Rambling Rant of the day with a Message to the CZ

[DallasInDC]

Dak has been in the league 2 more years. If he has a 4-4 playoff record the narrative in here about him would be much different.

Yes, but 1 year was lost to injury...so really only 1 more year. Including one year either one of the worst defenses ever.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Allen is one of those QBs who teases you with his talent, but frustrates the hell out of you with "Romo-esque" wild ways. From all accounts, players love him. Like Romo, he probably needs his Parcells to reign him in.

 

[glimmerman]

But really it needs to be said you get tired of hearing the entire offseason about Prescott being the reason we're being held back by the quarterback because of his interceptions for one season... No context whatsoever literally we've seen a ton of those interceptions we're not on Prescott but that's all anyone wants to talk about here in the media social media nationally I mean they made it like a special program to talk about Prescott..

That's why I bring up other quarterbacks like where was all this talk with Matthew Stafford 20 interceptions his Super Bowl year and he threw two interceptions in the Super bowl but nobody really talked about it because they won but they didn't win because of Matthew Stafford alone they won because of the team was able to overcome his mistakes... In Buffalo actually almost overcame his mistakes they had that shot I mean they went to overtime..

So let me explain to you fans our fans rival fans media social media the cowboy zone and all the big time sports talk shows all they did is focus on Prescott when we all know Josh Allen's a leader in turnover since he was drafted..

Plus there are quarterbacks throughout history that are in the Hall of Fame like Brett farve Peyton Manning and some with a couple Super Bowls like Eli Manning they threw a lot of interceptions.. Also I always have to keep posting this list because everybody around here thinks Troy and Roger walked on water and they did not they made a lot of mistakes but the teams and the coaching staff were able to overcome the mistakes so they're not asking their quarterback to be perfect

that's the problem around here our fan base thinks Prescott is supposed to be perfect when things around him aren't perfect... And I'm spouting facts but here's the list again you show me where Troy and Roger played mistake free football or played better than Prescott when it comes to turnovers and I'm gonna call anyone who says otherwise a liar and I don't wanna hear about that era they had better teams they had better coaching and yet they still made a bunch of mistakes..

roger

td 153-109 ints Playoffs 24td 19INTs(umm none of those critical LMAO) UMM OK



Troy-

165-141 playoffs 23tds-17 INts(right none critical huh?) no way jimmy would have put up with that



Dwhite

155-132 playoffs 15-17 WOW no way TL puts up with mistakes at critical time LOL



Romo

248-117 playoffs 8 tds 2 INts show me the critical INts hmm his td-int ratio is much better



Dak

166-65 playoffs 11-5ints

All undeniable facts. These SB we won was team wins. When you get to the playoffs the talent level is much more even. This is when your staff is really needed. HC and OC and DC needs to make changes on the fly. So many games we have lost and opposing players laughing after the game saying we never change anything. It’s the same game plan all game long.

I noticed when Romo was our QB so many hated him or loved him. And the haters would blame Romo for loses because of ints or fumbles. He put up a lot of TDs for us.

Moving forward we have a young kid drafted late in the draft in 2016. Romo on his last leg gets hurt trying to run with the ball in preseason. Dak gets his starting job because everyone else gets hurt. Moore broke his ankle or linehan would have had him in the starting job. Dak takes the reins and has one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time. And it starts. The lovers and the haters. One thing he always did was take care of the ball. Last year he had 1 WR in Lamb he was comfortable with that could get open. He throws the most picks he has ever thrown. Looking at them it’s obvious more than a handful was not his fault. But because he has the ball in his hands he gets the blame. But when we win it’s a team win.

I am glad to see you making this post with the sobering stats. I have heard others saying this while the game was going on. They didn’t want to hear anything about blaming certain QB for his ints but make excuses for other qbs. Especially when some of those picks were terrible choices and throws. The guy threw 3 picks in one game. Let’s make excuses. But if Dak had thrown 1 pick in our blowout win we would have 5 threads about here we go again with Dak turning it over put in Lance. Lol.

Again thanks for the stats. Crazy to see the numbers. Never really heard anyone complaining about Aikmans picks.

 

[Creeper]

Two years ago I made a comment about Josh Allen being overrated and an inaccurate passer and Bills fans came at me like I slept with their moms. His reputation went way up after he beat the Cowboys the last time they played. The more you watch him the more you realize he is a good QB with some skills but he is not really one of the top QBs in the league. But every QB has an off day so we shouldn't make too much of one game.

