Question/Rumor

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

If we did indeed trade for RW, what do you guys think that it would take to fit him into our current salary cap?

And, how would we be able to resign Barber, Newman, Canty, Tank, TO, and others to keep this team basically intact for more SB runs?

I know where there is a will, there is a way, but what is the way?

Adam?????????

Anybody??????

 

[AmishCowboy]

Philly has Two #1's and might get more Draft Picks from the Jaguars for Lito Sheppard. Givin there History I don't think Philly would do it, but with all those Extra picks you can't rule it out especially if they get a #2 from Jacksonville.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I want to use our #1 next on a stud WR coming out of college. Therefore I'd give Matt Millen a #2, #3 and a #4. That would still leave us tons of picks to move up.

 

[Eskimo]

I don't think we can afford TO and Roy for the 2009 season and still have hopes of signing TNew, Canty and Barber. At this point it would seem cap space is the big factor. We aren't in a good cap situation now compared to the rest of the league as most teams have more room under the cap than us.

One way of looking at it is whether you think it is worth trading TO + 1st + 2nd rounder for Roy Williams, or TNew + 1st + 2nd for Roy Williams because I don't think we can keep all 3 on the roster (all of these players' contracts are up this year).

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I want to use our #1 next on a stud WR coming out of college. Therefore I'd give Matt Millen a #2, #3 and a #4. That would still leave us tons of picks to move up.

I thought of that... I could live with that.


BUT... if we gave up a #1(plus other pick or player) for the young "proven" Roy Williams WR - - I would be ok with that too.

 

[JonJon]

Even with 1st round picks, your hit/miss ratio is still about only 50%, so I would be willing to spend multiple picks to get a proven Pro Bowler.
For example, go back to the 2003 draft. I have bolded the players that lived up to their 1st round draft status:

1 Carson Palmer QB
2 Charles Rogers WR
3 Andre Johnson WR
4 Dewayne Robertson DT
5 Terence Newman CB
6 Johnathan Sullivan DT
7 Byron Leftwich QB
8 Jordan Gross T
9 Kevin Williams DE
10 Terrell Suggs OLB
11 Marcus Trufant CB
12 Jimmy Kennedy DT
13 Ty Warren DE
14 Michael Haynes DE
15 Jerome McDougle DE
16 Troy Polamalu DB
17 Bryant Johnson WR
18 Calvin Pace DE
19 Kyle Boller QB
20 George Foster T
21 Jeff Faine C
22 Rex Grossman QB
23 Willis McGahee RB
24 Dallas Clark TE
25 William Joseph DT
26 Kwame Harris T
27 Larry Johnson RB
28 Andre Woolfolk CB
29 Nick Barnett MLB
30 Sammy Davis CB
31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB
32 Tyler Brayton DE

Thats 18 of 32 players living up to their draft status, or 56%. So basically, its the flip of a coin that you will get what you will get a star in the first round.

I believe this team is deep enough in talent that adding a player of RW's caliber would put us over the top. When we traded for Galloway, we were no where near the talent that we possess now, and therefor could not afford to give up those picks. Then, first rounders were considered instant starters because of how bad we were. Now, we are in a position that even first round players might not even see the playing field.

 

[lspain1]

The other thing to remember here is that Philly (or any other team) still has to sign Roy to a deal. Dallas is where Roy wants to play....NOT Philadelphia. That fact does add some leverage for Jerry. We'll see.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Even with 1st round picks, your hit/miss ratio is still about only 50%, so I would be willing to spend multiple picks to get a proven Pro Bowler.

Agreed.

More to my point.

 

[dozin_theknick]

If I were Detroit I would hold out for as much as Jerry is going to give up. After watching him fold to the Titans when the ONLY guy he was bidding against was himself and it was clear that the Titans weren't going to keep him around Jerry made them an offer they far above what his original intentions were and they laughed all the way to the draft.

Now, don't get me wrong, if this whole Adam Jones thing works out we got a steal, BUT the fact that Jerry wasn't in a bidding war with another team and buckled shows that he is working, almost, from a desperation stand point.

The Lions may as well let Jerry stew on this on this one for a bit until he just explodes from the anticipation. It's no secret that Williams has been Jones' target since the very first day of the off-season. Now that the Lions have made it known that Williams might be available for a "real" deal, then all they have to do is sit and wait until Jerry, once again, folds.

The only other concern is the fact that the Eagles have two 1st rounders next year and are in desperate need of WR help. It's not typical of the Eagles to get loose and gamble with draft picks, but the leverage that they have with those picks and the fact that a division that they finished last in, the previous season, hasn't gotten any weaker may indeed prompt them to dazzle the Lions with an offer they can't refuse and Jerry can't match.

Interesting to say the least.

yes, I'm sure the Titans were "laughing all the way to the draft" with their 4th round pick for the 6th pick over all. Yes, I'm sure they were feeling very good about it.

 

[Idgit]

If I were Detroit I would hold out for as much as Jerry is going to give up. After watching him fold to the Titans when the ONLY guy he was bidding against was himself and it was clear that the Titans weren't going to keep him around Jerry made them an offer they far above what his original intentions were and they laughed all the way to the draft.

Now, don't get me wrong, if this whole Adam Jones thing works out we got a steal, BUT the fact that Jerry wasn't in a bidding war with another team and buckled shows that he is working, almost, from a desperation stand point.

