Questionable move, TE & DL for peanuts

[MichaelWinicki]

And there was certainly no reason to keep Ferguson on the roster... old, expensive and a year on the shelf from an injury-- he wasn't worth keeping.

And then you have the issue of him taking a roster spot from a younger player.

Good riddance.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Totally agree. The Fasano trade made no sense. It I thought it was nonsensical to then turn around and burn a high draft pick for Martellus Bennett, who has only the "potential" tag on him. Meanwhile, Fasano is puting up numbers.

Me? I would have used that burned draft pick on a QB or WR.

But that is all spilt milk under the bridge.

 

[xtreme_2k]

How effective can Fasano be once teams starts game planning for him? Prior to coming to Miami not too many have game films of him as a go to guy like he is now in Miami. Fergy was not an option due to his age, in comparison we have Tank and Ratliff filling in for that spot, which of those 2 would leave out over Fergy?

 

[jterrell]

Please stop crying... we have the best team in the NFL on paper.

Here's why they are no longer here:

Akin... He made no plays last year. He is no more physical than Zach but diagnoses plays far less rapidly. He was on a rather expensive contract to be your 4th backer. We overpaid for him while we developed linebackers.

Fasano... He just isn't a good natural athlete. He is more Bavaro than Witten.
He would not have held off Tony Curtis was the thinking inside the organization.
He also doesn't help on special teams much. Thats a lot of jack to pay 2nd round money to a 3rd TE who isn't even active if he can't help on special teams a lot.

Fergy... Fergy was good here when healthy but he was expensive and ended up quite admirably replaced by the younger and healthier Ratliff not to mention the more talented Tank Johnson.

I am sure there was lots of dialogue with BP and us getting Zach was part of the whole thing. We let BP pick up some overpaid older guys we didn't want to pay and we got Zach and some salary cap relief out of it.

 

[Eskimo]

And there was certainly no reason to keep Ferguson on the roster... old, expensive and a year on the shelf from an injury-- he wasn't worth keeping.

And then you have the issue of him taking a roster spot from a younger player.

Good riddance.

I disagree. Ferguson is a much better run stopper and would have provided good depth at a very important position. It would also have freed up Ratliff to use his quickness to great advantage by spending more time at DE.

I still think not many teams have consistently tried to take advantage of our softness up the gut. One of the teams that did have some success was the Giants and they look to be a strong running team again this year.

 

[Nexx]

once again, knee jerking at its finest. did you see the TD? he stumbled into the defender making his cut, had to be one of the most poorly run routes ive seen from a pretty unathletic bad route runner. luckly for him the defender was equally inept. so i guess if we still have furgie then tank should sit? whatever. how about you focus on what we have and that one all pro tightend, one very solid tightend and one up and coming stud at tightend. good lord i hope julius doesnt have one decent game otherwise im sure you would be anointing that one as the worst offseason move ever letting him go.
go take your chicken little stuff elsewhere, im enjoying the win and the players we have here.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Fasano thing is nothing more than the simple fact that he's now THE GUY at TE there. He was never, ever, ever, going to put up those type of numbers here in Dallas, unless Jason Witten got injuried. That is why.

 

[dueyhemlock]

Please stop crying... we have the best team in the NFL on paper.

once again, knee jerking at its finest.............................go take your chicken little stuff elsewhere, im enjoying the win and the players we have here.

Ok guys, what does crying, knee jerking, and chicken little wanna be act have to do with an observation about what took place at draft time? I expressed an opinion about position upgrade and trading of players at low value and I get internet tough guys ridiculing it. Wow I'm sorry we don't see eye to eye.

There's no one here not enjoying the players we have and the success of our team. You need to take your torches and pitchforks and find yourselves another witch to burn.

Maybe in the future you can have an objective opinion for discussion and not be so quick to flame a person, then again maybe not. :explode:

 

[theogt]

Fasano does not have nearly the upside Bennet has....I saw enough of Fasano to know he could never be a dual threat TE at the level we need it done here. So if Witten ever went down Fasano could not replace him. Could Bennet? We don't know...but we do know he has the skill set to step in for Witten.

I liked Fasano while he was here, but I think that Bennett has an upside that Fasano can't even compete with. He's got the chance to be a difference maker, and I don't think Fasano did. As for Fergy, he missed all of last year and is old. There also wasn't a need for him, what with the emergance of Ratliff and Tank. Might as well drop the dead weight.

Maybe its just me, but 8 catches, 84 yards and a TD is about as much upside out of a TE you can expect.

It's okay to think we made a bad decision. We've made a few in the past couple of years. As long as our good decisions outweigh them, though, (and they do) we'll be alright.

 

[Nexx]

Ok guys, what does crying, knee jerking, and chicken little wanna be act have to do with an observation about what took place at draft time? I expressed an opinion about position upgrade and trading of players at low value and I get internet tough guys ridiculing it. Wow I'm sorry we don't see eye to eye.

There's no one here not enjoying the players we have and the success of our team. You need to take your torches and pitchforks and find yourselves another witch to burn.

Maybe in the future you can have an objective opinion for discussion and not be so quick to flame a person, then again maybe not. :explode:

you are no different than people who were crying about olgesby being cut over ball or erik walden being cut. you think you're some sort of super scout and know where all the little hidden gems are on the end of the roster. in the end, none of these players would have had anything to the success of the team this year.

 

[Idgit]

My bad, mental fart.

What was Fergy, a late rounder?

