Rambling Rant of the day with a Message to the CZ

[DallasEast]

"Doo Wop (That Thing)" by Lauryn Hill

I miss Lauryn Hill putting out stuff regularly. Such a soulful voice.

 

[starfan1]

Dak has been in the league 2 more years. If he has a 4-4 playoff record the narrative in here about him would be much different.

I highly doubt. Fans are hungry because of the drought. now if his 4-4 resulted in a SB appearance maybe but if he had 2 more wins without that SB appearnce wed still have nay sayers. I dont think they would have been happy if he got by san fran last year and lost to Philly in the NFCCG.

Regardless though he dont win or lose on his own

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

I think the biggest thing was. All of those Dak threads had the same people in them. Literally every time. The funny thing was. Those people didnt post about anything else. So I am very happy about the new rule. LOL.

I didn't post in all those threads because well, that wasn't me. NEVER did I get into throwing scat around on those threads . . . they (those type of threads) pizzed me off and those same posters pizz me off because they're the type that would screw up a Pamela Anderson dream.

And my original post was about this board being more harmonious even though our QB was brought up as not being as really bad as MANY make him out to be. About the disparity in the sports media in treatment between our QB/team and a team from the Northeast's & their QB when they are pretty similar. But here come the manure slingers as soon as that name and that comparison came out. Like green flies to a fresh pile.

Posted for posterity at the name of Pam:

 

[OGSixshooter]

He was an elite qb 2 years ago and something happened last year to where his play dropped off. I don’t follow the bills but why is he forcing things? Poor decisions? Bad oline?

He never got rid of the bad habits. Steve Young said a long time ago that he got better when realized that "making plays doesn't win you games consistently, but running the offense does." Too many off-script plays and reads for Josh Allen. and the QB runs...he's just tempting fate. Fate responded in the 4th quarter.

 

[Whyjerry]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

Josh Allen is Brett Favre. Super talent. Big Arm. Mistake prone.

 

[blueblood70]

Ahhh..The years of Danny White.. So close.

yes so close, this man was a turnover machine...many around here think tom landry would NOT have to put up with that kind of stuff.. just like they say jimmy johnson wouldn't put up with that kind of stuff....

the fact is they both did, their quarterbacks turned the ball over as much if not more than Prescott... literally many times in those situations their teams were that much better that they can overcome mistakes.

i think it's very interesting the person most fans would call the choke artist , had the best touchdown interception ratio out of everyone. His name is Romo the holder of many all time passing records for this team was hated on as much as dak.

I'm just trying to pound it into fans heads this is a team game and it will always be a team game.

quarterbacks will always make mistakes having a strong team able to overcome them is the difference... expecting or asking any player to be perfect, is ridiculous in its own right and to expect these qbs to do what those past quarterbacks are not asked to do..

show me a game in the playoffs that troy or roger Staubach had to carry the team without a strong run game, offensive line, and defense? Oh and let's not forget some of the best coaching Staffs ever assembled. there were none they always had that...

 

[StarOfGlory]

But really it needs to be said you get tired of hearing the entire offseason about Prescott being the reason we're being held back by the quarterback because of his interceptions for one season... No context whatsoever literally we've seen a ton of those interceptions we're not on Prescott but that's all anyone wants to talk about here in the media social media nationally I mean they made it like a special program to talk about Prescott..

That's why I bring up other quarterbacks like where was all this talk with Matthew Stafford 20 interceptions his Super Bowl year and he threw two interceptions in the Super bowl but nobody really talked about it because they won but they didn't win because of Matthew Stafford alone they won because of the team was able to overcome his mistakes... In Buffalo actually almost overcame his mistakes they had that shot I mean they went to overtime..

So let me explain to you fans our fans rival fans media social media the cowboy zone and all the big time sports talk shows all they did is focus on Prescott when we all know Josh Allen's a leader in turnover since he was drafted..

