Rambling Rant of the day with a Message to the CZ

[rambo2]

Allen isn't a smart qb. He is playing badly and he eventually will get injured because he creates unnecessary hits on his body. The Bills much like the Jets are screwed. 1 Super Bowl win between the 2 of them in over half a century.

 

[InPhiltraitor]

Allen now officially reminds me of our old #9 in that he can ball so high at times but is now throwing the most inopportune picks……he’s the prototype QB build but currently regressing.

I think the Bills talent is overrated and he’s still trying to put too much on himself because they aren’t what they should be.

The regression you reference seemed to ramp up as the season progressed last year. Just coincidental that's when Daboll left? Josh and others heaped a ton of praise on DB for Josh's development and many credited him with helping Danny Dimes grow last year pushing the G-men further than most anticipated. I know, it's difficult to consider this a possibility following Sunday's a**whipping but I think it has merit.

Also, he (Josh) is starting to hear it for the turnovers. I heard it on two radio programs this morning with one voice reminding us (Dan Patrick, I believe) that Josh actually led the NFL last season in turnovers. Funny how his discussion dovetailed right into a Dak Prescott comparison. DP squashed the comp. by stating something (in more detail) similar to your 2nd sentence.

shabazz + DP = Quality programming. Nice call.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

This is what the Dak lovers have lowered themselves to............
Comparing other team's QB performances to excuse the ineptness of Prescott?
Hey, buds I don't care how other team's QB perform totally irrelevant to me as a Cowboy fan.
I do care how my QB performs and after 7 years I'm NOT impressed!!!
Jeez before you know it they will be comparing Dak to a college QB or high school QB???
Can Dak perform against top defenses?
I doubt it.......................

 

[Jumbo075]

Josh Allen has for sure played himself out of the top 5. His turnovers from last year has carried over to this season so far.

The NFL currently has only 1 elite QB. His name is Patrick Mahomes. There are no other elite starting QB's in the NFL.

• 1 - Elite - Patrick Mahomes
• 3 - Well Above Average - Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford
• 8 - Slightly Above Average - Josh Allen, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson
• 8 - Average - Derek Carr, Mac Jones, Jimmy Garropollo, Daniel Jones, Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Tua Tugoavailoa, Russell Wilson**
• 5 - Below Average - Justin Fields, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson
• 7 - First year starter - Sam Howell, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Anthony Richardson, Desmond Ridder, C.J Stroud, Bryce Young

** Russell Wilson used to be elite, but has dropped to average at best

Production
1 - multiple Super Bowls wins: Mahomes
1 - multiple MVP awards: Mahomes
2 - League MVP award wins: Jackson, Mahomes
2 - multiple SB appearances: Mahomes, R. Wilson
3 - Super Bowl Winner- Mahomes, Stafford, R. Wilson
6 - started Super Bowl: Burrow, Garoppolo, Goff, Hurts, Mahomes and Stafford

Pedigree
7 - #1 overall picks: Burrow, Goff, Lawrence, Mayfield, Murray, Stafford, Young
22 - 1st round picks: Allen, Burrow, Fields, Goff, Herbert, Jackson, D. Jones, M. Jones, Lawrence, Love, Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray, Pickett, Richardson, Stafford, Stroud, Tannehill, Tugoavailoa, Watson, Z. Wilson, Young
4 - 2nd round picks: Carr, Garoppolo, Hurts, Smith
2 - 3rd round picks: R. Wilson, Ridder
2 - 4th round picks: Cousins, Prescott
1 - 5th round pick: Howell
1 - 7th round pick - Purdy

Dak falls in the 5-12 range for starting QB's in the NFL. He can elevate himself a level by getting to a Super bowl, and can become a top 4 QB by winning a Super Bowl - given the current state of QB talent in the NFL. Arguments over where Dak, or any other slightly above average QB ranks among themselves is largely an exercise in opinion, parsing statistical performances, and is biased by draft pedigree. Both Cousins and Prescott are downgraded unfairly because of their 4th round draft status, but they've performed just as well or better than many of the other QB's in their same category. The difference is the other 6 "slightly above average" QB's were all 1st round picks, so pundits (and fans) tend to rank them higher, even though their production has been no better than either Cousins or Prescott; although I will say that Goff has a chance to re-elevate himself if he can resurrect the moribund Lions that Stafford was incapable of making better.

Obviously, for first year starters, we don't have enough information to make any judgements.

