Question for Cowboys fans who watched Danny White Play in the early 80's

[noshame]

If Danny played in Romo's offense and era, and Tony played in White's you'd be Tony who?

i.e. Tony would not have made the team.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

The Cowboys defense had one glaring weakness in 1981, the year that the 49ers disappointed us by winning that NFC Championship against us. That weakness was run defense. All season long, that "Thurman's Thieves" defense covered for that weakness by getting a lot of takeaways. They even got a lot of takeaways in that NFC Championship, but it wasn't quite enough. When the 49ers needed that final score to win, the run defense was not able to stop them from marching down the field for that obnoxious "catch" play. White took a lot of heat for that loss, after "fumbling" on the next drive, killing our chances. (Actually, it was an incomplete forward pass, incorrectly ruled a fumble.) White took a lot of blame from fans, but he did not play on the defense that gave up the winning score.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

LOL silly boy - you gave us Owens. I'll give you--

Dorsett
Newhouse

Tony Hill
Butch Johnson
Drew Pearson
Blly Joe Dupree

Too Tall
Harvey Martin
Randy White
DD Lewis

Dennis Thurman
Benny Barnes
Charlie Waters
Dexter Clingscale
(Thurman's Thieves)

1982 (White's prime) NFL 3rd ranked defense.

It's why the 5%ers are continually marginalized and not taken seriously. The only legitimate thing they have going is that they are allowed to post - after that it all goes embarrassingly downhill.

But here's the delicious part - the 5%ers believe it's all on the QB to win SB's. Meanwhile, we have to read Danny White 10 times over Tony yet White never won a SB. Then, of course we'll get into degrees NFL Championships, etc.

I loved Danny White. He didn't get it done with the 3rd ranked defense in the league.
I loved Tony Romo - he didn't get it done with an almost continuous string of bottom ten defenses.

Both were exceptional QB's and neither was a choker because then you have to point at Tom Rafferty missing a block in '82 or Demarcus Ware not getting a crucial sack in 2012.

For the 9, 000th time - football is the ultimate team sport and no QB can win a SB by himself. But I blame myself for even addressing it when almost all of you already know.

My bad.

I will say this, while what you say has basis, Tony's Cowboys never had to deal with the quality of teams like the 49ers. That was a truly great team and Danny lost in the NFC Championship game on a hailmary pass, a drop and a blown blocking assignment. Any one of those three late game plays go the other way and there is a really good chance we win that game an go on to win a Super Bowl. Not trying to make an excuse but that's just how close it was.

JMO

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I will say this, while what you say has basis, Tony's Cowboys never had to deal with the quality of teams like the 49ers. That was a truly great team and Danny lost in the NFC Championship game on a hailmary pass, a drop and a blown blocking assignment. Any one of those three late game plays go the other way and there is a really good chance we win that game an go on to win a Super Bowl. Not trying to make an excuse but that's just how close it was.

JMO

Yeah, that was a close, close game, biggest heartbreaker in my Cowboys fandom (though I'm too young to have seen the Ice Bowl).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, that was a close, close game, biggest heartbreaker in my Cowboys fandom (though I'm too young to have seen the Ice Bowl).

Yeah, that one hurt, even if you remember the Ice Bowl, that one hurt. Personally, mine was Super Bowl 13, but still in all, that one hurt.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Yeah, that one hurt, even if you remember the Ice Bowl, that one hurt. Personally, mine was Super Bowl 13, but still in all, that one hurt.

Yeah, it really sucked. It was compounded for me by the fact that the most obnoxious jerk at my high school was a 49er fan who would not shut up about it. This was a scumbag who really treated people like crap. So after the heartbreaking loss, I had to listen to him gloat and be generally a dirtbag.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, it really sucked. It was compounded for me by the fact that the most obnoxious jerk at my high school was a 49er fan who would not shut up about it. This was a scumbag who really treated people like crap. So after the heartbreaking loss, I had to listen to him gloat and be generally a dirtbag.

