be the Buccaneers, Dolphins or current day Vikings. Talented, without any quality QB that can win more games.

 

[jimmy40]

I think it is irrational to suggest a QB who put up 48 points against an undefeated team "choked". It was his defense that gave up 51 points that choked. The Broncos didn't even punt once.

Dallas punted once, Denver's defense was just as horrible.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

You do realize that Romo outplayed Manning right?
Manning also threw a interception.

So now in spite of our line being truly horrible last year and finally showing some life in recent weeks, they are suddenly better than the broncos line who have been protecting Manning very nicely for 2 years straight? Sounds like you want to change reality to feed your Romo hate.

Do you also realize that Romo creating time for his receivers to get open with his spinning and ducking is different than "self imposed pressure". You say he held the ball too long and should have thrown it away? When? Did you not see the result of these plays where he "Held the ball too long"?

As far as the pressure being on....With the way our offense has been playing and your number 2 receiver still out dont you think having Manning and the broncos score every time they touched the ball was putting the pressure on the entire game? What about when the broncos go up by double digits on you and they are showing no signs of slowing down? Sounds like pressure.

You miss my point. Again, I said Romo played a great game. But the difference between good and great is that great rises to the occasion when the pressure is greatest, i.e., in the last 2 minutes of the game when it is all on the line. Romo is good. Manning is great.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Except when they don't. I don't get this fantasy people have that there are QBs out there who always magically win the game in the end. Brady threw a final-drive interception deep in Cincy territory yesterday to end the Pats' hopes. Peyton has thrown final-drive interceptions in the playoffs and Super Bowl to lose games. Rodgers threw two late interceptions and failed to convert on a final drive in their loss just last week.

Meanwhile, Tony led the Cowboys on 5 4th quarter or OT game-winning drives just last season.

Do you really want to compare the number of game-winning drives Romo has had vs. Manning, Brady & Rodgers? And for every game winning 4th quarter drive Romo engineered, I can point to two where he imploded.

I actually like Romo and supported re-signing him. But I accept what he is (good) and what he will never be (great).

 

[JD_KaPow]

Do you really want to compare the number of game-winning drives Romo has had vs. Manning, Brady & Rodgers?

Not sure why I wouldn't. Manning has more, but Romo has more than the others (over the same starting period).

And for every game winning 4th quarter drive Romo engineered, I can point to two where he imploded.

No, you can't.

 

[dstovall5]

Do you really want to compare the number of game-winning drives Romo has had vs. Manning, Brady & Rodgers? And for every game winning 4th quarter drive Romo engineered, I can point to two where he imploded.

I actually like Romo and supported re-signing him. But I accept what he is (good) and what he will never be (great).

Romo scored TWO touchdowns in the 4th quarter to give us the lead with 7 minutes remaining in the game. It's not his fault he has (yet again) one of the worst defenses in Cowboy history who can't even make a stop to save their life. Denver didn't even punt ONCE for crying out loud.

It's so sad how this organization has continued to waste a very good QB's career due to their inept ability to build an actual TEAM around him, it's so sickening.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Not sure why I wouldn't. Manning has more, but Romo has more than the others (over the same starting period).

I think the proper comparison is not how many total comebacks, but the percentage of wins in a comeback scenario. Clearly, Brady and Rodgers have had better teams and have not needed to come back as much.

No, you can't.

Just off the top of my head in the past 2 years...

Denver 2013
Washington 2012 (playoffs on the line)
New Orleans 2012 (OT, 1 first down & out)
NY Giants 2012
NYJ 2011
Detroit 2011 (worst implosion I've ever seen)

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Our guy, Romo, and his offense, already put up 48 points on the score table before he "choked". Yes, it was a mistake. But if you cannot win scoring 48, then you don't have any problem at QB at all, but tons of problems on defense.

Kiffin shouldn't see a paycheck again until this D concedes less than 21 points in a game.

That's why I said and the defense played awful.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

New Orleans 2012 (OT, 1 first down & out)

LOL! What a joke.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

LOL! What a joke.

What is a joke was getting the ball first in OT and gaining 11 total yards before punting it away to Drew Brees in a sudden death situation...

 

[Super_Kazuya]

What is a joke was getting the ball first in OT and gaining 11 total yards before punting it away to Drew Brees in a sudden death situation...

Isn't punting the ball away what Romo haters wanted yesterday ? If you are going to add punting to choking requirements then you have probably quadrupled all of the chokes in NFL history.

By the way, can you think of anything else that happened in that Saints game, hmm? Like in the 60 prior minutes you slept through?