Plus there are quarterbacks throughout history that are in the Hall of Fame like Brett farve Peyton Manning and some with a couple Super Bowls like Eli Manning they threw a lot of interceptions.. Also I always have to keep posting this list because everybody around here thinks Troy and Roger walked on water and they did not they made a lot of mistakes but the teams and the coaching staff were able to overcome the mistakes so they're not asking their quarterback to be perfect

that's the problem around here our fan base thinks Prescott is supposed to be perfect when things around him aren't perfect... And I'm spouting facts but here's the list again you show me where Troy and Roger played mistake free football or played better than Prescott when it comes to turnovers and I'm gonna call anyone who says otherwise a liar and I don't wanna hear about that era they had better teams they had better coaching and yet they still made a bunch of mistakes..

roger

td 153-109 ints Playoffs 24td 19INTs(umm none of those critical LMAO) UMM OK



Troy-

165-141 playoffs 23tds-17 INts(right none critical huh?) no way jimmy would have put up with that



Dwhite

155-132 playoffs 15-17 WOW no way TL puts up with mistakes at critical time LOL



Romo

248-117 playoffs 8 tds 2 INts show me the critical INts hmm his td-int ratio is much better



Dak

166-65 playoffs 11-5ints

Just a point to make here. Comparing interception ratios from the Roger and Troy days makes no sense. Interception ratios across the board were higher, as defense was a different game back then than it is today (expect for the rare exception like Joe Montana--showing off his greatness). It's like comparing scoring and shot percentage across different eras in the NBA. It makes no sense because the games were different.

 

[blueblood70]

Just a point to make here. Comparing interception ratios from the Roger and Troy days makes no sense. Interception ratios across the board were higher, as defense was a different game back then than it is today (expect for the rare exception like Joe Montana--showing off his greatness). It's like comparing scoring and shot percentage across different eras in the NBA. It makes no sense because the games were different.

I don't wanna hear the era nonsense it's nonsense to me the man had one of the best teams of all time around him Hall of Fame coaches Hall of Fame players a Hall of Fame run game.. No you're nonsense I don't care.. In this case he was protected had everything around him with a strong run game and still threw a lot of interceptions that is my point he made mistakes despite having a better situation than Romo or Prescott...

thats a FACT

I do not care about any of these analytics or era adjustments all I know is they should not have needed to force a ball or throw into traffic or any of that stuff when you have run games that Roger and Troy both had offensive lines were full of Hall of Fame guys the runners were Hall of Fame guys the defense were great the coaching was absolutely some of the best we've ever seen in the NFL...

Now you're making excuses... How about this excuse this is a pass oriented league now and people are passing a lot therefore more interceptions and problems are gonna happen.... I mean when you put the ball at risk tomorrow more mistakes are gonna happen you wanna use that era??

I don't care if it was the 50s or this year when you make a mistake it's a mistake they're all critical look at the playoffs are you telling me those touchdown interception ratios are OK with you why did they make those mistakes when they didn't need to?? It goes to show you no matter what year are you in you're not a perfect player you're not gonna see perfect games and we should not expect that from our own players..
Yeah but when we try to make a comparison to say Peyton Manning versus Prescott and all the mistakes manning made nobody wants to hear it that's staying in this era... I mean we're looking at it right now Josh Allen and some of these other players throw as many interceptions or have as many turnovers and yet they're considered elite in top five in Prescott trying to be ran out of the top 10..

It literally felt like they started every show from the end of last season up until now talking about Prescott's interceptions and not talking about any other players issues on our team or others that cause the interceptions very few people were willing to break down them and find out that at least seven of those were not bad decisions from Prescott they simply were other factors..

So when this happens you're gonna get someone like me who is a Cowboys fan and not gonna allow Prescott or Romo to be ran over without me bringing in some real context that's what I brought in like it or not I don't care....

I mean you got a Hall of Fame player and Peyton Manning who never took care of the ball who also started out two and four in the playoffs but ended up with two Super Bowls late in his career getting in the Hall of Fame that's our point...