 

[Motorola]

We are a tortured bunch on here. Collinsworth isn't blowing pure sunshine up our fan rears and other QBs aren't getting criticized as much as the QB for America's Team, which we also proudly tout and then wonder why there's more scrutiny. Life just ain't fair. I don't believe in anything anymore! Lol.

'We are a toutured bunch on here.' = We get our panties in a bunch a lot here in CZ.

 

[RoyalCowboy]

This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place

This comment is for hating in general.

Haters don't care to be centric. They look for anything they can use as propellant, to perpetuate and sometimes feed their confirmation bias.

Another way to put it; People find anything, regardless of logic and common stance, they need to have a reason to hate or continue to do so. Makes them feel good.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

This comment is for hating in general.

Haters don't care to be centric. They look for anything they can use as propellant, to perpetuate and sometimes feed their confirmation bias.

Another way to put it; People find anything, regardless of logic and common stance, they need to have a reason to hate or continue to do so. Makes them feel good.

Yup. Your whole statement nails it and they came right in here and showed their azzes. Broke our fanbase down into "___________ Lovers and __________ haters" . Small thinkers. Rarely have anything positive.

I wanted to do my part to change or start to change the culture here but trolling pea brains show up with their toxic comments. It's a good thing I'm not a master mod here or that would be stuffed back where it came from. I love the Cowboys, have for almost 60 years and would love to talk more about them but the toxic few that have someone standing on their nutt sack need to spew their emptiness. So I rarely post. It's like a rotten apple in the barrel or in my case a spoiled fish in the cooler.

Haters , lovers who really gives a flying french __________ !

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

This is what the Dak lovers have lowered themselves to............
Comparing other team's QB performances to excuse the ineptness of Prescott?
Hey, buds I don't care how other team's QB perform totally irrelevant to me as a Cowboy fan.
I do care how my QB performs and after 7 years I'm NOT impressed!!!
Jeez before you know it they will be comparing Dak to a college QB or high school QB???
Can Dak perform against top defenses?
I doubt it.......................

I'm not a lover or hater. I'm a Cowboy fan.

But unlike those that come in here and spew their toxic BS I try to add substantive post. Anybody and everybody knows your stance and your attitude of ruin !

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I'm not a lover or hater. I'm a Cowboy fan.

But unlike those that come in here and spew their toxic BS I try to add substantive post. Anybody and everybody knows your stance and your attitude of ruin !

 

[glimmerman]

And yet I was rewatching an old Super Bowl the second of the back-to-back bills Super Bowls I believe that was the year Troy was hurt in Burlein came in for a while,

Troy Aikman 13 touchdowns 12 interceptions in that season takes back over in the playoffs was not perfect and in that Super Bowl we were down by 10 points because he couldn't pass the ball past five yards he was dinkoing in Dunkin and he had an interception maybe a pick 6 and you know what happens the team shows up first series of the second-half the defense gets a pick six or something like that that takes seven points back into the game then we just run the ball down their throats and get a field goal on the next drive end up tying the game...

None of that was spectacular play by 1 Troy Aikman.. Lots of these wins and losses by all these generations of Cowboys teams were team related..​

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The reason Troy and Roger didn't get a lot of hate because they didn't live in the age of the Internet and social media where everything is being broke down into so many fine parts and talked about so much on so many different areas of sports,​

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trust me imagine if these guys played right now the way this stuff is broke down and talked about is saturated market of media everywhere they would be called Jags I mean Troy would have been the basically Baker Mayfield had he not landed on this team.. He would have been called the Jag they would have been calling for his head.... I mean Danny white there was a guy telling me Danny white was better than Prescott and Romo and yet when I had to remind him of just how many mistakes and how little stats Danny White had but all he can remember was three straight NFC championship games... So he was putting Danny white ahead of Prescott and Romo because he went to the championship games but he didn't have any contexts whatsoever... Danny white was tyrod Taylor on a much better team with much better coaches..​

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That's a fact just there wasn't so much talk about it because there was no social media no Internet and there wasn't 50 sports stations to turn on or trying to find stories so they breakdown these games from play to play not series to series...​

Ahhh..The years of Danny White.. So close.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

Now that was a game you could say the QB was mostly to blame.

 

[DallasEast]

Telly Savalas always gets a like.

 

[Kwyn]

Lol, not a Dak thread till the Horsemen roll in.