 

[glimmerman]

Yes, but 1 year was lost to injury...so really only 1 more year. Including one year either one of the worst defenses ever.

Yeah and 5 games last year. Has allen missed any games due to injury.

 

[MarcusRock]

Thing is, many of us get tired of everything homer / anti Dak. Not every subject has to lead us back to Dak, pro or con!

We are a tortured bunch on here. Collinsworth isn't blowing pure sunshine up our fan rears and other QBs aren't getting criticized as much as the QB for America's Team, which we also proudly tout and then wonder why there's more scrutiny. Life just ain't fair. I don't believe in anything anymore! Lol.

 

[blueblood70]

All undeniable facts. These SB we won was team wins. When you get to the playoffs the talent level is much more even. This is when your staff is really needed. HC and OC and DC needs to make changes on the fly. So many games we have lost and opposing players laughing after the game saying we never change anything. It’s the same game plan all game long.

I noticed when Romo was our QB so many hated him or loved him. And the haters would blame Romo for loses because of ints or fumbles. He put up a lot of TDs for us.

Moving forward we have a young kid drafted late in the draft in 2016. Romo on his last leg gets hurt trying to run with the ball in preseason. Dak gets his starting job because everyone else gets hurt. Moore broke his ankle or linehan would have had him in the starting job. Dak takes the reins and has one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time. And it starts. The lovers and the haters. One thing he always did was take care of the ball. Last year he had 1 WR in Lamb he was comfortable with that could get open. He throws the most picks he has ever thrown. Looking at them it’s obvious more than a handful was not his fault. But because he has the ball in his hands he gets the blame. But when we win it’s a team win.

I am glad to see you making this post with the sobering stats. I have heard others saying this while the game was going on. They didn’t want to hear anything about blaming certain QB for his ints but make excuses for other qbs. Especially when some of those picks were terrible choices and throws. The guy threw 3 picks in one game. Let’s make excuses. But if Dak had thrown 1 pick in our blowout win we would have 5 threads about here we go again with Dak turning it over put in Lance. Lol.

Again thanks for the stats. Crazy to see the numbers. Never really heard anyone complaining about Aikmans picks.

amen

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

There aren't 5 quarterbacks better than Josh Allen, turnovers or no.

He is that entire offense, and the environment around him makes it impossible to succeed without high-risk plays. Like Dallas the past few years, Buffalo has failed to invest in WRs and refuses to build anything easy into the offense. Quarterbacks who ARE the system get a much longer leash than others.

 

[VaqueroTD]

There aren't 5 quarterbacks better than Josh Allen, turnovers or no.

He is that entire offense, and the environment around him makes it impossible to succeed without high-risk plays. Like Dallas the past few years, Buffalo has failed to invest in WRs and refuses to build anything easy into the offense. Quarterbacks who ARE the system get a much longer leash than others.

You have a point. The young offensive genius days may be coming to a close and if the Boys are successful, you may see more teams going that direction?

 

[John813]

He takes too many unnecessary risks.

Team had a late lead. No reason to throw into double coverage.

 

[blueblood70]

All undeniable facts. These SB we won was team wins. When you get to the playoffs the talent level is much more even. This is when your staff is really needed. HC and OC and DC needs to make changes on the fly. So many games we have lost and opposing players laughing after the game saying we never change anything. It’s the same game plan all game long.

I noticed when Romo was our QB so many hated him or loved him. And the haters would blame Romo for loses because of ints or fumbles. He put up a lot of TDs for us.

Moving forward we have a young kid drafted late in the draft in 2016. Romo on his last leg gets hurt trying to run with the ball in preseason. Dak gets his starting job because everyone else gets hurt. Moore broke his ankle or linehan would have had him in the starting job. Dak takes the reins and has one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time. And it starts. The lovers and the haters. One thing he always did was take care of the ball. Last year he had 1 WR in Lamb he was comfortable with that could get open. He throws the most picks he has ever thrown. Looking at them it’s obvious more than a handful was not his fault. But because he has the ball in his hands he gets the blame. But when we win it’s a team win.

