Question about Jaylon Smith contract

[conner01]

I forgot to mention that JSmith also got a 2.9m signing bonus 2016

He earned it coming back from that injury and playing like he has
Got to like the work ethic he has

 

[LatinMind]

He earned it coming back from that injury and playing like he has
Got to like the work ethic he has

I think he’s the real player Dallas needs to build around. Not Lawrence, Gregory almost matches Lawrence production in less then half the snaps. Now before I get the hate, I think Lawrence needs to be signed but I don’t think they need to structure his deal as a superstar. Give him some money with the ability to get out after 3 yrs.

 

[conner01]

I think he’s the real player Dallas needs to build around. Not Lawrence, Gregory almost matches Lawrence production in less then half the snaps. Now before I get the hate, I think Lawrence needs to be signed but I don’t think they need to structure his deal as a superstar. Give him some money with the ability to get out after 3 yrs.

I like being able to get out in 3
And I wouldn’t pay him Mack money but I think it’s gonna take 20 mil a year
If you guarantee first 3 years it protects you against a suspension since he wouldnt have gotten it yet and really it protects the player against pissing off his money

 

[buybuydandavis]

I just went to over the cap dot-com and it says jalen's in the last year of his contract. that can't be right because he missed his first year so doesn't that automatically add an extra year to his contract?

Overthecap clearly says he has 2 accrued seasons, which seems right to me. Even though they made noise about bringing him back in 2016, he still should have been NFI all year, and hence not accumulating time for an accrued season.

Should be RFA in 2020.

https://overthecap.com/player/jaylon-smith/4747/

 

[buybuydandavis]

It still hasn't been settled officially...... I have seen both options reported

The team has never said his rookie didn't count..... he was paid in full even while on the NFI and IR

I would expect an extension this season either way

NFI doesn't accrue, does it?

 

[buybuydandavis]

Interesting. I know they "activated" him off the NFI in November(16), but he never officially made the 53 man roster.
I would assume since he was never active, he never gained experience.

Spotrac, which shows him as an UFA in 2020, only shows 2 years experience, while M. Collins has 3 years experience.

If he was "active" since Nov 16, we may be humped. That should be 6 weeks active, making an accrued season.

Is it possible they gave away a season of rights for nothing?

https://operations.nfl.com/updates/football-ops/2018-nfl-free-agency-faq/

What constitutes an accrued season?
Six or more regular-season games on a club's active/inactive, reserved/injured or reserve/physically unable to perform lists.​

 

[buybuydandavis]

Time on the IR counts and so does PUP if you are getting paid in full

JSmith was officially on the NFI list- Non Football Injury .... not the PUP... it was reported that he was paid in full by the Cowboys the whole time..... that would mean the season counts and he is a FA in 2020

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...toll-restricted-ufa-rfa-erfa-rolando-mcclain/

Per Article 8, Section 1 of the CBA, a player who spends the season on the NFI list like Smith did, does not accrue a season. There was confusion during the year when the Cowboys opened the three-week window in case Smith was ready to play. Some thought this, combined with Smith receiving full pay for the season, qualified 2016 as an accrued season, but that was not the case.

Per former agent Joel Corry, nothing changed about his status as he never made it onto the Cowboys 53-man roster.

[There is a tweet to that effect from Corry which I can't include, because I'm in Twitter jail. #LearnToCode]​

 

[Nightman]

NFI doesn't accrue, does it?

No it doesn't but he didn't spend the entire year on the NFI

He was activated off the NFI on Nov 22 and spent the next 3 weeks in limbo as he technically wasn't on the 53 man roster while under evaluation

But on Dec 12 they determined he wasn't healthy enough to play and placed on the season ending IR for the last 3 weeks

This gave him 6 full weeks off of the NFI or enough to accrue a year's service time

I think if he challenges it he will be an UFA in 2020 but it won't matter as they will get a deal done this year

 

[conner01]

Everything I’ve found says RFA after this season
UFA after 2020
So we sign him next off season and no worries

 

[LatinMind]

I like being able to get out in 3
And I wouldn’t pay him Mack money but I think it’s gonna take 20 mil a year
If you guarantee first 3 years it protects you against a suspension since he wouldnt have gotten it yet and really it protects the player against pissing off his money

He’ll be going on 31 after that 3rd yr so I’d like for this start to transition to the next guy at that age

 

[conner01]

He’ll be going on 31 after that 3rd yr so I’d like for this start to transition to the next guy at that age

My hope is we can find a OT to replace Collins in this draft and not have to next year
Then I’d love to add another pass rusher with our 32nd pick next year
Can’t have too many pass rushers
Sadly taco doesn’t seem to be the answer
I think he was picked so we didn’t have to worry about Dlaw but that didn’t work out

 

[LatinMind]

