Rambling Rant of the day with a Message to the CZ

[Point-of-the-Star]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

 

[Havic]

Josh Allen has for sure played himself out of the top 5. His turnovers from last year has carried over to this season so far.

 

[DallasEast]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

You made this a Dak thread.

Enjoy.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

You made this a Dak thread.

Enjoy.

Lol, not a Dak thread till the Horsemen roll in.

 

[big dog cowboy]

-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4

Dak has been in the league 2 more years. If he has a 4-4 playoff record the narrative in here about him would be much different.

 

[DallasEast]

Lol, not a Dak thread till the Horsemen roll in.

Ain't that the gospel truth.

 

[blueblood70]

You made this a Dak thread.

Enjoy.

But really it needs to be said you get tired of hearing the entire offseason about Prescott being the reason we're being held back by the quarterback because of his interceptions for one season... No context whatsoever literally we've seen a ton of those interceptions we're not on Prescott but that's all anyone wants to talk about here in the media social media nationally I mean they made it like a special program to talk about Prescott..

That's why I bring up other quarterbacks like where was all this talk with Matthew Stafford 20 interceptions his Super Bowl year and he threw two interceptions in the Super bowl but nobody really talked about it because they won but they didn't win because of Matthew Stafford alone they won because of the team was able to overcome his mistakes... In Buffalo actually almost overcame his mistakes they had that shot I mean they went to overtime..

So let me explain to you fans our fans rival fans media social media the cowboy zone and all the big time sports talk shows all they did is focus on Prescott when we all know Josh Allen's a leader in turnover since he was drafted..

Plus there are quarterbacks throughout history that are in the Hall of Fame like Brett farve Peyton Manning and some with a couple Super Bowls like Eli Manning they threw a lot of interceptions.. Also I always have to keep posting this list because everybody around here thinks Troy and Roger walked on water and they did not they made a lot of mistakes but the teams and the coaching staff were able to overcome the mistakes so they're not asking their quarterback to be perfect

that's the problem around here our fan base thinks Prescott is supposed to be perfect when things around him aren't perfect... And I'm spouting facts but here's the list again you show me where Troy and Roger played mistake free football or played better than Prescott when it comes to turnovers and I'm gonna call anyone who says otherwise a liar and I don't wanna hear about that era they had better teams they had better coaching and yet they still made a bunch of mistakes..

roger

td 153-109 ints Playoffs 24td 19INTs(umm none of those critical LMAO) UMM OK



Troy-

165-141 playoffs 23tds-17 INts(right none critical huh?) no way jimmy would have put up with that



Dwhite

155-132 playoffs 15-17 WOW no way TL puts up with mistakes at critical time LOL



Romo

248-117 playoffs 8 tds 2 INts show me the critical INts hmm his td-int ratio is much better



Dak

166-65 playoffs 11-5ints

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

You made this a Dak thread.

Enjoy.

Yeah, well there's a pink elephant in the room and we should compare our race horse to what the other stables are trotting out shouldn't we. This board should post about our players and how they match up . . . right???????

 

[ChuckA1]

Thing is, many of us get tired of everything homer / anti Dak. Not every subject has to lead us back to Dak, pro or con!

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah, well there's a pink elephant in the room and we should compare our race horse to what the other stables are trotting out shouldn't we. This board should post about our players and how they match up . . . right???????

100

right we had to listen to all that nonsense all offseason by our own fans and then on top of it by the national media making a joke out of our quarterback but yet they're top five pretty boy constantly making mistakes doesn't get talked about enough....

 

[shabazz]

You made this a Dak thread.

Enjoy.

Allen now officially reminds me of our old #9 in that he can ball so high at times but is now throwing the most inopportune picks……he’s the prototype QB build but currently regressing.

I think the Bills talent is overrated and he’s still trying to put too much on himself because they aren’t what they should be.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Ain't that the gospel truth.

Lol

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah, well there's a pink elephant in the room and we should compare our race horse to what the other stables are trotting out shouldn't we. This board should post about our players and how they match up . . . right???????

You do know the word 'players' is plural... right???????

You do know that one player has been discussed ad nauseam, exceedingly beyond the gagging past nothing-else-is-coming-up-anymore stage, out of an entire roster for going on a decade... right???????

If so, you understand my previous post.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

But really it needs to be said you get tired of hearing the entire offseason about Prescott being the reason we're being held back by the quarterback because of his interceptions for one season... No context whatsoever literally we've seen a ton of those interceptions we're not on Prescott but that's all anyone wants to talk about here in the media social media nationally I mean they made it like a special program to talk about Prescott..

