"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[theogt]

I don't think that's bad.

However I do believe that ILB that pass rush are "blitzers" even if there are only 4 (total) pass rushers.

See I've never bought into the definition that a blitz was suppose to "out-number" the amount of pass-blockers. I look at it as a "surprise" move by the defense. Like the zone blitz. Whereas some do not consider that a true blitz, I do because the idea is to create confusion.

Eh...if both OLBs drop into coverage and an ILB rushes the QB in a 3-4 I don't consider that a blitz. It's debatable I guess, but I don't think Parcells would consider a blitz either. Actually, I don't think he would do it without rushing one of the OLBs also. No sense vacating the middle when you're not going to get to the QB (it's easier to pick this pass rush up).

 

[superpunk]

If a lineman isn't dropping into a vacated zone, what is he dropping into? Some LB's zone? This sounds like a pretty poorly designed play.

Oh lordy....he's not dropping anywhere. He's rushing the passer. In a 3-4, say the DT, RE, ROLB, and SILB all rush, while the LE plays contain on his side. This isn't a blitz? There aren't enough blockers on that side to block all 4 of them.

Blitzes create confusion or mismatches. That's pretty much the end. You cannot quantify it, because the number isn't important.

 

[NorthTexan95]

In my view if you have a 4-3 defense, if anyone other than the 4 down-lineman rush the passer it's a "blitz".

In a 3-4 defense, if anyone other than the 3 down-lineman AND one of the OLB rush the passer it's a blitz.

I'll go with this.

 

[NorthTexan95]

So basically Michael what you are saying is that any time 5 or more players rush the QB it is a blitz?

It doesn't matter how many are rushing but only what postion they play. For example, if you have 5 down linemen in on the field and they all rush it's not a blitz ... because they were all down linemen. If it's 4 down linemen and a linebacker or a defensive back then its a blitz.

 

[Screw The Hall]

It was referring to both speed and numbers.

The definition only refers to speed not numbers at all.

In fact the Germans were outnumbered incredibly often times in their battles with the Russians but outmaneuvered them for devastating victories early on.

The entire strategy was based on speed and suprise.

 

[Vintage]

The definition only refers to speed not numbers at all.

In fact the Germans were outnumbered incredibly often times in their battles with the Russians but outmaneuvered them for devastating victories early on.

The entire strategy was based on speed and suprise.

Correct. Blitzkrieg means lightning warfare. It was about speed and surprise....NOT numbers.

 

[theogt]

Oh lordy....he's not dropping anywhere. He's rushing the passer. In a 3-4, say the DT, RE, ROLB, and SILB all rush, while the LE plays contain on his side. This isn't a blitz? There aren't enough blockers on that side to block all 4 of them.

Blitzes create confusion or mismatches. That's pretty much the end. You cannot quantify it, because the number isn't important.

That's not what you said originally:

So, if I overload one side with 4 pass rushers and drop the other side into coverage or have them play contain, that isn't a blitz?

I think not.

By other side I thought you meant the LOLB and LDE. If the LDE is staying in to rush the passer than you have 6 players rushing the QB. Obviously that's a blitz under my definition.

 

[theogt]

It doesn't matter how many are rushing but only what postion they play. For example, if you have 5 down linemen in on the field and they all rush it's not a blitz ... because they were all down linemen. If it's 4 down linemen and a linebacker or a defensive back then its a blitz.

If you have 5 down linemen and they are rushing the passer it is most certainly a blitz.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Eh...if both OLBs drop into coverage and an ILB rushes the QB in a 3-4 I don't consider that a blitz. It's debatable I guess, but I don't think Parcells would consider a blitz either. Actually, I don't think he would do it without rushing one of the OLBs also. No sense vacating the middle when you're not going to get to the QB (it's easier to pick this pass rush up).

Well see that's where we differ a tad because I just don't think the ILB's are seen by offensive coordinators as being pass rushers. So when they do pass rush it's a surprise.