My hope is we can find a OT to replace Collins in this draft and not have to next year
Then I’d love to add another pass rusher with our 32nd pick next year
Can’t have too many pass rushers
Sadly taco doesn’t seem to be the answer
I think he was picked so we didn’t have to worry about Dlaw but that didn’t work out

Collins was playing good I think they need to start looking for Tyron’s replacement now. It’s been 4 yrs that he’s missed time for the same neck issue. Along with other issues. Neck and back issues never heal and will only get worse with age

 

[conner01]

Collins was playing good I think they need to start looking for Tyron’s replacement now. It’s been 4 yrs that he’s missed time for the same neck issue. Along with other issues. Neck and back issues never heal and will only get worse with age

I don’t have any issue with Collins play, just his 3rd contract and the fact we have 3 other oline men on very expensive contracts
Soon we will need to replace both but Collins is a FA after this season and I don’t want to pay a 3rd contract

 

[LatinMind]

I don’t have any issue with Collins play, just his 3rd contract and the fact we have 3 other oline men on very expensive contracts
Soon we will need to replace both but Collins is a FA after this season and I don’t want to pay a 3rd contract

Collins isn’t going to anywhere near a big deal. He’s a middle of the pack rt.

5yrs 40mil 10mil SB 16mil guranteed
Ballpark area with him

 

[buybuydandavis]

No it doesn't but he didn't spend the entire year on the NFI

He was activated off the NFI on Nov 22 and spent the next 3 weeks in limbo as he technically wasn't on the 53 man roster while under evaluation

But on Dec 12 they determined he wasn't healthy enough to play and placed on the season ending IR for the last 3 weeks

This gave him 6 full weeks off of the NFI or enough to accrue a year's service time

I think if he challenges it he will be an UFA in 2020 but it won't matter as they will get a deal done this year

Your account seems more accurate that the article I quoted, and correct on the fundamentals, but I'd expect his agent of the time to be on top of it too.

Part of the No Fun League is leaving fans hanging on basic information like this.

But for the front office to have put a year of rights even in question would be infuriating.

 

[conner01]

Collins isn’t going to anywhere near a big deal. He’s a middle of the pack rt.

5yrs 40mil 10mil SB 16mil guranteed
Ballpark area with him

He makes 8.5 now
He gonna want more
But mostly I think Collins is better than some here think but not good enough to give another contract
We have 3 others making big money we should take advantage of the situation to have two of ours on rookie deals

 

[LatinMind]

He makes 8.5 now
He gonna want more
But mostly I think Collins is better than some here think but not good enough to give another contract
We have 3 others making big money we should take advantage of the situation to have two of ours on rookie deals

He signed a 2 yr 15.4 mil with 9.6mil guranteed. 7.7mil avg. if I was Jerry I would restructure to lower that caphit by a couple mil and extend him

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Nope his contract ends in 2020.

He'll be a RFA though. We'll tag him with a first rounder, my guess, and let him play off that and or sign him long term.
By 2020 he'll only have 3 years experience.

I've never understood the difference between a restricted free agent and an unrestricted one. Does the team have some more rights to retrain him somehow?

 

[conner01]

He signed a 2 yr 15.4 mil with 9.6mil guranteed. 7.7mil avg. if I was Jerry I would restructure to lower that caphit by a couple mil and extend him

That’s a possibility but with cap I think you really need the oline to always have a couple on rookie or at the worst second contract
Now to do that you need to draft well in the middle and later rnds so you have a guy in waiting. I don’t know that we can get that quality of an OT in this draft but if we don’t we sure better get a good one next year so you have the guy when Smith is done

 

[John813]

I've never understood the difference between a restricted free agent and an unrestricted one. Does the team have some more rights to retrain him somehow?

Per the latest CBA players gain UFA status after 4 years experience. AKA every player drafted who plays out their first contract.
RFA means 3 years of experience. Usually you don't see too many players hit RFA status unless they were undrafted or drafted, cut, passed waivers and then signed 1 to 2 year deals.

For example David Irving was a RFA in the 2018 offseason as he had 3 years experience last year and his contract expired. The Cowboys had to send him a qualifying offer in order to retain his RFA status or he would of hit the market as an UFA.
There are 3 Qualifying offers. 1st round tender, which pays the most, but means if a team signed Irving to an offer sheet, and the Cowboys declined, they would send us a first in order to officially sign him. Then there is a 2nd round tender, same as before, and an original drafted round tender. IE if the player was originally taken in the 4th, that's the pick the other team had to surrender to sign him.

Basically, NFL teams have rights over players till 4 years of experience is accrued, then they are unrestricted and the only method of the team retaining the player is the franchise tag or transition tag.

There's 3 free agent statuses in the NFL.

ERFA: 1 to 2 years of experience(when the contract expires). Can't negotiate with other teams if qualified.
RFA: 3 years experience... . Can negotiate with other teams if qualified.
UFA: 4+ experience. Free to talk to any team if no deal is reached.