The Lions may as well let Jerry stew on this on this one for a bit until he just explodes from the anticipation. It's no secret that Williams has been Jones' target since the very first day of the off-season. Now that the Lions have made it known that Williams might be available for a "real" deal, then all they have to do is sit and wait until Jerry, once again, folds.

The only other concern is the fact that the Eagles have two 1st rounders next year and are in desperate need of WR help. It's not typical of the Eagles to get loose and gamble with draft picks, but the leverage that they have with those picks and the fact that a division that they finished last in, the previous season, hasn't gotten any weaker may indeed prompt them to dazzle the Lions with an offer they can't refuse and Jerry can't match.

Interesting to say the least.

The Pacman trade was a very fair trade for both sides. The Titans got significant value for a talented player they no longer wanted, and the Cowboys got the player and equivalent downside insurance in return.

You don't get future dance partners by forcing your current partner to bend over and grab their ankles in front of the whole junior prom.

 

[Nors]

I don't see the infatuation with a #3 wr, THAT DETROIT IS GIVING UP ON.....

 

[iceberg]

I don't see the infatuation with a #3 wr, THAT DETROIT IS GIVING UP ON.....

how can you say that about someone with bledsoe boxers?????

 

[skinsscalper]

yes, I'm sure the Titans were "laughing all the way to the draft" with their 4th round pick for the 6th pick over all. Yes, I'm sure they were feeling very good about it.

They were going to release him any way and were looking at an original 6th from Jerry and nothing else. Ye,s they did laugh all the way to the draft. The loss on a 6th overall pick was a foregone conclusion. The fact that they salvaged a 4th and an additional sixth was icing on the cake.

Jerry should have stood firm on the 6th and forced them to release him. In the end Titans ended up with two draft picks for a player that was never going to suit up for them again anyway.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't see the infatuation with a #3 wr, THAT DETROIT IS GIVING UP ON.....

If "giving up on" equals can't afford or too cheap to pay......

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this, but it is a serious question about a rumor. That's why I'm asking. Buddy of mine gets sports talk out of Dallas and said some guy named David Smoat (sp) has a Sunday evening talk show and the Sunday night after the draft, yes after the draft, claims the Roy Williams WR to Dallas is by no means dead and he believes Dallas/Detroit are still working on something. To my question. Has anyone heard this, heard of this Smoat guy or have any info to the contrary or the same. Thanks for any responses. Flame on for me keeping up the RW to Dallas stuff.

I dont know why Detroit would wait till after the draft to trade Roy, seems kinda dumb if you ask me. However, this is Matt Millen we are talking about so I guess anything is possible.

I really think the price tags for any of these vets is way too high and thats why we didnt make a move before the draft. We all better start praying that either Glenn can comeback or TO stays healthy all year.

 

[Vintage]

Even with 1st round picks, your hit/miss ratio is still about only 50%, so I would be willing to spend multiple picks to get a proven Pro Bowler.
For example, go back to the 2003 draft. I have bolded the players that lived up to their 1st round draft status:

1 Carson Palmer QB
2 Charles Rogers WR
3 Andre Johnson WR
4 Dewayne Robertson DT
5 Terence Newman CB
6 Johnathan Sullivan DT
7 Byron Leftwich QB
8 Jordan Gross T
9 Kevin Williams DE
10 Terrell Suggs OLB
11 Marcus Trufant CB
12 Jimmy Kennedy DT
13 Ty Warren DE
14 Michael Haynes DE
15 Jerome McDougle DE
16 Troy Polamalu DB
17 Bryant Johnson WR
18 Calvin Pace DE
19 Kyle Boller QB
20 George Foster T
21 Jeff Faine C
22 Rex Grossman QB
23 Willis McGahee RB
24 Dallas Clark TE
25 William Joseph DT
26 Kwame Harris T
27 Larry Johnson RB
28 Andre Woolfolk CB
29 Nick Barnett MLB
30 Sammy Davis CB
31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB
32 Tyler Brayton DE

Thats 18 of 32 players living up to their draft status, or 56%. So basically, its the flip of a coin that you will get what you will get a star in the first round.

I believe this team is deep enough in talent that adding a player of RW's caliber would put us over the top. When we traded for Galloway, we were no where near the talent that we possess now, and therefor could not afford to give up those picks. Then, first rounders were considered instant starters because of how bad we were. Now, we are in a position that even first round players might not even see the playing field.

How has Robertson, Sullivan, Kennedy, and McDougle lived up to their status?

 

[BigTimeCowboy]

Guys even if he is a RESTRICTED FA next season, we wait and all hes going to cost us is a 1st and 3rd if they dont match the offer...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Guys even if he is a RESTRICTED FA next season, we wait and all hes going to cost us is a 1st and 3rd if they dont match the offer...

??????

Roy is an unrestricted FA, if Detroit franchises him it will cost us two 1st rounders.

That is too step for my blood, I pass.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Guys even if he is a RESTRICTED FA next season, we wait and all hes going to cost us is a 1st and 3rd if they dont match the offer...

RW is an unrestricted FA next year

 

[The30YardSlant]

I don't see the infatuation with a #3 wr, THAT DETROIT IS GIVING UP ON.....

A #3 WR?



Sometimes I wonder if Nors isnt just the most well-conceived troll of all-time