Still that's 2 trades where Big Bill has made Jerry his ...cough, cough... girlfriend.

At the end of the day, after the trading with Miami was done, we were able to upgrade TE, NT, and ILB, and have future draft picks to spare to help compensate for using the extra 2 on Bennett.

If you can move players who are a known commodity to get strength off your bench and stockpile picks in return, you do it. And then you don't expect a smart fan base to complain about it too much.

 

[superpunk]

At the end of the day, after the trading with Miami was done, we were able to upgrade TE, NT, and ILB, and have future draft picks to spare to help compensate for using the extra 2 on Bennett.

If you can move players who are a known commodity to get strength off your bench and stockpile picks in return, you do it. And then you don't expect a smart fan base to complain about it too much.

I know all the "at the end of the day" stuff. But honestly, it's all speculation about how it worked out. The fact is we traded a TE away for a 4th who played gangbusters yesterday (even if Ayodele didn't) and then dropped a second on another TE.

You HAVE to question the wisdom in that move.

 

[Doomsday]

Fasano just didnt fit what we were trying to do here, so they got what they could for him and Fergy. There was no point in keeping an aging DT who may or may not get reps with Tank and others playing so well. No point in trying to fit square pegs in a round hole. I for one think it worked out ok because we recouped the 4th round pick that we gave up for Pacman who will be a contributor all season.

 

[Idgit]

I know all the "at the end of the day" stuff. But honestly, it's all speculation about how it worked out. The fact is we traded a TE away for a 4th who played gangbusters yesterday (even if Ayodele didn't) and then dropped a second on another TE.

You HAVE to question the wisdom in that move.

I'm way out on a limb with an unsupportable conspiracy theory on this one. I still think Fasano/Ayodele was a quid pro quo for BP letting Zack Thomas go early in the offseason.

I have nothing to support this. I just think ZT was the perfect fit for us in the one real area we had trouble on defense last year (underneath coverage with the ILBs). He's too good a player to have just cut, and he's not the type of player BP would make an example of. But he was not going to be around for the rebuilt Dolphins anyway, and BP needed some b-team players to bring in his system in spots where we could furnish them.

I thought Curtis is a comparable player to Fasano, anyway, and drafting Bennett likely was just a case of best available athelete.

 

[superpunk]

I'm way out on a limb with an unsupportable conspiracy theory on this one. I still think Fasano/Ayodele was a quid pro quo for BP letting Zack Thomas go early in the offseason.

I have nothing to support this. I just think ZT was the perfect fit for us in the one real area we had trouble on defense last year (underneath coverage with the ILBs). He's too good a player to have just cut, and he's not the type of player BP would make an example of. But he was not going to be around for the rebuilt Dolphins anyway, and BP needed some b-team players to bring in his system in spots where we could furnish them.

I thought Curtis is a comparable player to Fasano, anyway, and drafting Bennett likely was just a case of best available athelete.

Did you see Zach's interview about how Parcells let him go on Hard Knocks?

Something like "You're a good player, but you're making (whatever it was) and you're old. We're gonna have to cut you." Thomas said it was upsetting, but he appreciated the candor. Basically, that's what Thomas said.

Maybe they're keeping the gentlemen's agreements very hush-hush, lol.

Even with that, it's nearly impossible to rationalize IMO.

 

[zeromaster]

I know all the "at the end of the day" stuff. But honestly, it's all speculation about how it worked out. The fact is we traded a TE away for a 4th who played gangbusters yesterday (even if Ayodele didn't) and then dropped a second on another TE.

You HAVE to question the wisdom in that move.

Sorry, but we don't HAVE to, unless your going to try that Jedi mind thing again.

 

[theogt]

Did you see Zach's interview about how Parcells let him go on Hard Knocks?

Something like "You're a good player, but you're making (whatever it was) and you're old. We're gonna have to cut you." Thomas said it was upsetting, but he appreciated the candor. Basically, that's what Thomas said.

Maybe they're keeping the gentlemen's agreements very hush-hush, lol.

Even with that, it's nearly impossible to rationalize IMO.

Dude, I saw Mario Lopez a couple nights ago. Walked right by me. I restrained myself from yelling, "YO SLATER!"

 

[superpunk]

Sorry, but we don't HAVE to, unless your going to try that Jedi mind thing again.

Ok. Well, I have to.

Dude, I saw Mario Lopez a couple nights ago. Walked right by me. I restrained myself from yelling, "YO SLATER!"

You should have said hello. We could have had a beer.

 

[Idgit]

Did you see Zach's interview about how Parcells let him go on Hard Knocks?

Something like "You're a good player, but you're making (whatever it was) and you're old. We're gonna have to cut you." Thomas said it was upsetting, but he appreciated the candor. Basically, that's what Thomas said.

Maybe they're keeping the gentlemen's agreements very hush-hush, lol.

Even with that, it's nearly impossible to rationalize IMO.

I saw it, but I thought it was b/s. You could tell from the first OTA that ZT was a player. No way Parcells missed on that one. The problem with my theory, though, is I'm not really sure why they'd do it all on the DL when they could have just made the moves outright.

In any event, I'm happy with all the replacement players we've got this year, happy with Bennett's potential, and happy to have the extra picks next year. The rest isn't all that much worth worrying about.

 

[Idgit]

Sorry, but we don't HAVE to, unless your going to try that Jedi mind thing again.

Fasano is not the TE you are looking for...