 

[superpunk]

That's not what you said originally:

By other side I thought you meant the LOLB and LDE. If the LDE is staying in to rush the passer than you have 6 players rushing the QB. Obviously that's a blitz under my definition.

Four rushers one side

Third Dlinemen drops, or plays contain. He is not getting into a vacated zone. This is a straight blitz. You're getting hung up on an irrelevant point. Stop with that, realize you CANNOT quantify it, and roll with what a blitz does. What it is....depends on alot of things. A blitz creates confusion, or mismatches. Numbers are irrellevant.

Numbers are irrelevant.

Numbers are irrelevant.

 

[theogt]

Correct. Blitzkrieg means lightning warfare. It was about speed and surprise....NOT numbers.

It's about overwhelming strategic points of your opponent. This is done by being fast and numerous. In the grand scheme of the war, a unit that would blitzkrieg would be relatively small. However, the unit would always outnumber the particular opponent it was attacking.

 

[theogt]

Four rushers one side

Third Dlinemen drops, or plays contain. He is not getting into a vacated zone. This is a straight blitz. You're getting hung up on an irrelevant point. Stop with that, realize you CANNOT quantify it, and roll with what a blitz does. What it is....depends on alot of things. A blitz creates confusion, or mismatches. Numbers are irrellevant.

Numbers are irrelevant.

Numbers are irrelevant.

Actually you can quantify it. I have. My definition fits all circumstances. When you come up with one that is outside of my definition I'll admit that you cannot quantify it. Thus far you haven't. Numbers are obviously relevant. Every DC in the league will tell you that.

 

[ravidubey]

Nothing to add, just extending the thread that would not die. +1.

 

[NorthTexan95]

If you have 5 down linemen and they are rushing the passer it is most certainly a blitz.

It is most certainly not! Sorry, we haven't designated your defination as authority yet.

 

[theogt]

It is most certainly not! Sorry, we haven't designated your defination as authority yet.

If you think that 5 defensive players rushing towards the passer is not a blitz, then we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

 

[NorthTexan95]

Actually you can quantify it. I have. My definition fits all circumstances. When you come up with one that is outside of my definition I'll admit that you cannot quantify it. Thus far you haven't. Numbers are obviously relevant. Every DC in the league will tell you that.

Your defination might fit all circumstances but that doesn't make it correct.

It all depends on the position of the player rushing.

 

[superpunk]

Actually you can quantify it. I have. My definition fits all circumstances. When you come up with one that is outside of my definition I'll admit that you cannot quantify it. Thus far you haven't. Numbers are obviously relevant. Every DC in the league will tell you that.

OK. Keep thinking that. With a blitz, all you need to do is create a mismatch, overload a gap, or bring more to a side than they can block. Before someone on the other side can react, you're through. My example already is outside your definition. Two linemen and two LBs rush. This is a blitz. Five guys with their hands on the ground - not a blitz.

Your definition is a nice generalization, but not accurate. No definition will be accurate, as long as it attempts to be specific in quantities. No way.

 

[superpunk]

Nothing to add, just extending the thread that would not die. +1.

There are free cupcakes at the door.

 

[theogt]

Your defination might fit all circumstances but that doesn't make it correct.

It all depends on the position of the player rushing.

So basically it defines all possible scenarios, but it is not correct? I guess we'll have to define the term "correct" now.

 

[theogt]

OK. Keep thinking that. With a blitz, all you need to do is create a mismatch, overload a gap, or bring more to a side than they can block. Before someone on the other side can react, you're through. My example already is outside your definition. Two linemen and two LBs rush. This is a blitz. Five guys with their hands on the ground - not a blitz.

Your definition is a nice generalization, but not accurate. No definition will be accurate, as long as it attempts to be specific in quantities. No way.

Give me an example where my definition doesn't fit (excluding the scenario where MW and I discussed earlier).