I hear the hate train comin'
It's rolling round the bend
And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when
I'm stuck in Dak Love Prison, got my rose shades on
But that CZ train keeps a rollin' on down to the Dak Hatezone

 

[OGSixshooter]

Josh Allen has for sure played himself out of the top 5. His turnovers from last year has carried over to this season so far.

I agree that Allen is not elite. Elite to me is top 10%. That means there can only be 3 elite QBs at any given time...not fair, but elite is not about fairness, it's about exclusive excellence.

Josh Allen can play like an elite QB, but his undisciplined style of play will not keep him in the top 3.

FYI, the Bills always start off slow...so there's that.

 

[Havic]

I agree that Allen is not elite. Elite to me is top 10%. That means there can only be 3 elite QBs at any given time...not fair, but elite is not about fairness, it's about exclusive excellence.

Josh Allen can play like an elite QB, but his undisciplined style of play will not keep him in the top 3.

FYI, the Bills always start off slow...so there's that.

He was an elite qb 2 years ago and something happened last year to where his play dropped off. I don’t follow the bills but why is he forcing things? Poor decisions? Bad oline?

 

[shabazz]

Keep in mind the new rule is for all members from 'both' sides of The Dak Thang.

Sounds like the name of a new marketable adult toy…..wonder if theres a patent on that name yet?

Just needs a good jingle to go with it.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Allen now officially reminds me of our old #9 in that he can ball so high at times but is now throwing the most inopportune picks……he’s the prototype QB build but currently regressing.

I think the Bills talent is overrated and he’s still trying to put too much on himself because they aren’t what they should be.

I was thinking the same thing last night. He's turned into Romo. lol

 

[shabazz]

I was thinking the same thing last night. He's turned into Romo. lol

Allen’s got no running game support and when facing a defense like the Jets he’s just trying to make chicken salad out chicken schlit……..it’s too bad because he’s gots some real talent

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

But really it needs to be said you get tired of hearing the entire offseason about Prescott being the reason we're being held back by the quarterback because of his interceptions for one season... No context whatsoever literally we've seen a ton of those interceptions we're not on Prescott but that's all anyone wants to talk about here in the media social media nationally I mean they made it like a special program to talk about Prescott..

That's why I bring up other quarterbacks like where was all this talk with Matthew Stafford 20 interceptions his Super Bowl year and he threw two interceptions in the Super bowl but nobody really talked about it because they won but they didn't win because of Matthew Stafford alone they won because of the team was able to overcome his mistakes... In Buffalo actually almost overcame his mistakes they had that shot I mean they went to overtime..

So let me explain to you fans our fans rival fans media social media the cowboy zone and all the big time sports talk shows all they did is focus on Prescott when we all know Josh Allen's a leader in turnover since he was drafted..

Plus there are quarterbacks throughout history that are in the Hall of Fame like Brett farve Peyton Manning and some with a couple Super Bowls like Eli Manning they threw a lot of interceptions.. Also I always have to keep posting this list because everybody around here thinks Troy and Roger walked on water and they did not they made a lot of mistakes but the teams and the coaching staff were able to overcome the mistakes so they're not asking their quarterback to be perfect

that's the problem around here our fan base thinks Prescott is supposed to be perfect when things around him aren't perfect... And I'm spouting facts but here's the list again you show me where Troy and Roger played mistake free football or played better than Prescott when it comes to turnovers and I'm gonna call anyone who says otherwise a liar and I don't wanna hear about that era they had better teams they had better coaching and yet they still made a bunch of mistakes..

roger

td 153-109 ints Playoffs 24td 19INTs(umm none of those critical LMAO) UMM OK



Troy-

165-141 playoffs 23tds-17 INts(right none critical huh?) no way jimmy would have put up with that



Dwhite

155-132 playoffs 15-17 WOW no way TL puts up with mistakes at critical time LOL



Romo

248-117 playoffs 8 tds 2 INts show me the critical INts hmm his td-int ratio is much better



Dak

166-65 playoffs 11-5ints

Good post. One member here said Craig Morton is a better QB than Dak. Yes, THAT Craig Morton. The QB who has more INT's than TD's. But that was funny to me because he doesn't CONSTANTLY post BS like that. He picks and chooses his battle. Nothing wrong with that. But there are 3 members that cause all the drama here. Especially one of them.

 

[Motorola]

Keep in mind the new rule is for all members from 'both' sides of The Dak Thang.

Sounds like the name of a new marketable adult toy…..wonder if theres a patent on that name yet?

Just needs a good jingle to go with it.

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