Quincy Carter Update

[Kilyin]

agreed. The guy never had a shot in my opinion his own fans were down on him the second he was drafted. I hope he has his head on straight now Good Luck Q

What a ridiculous assertion, and even if it were remotely true, fans have jack and sh** to do with whether a professional athlete succeeds or fails. What part of that don't you understand? Lavonya ran himself out of chances, nobody else did.

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

Same song, different verse.......




QC FRIGGIN SUCKED!

 

[Seven]

“Every once in a while a player comes along who causes you to think `this one is different; this one is going to be special. I felt that way about Quincy the first time I ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one.”

Dave Campo on LaVonya Quintelle “Quincy” Carter, 2001.

Gotta give Campo a small break here, Chief. I'm pretty sure he para-phrased Jerry..................or else! Sayin?

 

[RainMan]

“Every once in a while a player comes along who causes you to think `this one is different; this one is going to be special. I felt that way about Quincy the first time I ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one.”

Dave Campo on LaVonya Quintelle “Quincy” Carter, 2001.

To Campo's credit, the word "special" can take on many different meanings. Before we sully his good name, I think we need to define his usage of the word here. Because in many ways, Quincy Carter was and continues to be special.

 

[Nav22]

Before we sully his good name,

Yeah, we wouldn't wanna do that.

*cough Sea World*, *cough 5-11*.

 

[RainMan]

Yeah, we wouldn't wanna do that.

*cough Sea World*, *cough 5-11*.

Try looking as svelte in spandex as Dave Campo. Try pulling that off as well as he did.

I bet you hated his time clock, too.

 

[Nav22]

No, what I hated were his in-game decisions that cost us games.

Remember that Thanksgiving game vs. Denver? Cowboys down 16 with about 6 minutes left, Reggie Swinton takes a punt return back for 6. Rather than go for 2 to cut the lead to 8, he elects for the PAT. We then score another TD with less than 2 minutes left and kick the PAT to cut it to 2. Onside kick fails, game over.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm just glad that the days of QC in Dallas are long over.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

If you value winning, Carter was much better. If you value stats, they were essentially the same.

Anybody who doesn't realize our decent defense and maybe the weakest schedule we've ever played in the history of our team got us to the playoffs that year is just fooling themselves.

Seriously, like 60% of our games that year were against teams who had their starting QB on the bench with an injury.

 

[BruceWayne]

What a ridiculous assertion, and even if it were remotely true, fans have jack and sh** to do with whether a professional athlete succeeds or fails. What part of that don't you understand? Lavonya ran himself out of chances, nobody else did.

I never said he didn't run himself out of chances. What I said was he didn't have a shot the moment he was drafted because nobody outside of Valley Ranch thought he could get the job done. All I ever hear about is how bad Q was what about the other 10 guys on that offense.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm just glad that the days of QC in Dallas are long over.

AMEN!

AMEN!

AMEN!!!

David

 

[Nav22]

Anybody who doesn't realize our decent defense and maybe the weakest schedule we've ever played in the history of our team got us to the playoffs that year is just fooling themselves.

Carter won games that year. Period.

Yes, he had a nice D to fall back on. But he still played the most important position on the field all year, so he deserves his share of the credit for our 10 wins. Since you didn't hesitate to blame him for the losses, it's only fair that he gets credit for the wins.

You guys are such hypocrites. Where is this qualifying and justification for winning games when it comes to Troy Aikman? Troy was blessed with a superior supporting cast when he won Super Bowls, so should we strip him of credit as well?

 

[Hostile]

Carter won games that year. Period.

Yes, he had a nice D to fall back on. But he still played the most important position on the field all year, so he deserves his share of the credit for our 10 wins. Since you didn't hesitate to blame him for the losses, it's only fair that he gets credit for the wins.

You guys are such hypocrites. Where is this qualifying and justification for winning games when it comes to Troy Aikman? Troy was blessed with a superior supporting cast when he won Super Bowls, so should we strip him of credit as well?

Troy doesn't get enough credit. JMO.

 

[Nav22]

Troy doesn't get enough credit. JMO.

I agree. I may sound like a homer here, but it makes me sick to see people regularly rank guys like Elway above Troy. Troy won more than Elway did, and the lack of big stats was due to the nature of our offense which was centered around Emmitt.

I suppose if Troy struggled for years with a mediocre supporting cast like Elway did, he'd be looked at as a true all-time great. Ridiculous.

 

[Hostile]

I agree. I may sound like a homer here, but it makes me sick to see people regularly rank guys like Elway above Troy. Troy won more than Elway did, and the lack of big stats was due to the nature of our offense which was centered around Emmitt.