I am glad to see you making this post with the sobering stats. I have heard others saying this while the game was going on. They didn’t want to hear anything about blaming certain QB for his ints but make excuses for other qbs. Especially when some of those picks were terrible choices and throws. The guy threw 3 picks in one game. Let’s make excuses. But if Dak had thrown 1 pick in our blowout win we would have 5 threads about here we go again with Dak turning it over put in Lance. Lol.

Again thanks for the stats. Crazy to see the numbers. Never really heard anyone complaining about Aikmans picks.

And yet I was rewatching an old Super Bowl the second of the back-to-back bills Super Bowls I believe that was the year Troy was hurt in Burlein came in for a while,

Troy Aikman 13 touchdowns 12 interceptions in that season takes back over in the playoffs was not perfect and in that Super Bowl we were down by 10 points because he couldn't pass the ball past five yards he was dinkoing in Dunkin and he had an interception maybe a pick 6 and you know what happens the team shows up first series of the second-half the defense gets a pick six or something like that that takes seven points back into the game then we just run the ball down their throats and get a field goal on the next drive end up tying the game...

None of that was spectacular play by 1 Troy Aikman.. Lots of these wins and losses by all these generations of Cowboys teams were team related..​

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The reason Troy and Roger didn't get a lot of hate because they didn't live in the age of the Internet and social media where everything is being broke down into so many fine parts and talked about so much on so many different areas of sports,​

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trust me imagine if these guys played right now the way this stuff is broke down and talked about is saturated market of media everywhere they would be called Jags I mean Troy would have been the basically Baker Mayfield had he not landed on this team.. He would have been called the Jag they would have been calling for his head.... I mean Danny white there was a guy telling me Danny white was better than Prescott and Romo and yet when I had to remind him of just how many mistakes and how little stats Danny White had but all he can remember was three straight NFC championship games... So he was putting Danny white ahead of Prescott and Romo because he went to the championship games but he didn't have any contexts whatsoever... Danny white was tyrod Taylor on a much better team with much better coaches..​

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That's a fact just there wasn't so much talk about it because there was no social media no Internet and there wasn't 50 sports stations to turn on or trying to find stories so they breakdown these games from play to play not series to series...​

 

[ShortRound]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

It was such a quiet day here too

 

[phildadon86]

Keep in mind the new rule is for all members from 'both' sides of The Dak Thang.

Im good with that. I really only ever replied. Rarely started threads about that lol

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You have a point. The young offensive genius days may be coming to a close and if the Boys are successful, you may see more teams going that direction?

I don't really think that's true - it's just that the Bills haven't followed course.

They have failed Josh Allen in largely the same way Baltimore has with Lamar, LAC has with Herbert (though injuries that paint a less clear picture) and the Chiefs are currently failing Mahomes.

If you have a young and prolific QB, all of your resources should be poured into an offensive HC, OL and receivers. Let everything after that fall where it may.

 

[Chuck 54]

We can do anything we want in Cowboyszone, but when ESPN or other media types post rankings, it has little to do with winning or team success. Most people are ranking QB's on their talent, physical ability running and passing, along with stats and the occasional superlative game like Josh Allen had against Mahommes.

 

[Vandyr]

I’d take Josh over Dak in a heartbeat

 

[InPhiltraitor]

I’d take Josh over Dak in a heartbeat

That one-liner next to the Captain Obvious avatar is precious.

 

[blueblood70]

We can do anything we want in Cowboyszone, but when ESPN or other media types post rankings, it has little to do with winning or team success. Most people are ranking QB's on their talent, physical ability running and passing, along with stats and the occasional superlative game like Josh Allen had against Mahommes.

You mean a superlative game in a loss??

I thought stats didn't matter and only wins matter....

so you're giving him a moral victory for this is that what you're saying? seems to me that's what they're doin....oss no he fumble the ball and he lost... This is why threads like this get started because we're tired of the goal posts being moved and standards being changed I thought it was just about winning whether it's winning ugly or winning pretty but no moral victories for playing really well in a loss??

 

[Vtwin]

The attitude that is a huge factor in the ability to take over a game and carry the team, is the same attitude that can get you in trouble for trying to do to much.

Allen has that attitude. He needs to mature to the point where he figures out where the line is and rein himself in a bit.

It's easier to rein in an overly aggressive guy, than it is to fire up a 'take what's there' kinda guy.

 

[Shane612]

After just one game?