That's why I bring up other quarterbacks like where was all this talk with Matthew Stafford 20 interceptions his Super Bowl year and he threw two interceptions in the Super bowl but nobody really talked about it because they won but they didn't win because of Matthew Stafford alone they won because of the team was able to overcome his mistakes... In Buffalo actually almost overcame his mistakes they had that shot I mean they went to overtime..

So let me explain to you fans our fans rival fans media social media the cowboy zone and all the big time sports talk shows all they did is focus on Prescott when we all know Josh Allen's a leader in turnover since he was drafted..

Plus there are quarterbacks throughout history that are in the Hall of Fame like Brett farve Peyton Manning and some with a couple Super Bowls like Eli Manning they threw a lot of interceptions.. Also I always have to keep posting this list because everybody around here thinks Troy and Roger walked on water and they did not they made a lot of mistakes but the teams and the coaching staff were able to overcome the mistakes so they're not asking their quarterback to be perfect

that's the problem around here our fan base thinks Prescott is supposed to be perfect when things around him aren't perfect... And I'm spouting facts but here's the list again you show me where Troy and Roger played mistake free football or played better than Prescott when it comes to turnovers and I'm gonna call anyone who says otherwise a liar and I don't wanna hear about that era they had better teams they had better coaching and yet they still made a bunch of mistakes..

roger

td 153-109 ints Playoffs 24td 19INTs(umm none of those critical LMAO) UMM OK



Troy-

165-141 playoffs 23tds-17 INts(right none critical huh?) no way jimmy would have put up with that



Dwhite

155-132 playoffs 15-17 WOW no way TL puts up with mistakes at critical time LOL



Romo

248-117 playoffs 8 tds 2 INts show me the critical INts hmm his td-int ratio is much better



Dak

166-65 playoffs 11-5ints

Outstanding comparisons !

Elisha Manning especially stands out as his TD numbers and turnover numbers are equal. Same could be said about playoff results of "name" quarterbacks. John Elway had a passer rating of 79.7 with 4,964 yards, 27 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in 22 games in the playoffs in his career.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Dak has been in the league 2 more years. If he has a 4-4 playoff record the narrative in here about him would be much different.

Absolutely, Allen enjoys more slack because he's had some playoff success, he's shown up when it counted at least once. Once Dak does that people will give him a little more slack... but not too much, he is the Cowboys QB after all.

 

[blueblood70]

Outstanding comparisons !

Elisha Manning especially stands out as his TD numbers and turnover numbers are equal. Same could be said about playoff results of "name" quarterbacks. John Elway had a passer rating of 79.7 with 4,964 yards, 27 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in 22 games in the playoffs in his career.

You know the argument that people will come at you with is that eras were different and it was different and defense was different but all I say is an interception is an interception and aren't they worse when you're on a great team full of great players and you still make mistakes..?? How is it that Troy threw so many interceptions when they were known to be a running team with a great offensive line and great receivers and a great tight end and yet somehow he still threw a lot of interceptions

I can answer that because no quarterback is perfect and there are a lot of good defenses out there and interceptions are part of the game and the great teams overcome them and we have not been a great team in the playoffs yet..

 

[phildadon86]

You do know the word 'players' is plural... right???????

You do know that one player has been discussed ad nauseam, exceedingly beyond the gagging past nothing-else-is-coming-up-anymore stage, out of an entire roster for going on a decade... right???????

If so, you understand my previous post.

I think the biggest thing was. All of those Dak threads had the same people in them. Literally every time. The funny thing was. Those people didnt post about anything else. So I am very happy about the new rule. LOL.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

It's not about the percentage of passes that are picked or how many picks Dak has... It never has been... It's about the timing of said picks. It's when Dak is under pressure. He can't handle pressure...

 

[DallasEast]

I think the biggest thing was. All of those Dak threads had the same people in them. Literally every time. The funny thing was. Those people didnt post about anything else. So I am very happy about the new rule. LOL.

Keep in mind the new rule is for all members from 'both' sides of The Dak Thang.

 

[austin88]

There are good reasons to have Allen as a top 5 QB. He has elite tools, both as a passer and a runner, and really seemed to figure things out in 2020. He was brilliant in their two playoff games in 2021; only Mahomes magic stopped the Bills that year.

That said, he's turned the ball over more than any other player since 2018 (though a few other guys are worse on a per-game basis). And as last night showed, he's got some pretty bad hero-ball tendencies that are going to torpedo the Bills' chances if can't get control of them. I'd expect commentary on him to get more mixed if he doesn't get this cleaned up.