I suppose if Troy struggled for years with a mediocre supporting cast like Elway did, he'd be looked at as a true all-time great. Ridiculous.

I am one who does rank Elway above him. I personally think Elway would have started over any QB in History if on the same team.

I am talking about the fantasy stats phenomenon where because Aikman didn't throw for 30 TDs per year he gets downgraded in the eyes of some. If we had been that kind of Offense he could have put up those kinds of stats. Troy was about winning and I don't think it gets enough credit. He is the main reason why we became a winner again. He is the main reason why it was brutal after he left.

Again, JMO.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Since you didn't hesitate to blame him for the losses

Show me where I put the blame on Quincy for the losses we had? All I'm saying is he wasn't good. You can sit there and say he was serviceable all you want, but he wasn't even good enough to win a super bowl on a team like the 2000 Ravens where they barely even needed a QB playing.

Quincy was horrible, and that is all there is to it. If you were a fan of any other team you would never be sitting here saying he was good. Do you sit there and talk about how good Kyle Boller is? Because that's about as good as Carter was at his best. Garbage.

 

[burmafrd]

Troy was not the kind of QB who could win with mediocre support; and he did not have the touch of being able to lift the efforts of those around him. BUT he was about as efficient a QB as I have ever seen, and his accuracy & timing frankly was the best that ever was.
Having said all that, Q STILL SUCKS.
ANYONE saying he deserves any major credit for 2003 is nuts. Our smoke and mirrors D, a very weak schedule, and BP maybe having the best year coaching he ever had with us all were much more important.

 

[zeromaster]

I was really hoping this thread would make the Roy threads take a back seat for a bit, but no such luck.

 

[Nav22]

If you were a fan of any other team you would never be sitting here saying he was good.

I never said he was good, just that he was serviceable for a year. "Horrible" QBs don't take their teams to the playoffs like Quincy did.

And we will never know if he would've made the jump from "serviceable" to "good" if he didn't smoke his career away.

In the end, it appears that it worked out well for the 'Boys. If Quincy wasn't cut in 2004, Romo would've gotten the axe. Carter, Testaverde, and Henson were surely going to be our QBs.

In Quincy's first 3 years, he had to play under 3 different offensive systems. That's a tough situation to be in as a QB, especially when you're also dealing with a porous offensive line and mediocre run game.

And in comparison, Romo had the luxury of spending his first 3 years on the bench watching and learning.

Troy was not the kind of QB who could win with mediocre support; and he did not have the touch of being able to lift the efforts of those around him.

Okay. Now don't be a hypocrite. Since you've stripped Quincy of any credit he might have gotten for his 10 wins in 2003, let's hear you say that Troy doesn't deserve much credit for the Super Bowl wins.

Yes, compared to Troy, Quincy sucked. Nobody's debating that. But if Quincy deserves 0 credit because he had a strong D to support him, Troy surely doesn't deserve much credit either.

Troy had the best OL in the game, the best RB in the game, one of the best WRs in the game, one of the best receiving TEs in the game, and one of the best Ds in the game.

So go ahead. I'm all ears.

I am one who does rank Elway above him. I personally think Elway would have started over any QB in History if on the same team.

I disagree. Troy won more Super Bowls, he had a lower career INT%, a higher QB rating, and was a better overall playoff performer.

There are several QBs I'd take over Elway, including Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Brady won 3 rings with less talent than Elway had when he finally won his 2 rings, and it didn't take Brady 14 years to get it done like it did Elway.

Between 1988 and 1992, Elway did not have a single good season statistically. His TD-INT ratios were 17-19, 18-18, 15-14, 13-12, and 10-17 in these 5 years. In today's NFL, there is no way a starting QB could have 5 straight mediocre seasons and still be a starter in the league, much less remain the starter on his own team.

 

[Hostile]

I disagree. Troy won more Super Bowls, he had a lower career INT%, a higher QB rating, and was a better overall playoff performer.

There are several QBs I'd take over Elway, including Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Brady won 3 rings with less talent than Elway had when he finally won his 2 rings, and it didn't take Brady 14 years to get it done like it did Elway.

Between 1988 and 1992, Elway did not have a single good season statistically. His TD-INT ratios were 17-19, 18-18, 15-14, 13-12, and 10-17 in these 5 years. In today's NFL, there is no way a starting QB could have 5 straight mediocre seasons and still be a starter in the league, much less remain the starter on his own team.

Like I said, if on the same team. Since that can never happen it's hard to debate it. I just don't think any QB in History would start over Elway if they were on the same team. The guy is the mold.