The world is full of Jackwagons. That's just a fact of life. I'm not the best dude but I do try to keep it squared up when we win. Been on the other end of that deal and it sucks for sure.

 

[Redball Express]

Danny was better than Tony at two things, and that's throwing the ball to the other team and punting... in the three years the team dragged him to the NFC title game, he tossed 50 INTs in just 40 starts. And those were his good years.

True..

White took chances at times..

But he was a good leader and won.

You can't say he won because he had a legacy team from the Stauback Era.

Next we will be saying DAK is winning because Romo built a team he took over.

Romo built nothing but stats.

White needed more help in his run but never got it.

Landry stood pat with what he had done for 20 years and teams like the Niners and and others developed the West Coast Offense that ran us over.

 

[KJJ]

How does he compare to Tony Romo?

The only comparison is they were both very good QBs who came up short in the big games. Both had to live up to the expectations of their great predecessors who won championships. Both are remembered for ill-timed mistakes. White will always be best remembered for the fumble against SF in the 81 conference title game and Romo will always be best remembered for the bobbled hold against Seattle in the 06 playoffs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

IMO, Danny White will always be remembered for the Audible against the Eagles in the NFC Championship "No Danny No!" Game. The Fumble in the SF game in 1981 was on the OL, not Danny, IMO.

 

[willia451]

Romo was a very good QB on a ship of fools and vampires. A better QB than Aikman; quoted from Aikman himself. Romo was a gift from God to the Cowboys and was the only reason they were even close to being relevant for a decade. If you take Tony and put him on the teams the Cowboys fielded in the 90s does anyone NOT believe he could have replicated Aikman's success? But if you reverse the equation and put Aikman on the Cowboys teams Romo lead, could he have done better? Or worse? I think we all know the answer to that question.

White was not as good a QB as Roger. And it showed. White had basically the same staff and players around him in the beginning that Roger had. But could not replicate Roger's breakthrough successes that he had in the 70s.

So from the standpoint of comparing QBs with their couterparts in close to the same eras:

Romo > White

And its not really even close.

 

[JoeKing]

Does anyone remember White's o-line being as good as Romo's? A lot of my immediate memories of White are him getting sacked often and fumbling the ball in the postseason...

I remember White getting hammered a lot. He had almost no ability to get away from the pass rush.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Romo was a very good QB on a ship of fools and vampires. A better QB than Aikman; quoted from Aikman himself. Romo was a gift from God to the Cowboys and was the only reason they were even close to being relevant for a decade. If you take Tony and put him on the teams the Cowboys fielded in the 90s does anyone NOT believe he could have replicated Aikman's success? But if you reverse the equation and put Aikman on the Cowboys teams Romo lead, could he have done better? Or worse? I think we all know the answer to that question.

White was not as good a QB as Roger. And it showed. White had basically the same staff and players around him in the beginning that Roger had. But could not replicate Roger's breakthrough successes that he had in the 70s.

So from the standpoint of comparing QBs with their couterparts in close to the same eras:

Romo > White

And its not really even close.

I do, 100%.

 

[Kevinicus]

I think Romo would have won as much or more if had had the all around teams that White had...especially the defenses.
I'll never understand how otherwise decent football knowledge people (or seemingly so) act like QBs play in a vacuum.
And I think Danny White was good, btw.
But he played with a ton of HOFers on both sides of the ball.
He threw nearly as many ints in his career as TDs. I realize it was harder back then,but co e on.
The devenses had Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin, Walls, Jeffcoat....good grief.

It's hard for most people to be intellectually honest and consistent.

I don't recall the year, but definitely remember the segment on NFL Network:
L. Thomlinson: The playoffs comes down to the QB (IIRC there was some Romo criticism in there too).
L Thomlinson two seconds later: The Patriots are a pretender in the playoffs this year because Brady doesn't have the team around him to help him.