By the way if the era stuff makes a difference then why are we always comparing like a zekiel Elliot to Emmett Smith or guys even back further than that and acting like they were better running backs but that's not a running league anymore and yet Elliott did what he did I mean you got running back still doing what running backs do in a league that's a passing league with hogs up front are now not hogs they're smaller faster guys that can pull that don't stick to the run game often and yet we sit here and compare them to some of the greats and say Elliott will never be as good as Emmett Smith and I'm telling you right now he was every bit as good as Emmett Smith.. If you're talking about athletic ability speed top news three down backs you put Elliott on those teams with those run games the scheming and the lines he would have just as much success because he almost did it already..

I mean I put that meme on there where you have Terrell Davis versus Ezekiel Elliott and Elliott had a better career and all people keep saying is yeah but he got championships he helped the team get championships really it was a different era how about them apples??? He also never played with John Elway. How about that era debate LOL
i like how some fans like the cherry-pick stats and start bringing up the era debate when it comes to players they dont support and that it threatens some of their favorite players..

 

[Pass2Run]

What about Stafford? Don't we all want to be like the Rams?

 

[OGSixshooter]

The NFL currently has only 1 elite QB. His name is Patrick Mahomes. There are no other elite starting QB's in the NFL.

• 1 - Elite - Patrick Mahomes
• 3 - Well Above Average - Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Matt Stafford
• 8 - Slightly Above Average - Josh Allen, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson
• 8 - Average - Derek Carr, Mac Jones, Jimmy Garropollo, Daniel Jones, Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Tua Tugoavailoa, Russell Wilson**
• 5 - Below Average - Justin Fields, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson
• 7 - First year starter - Sam Howell, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Anthony Richardson, Desmond Ridder, C.J Stroud, Bryce Young

** Russell Wilson used to be elite, but has dropped to average at best

Production
1 - multiple Super Bowls wins: Mahomes
1 - multiple MVP awards: Mahomes
2 - League MVP award wins: Jackson, Mahomes
2 - multiple SB appearances: Mahomes, R. Wilson
3 - Super Bowl Winner- Mahomes, Stafford, R. Wilson
6 - started Super Bowl: Burrow, Garoppolo, Goff, Hurts, Mahomes and Stafford

Pedigree
7 - #1 overall picks: Burrow, Goff, Lawrence, Mayfield, Murray, Stafford, Young
22 - 1st round picks: Allen, Burrow, Fields, Goff, Herbert, Jackson, D. Jones, M. Jones, Lawrence, Love, Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray, Pickett, Richardson, Stafford, Stroud, Tannehill, Tugoavailoa, Watson, Z. Wilson, Young
4 - 2nd round picks: Carr, Garoppolo, Hurts, Smith
2 - 3rd round picks: R. Wilson, Ridder
2 - 4th round picks: Cousins, Prescott
1 - 5th round pick: Howell
1 - 7th round pick - Purdy

Dak falls in the 5-12 range for starting QB's in the NFL. He can elevate himself a level by getting to a Super bowl, and can become a top 4 QB by winning a Super Bowl - given the current state of QB talent in the NFL. Arguments over where Dak, or any other slightly above average QB ranks among themselves is largely an exercise in opinion, parsing statistical performances, and is biased by draft pedigree. Both Cousins and Prescott are downgraded unfairly because of their 4th round draft status, but they've performed just as well or better than many of the other QB's in their same category. The difference is the other 6 "slightly above average" QB's were all 1st round picks, so pundits (and fans) tend to rank them higher, even though their production has been no better than either Cousins or Prescott; although I will say that Goff has a chance to re-elevate himself if he can resurrect the moribund Lions that Stafford was incapable of making better.

Obviously, for first year starters, we don't have enough information to make any judgements.

I like this list as well. I had 3 QBs being "elite", but the more exclusive the better. The meaning of elite: "superior in quality, rank, skill."

 

[OGSixshooter]

Josh Allen is Brett Favre. Super talent. Big Arm. Mistake prone.

He needs his Mike Holmgren.

 

[Brax]

Can We Take Josh Allen Out of the Top 5 QB lists . . . . . . or at least be realistic about it? I'm so tired of the Dak int's ranting here and in the press. Let's compare two QB's and two franchises over the last 10 years. This exercise is really to bring this board to a more centrist and realistic place . There's just too much animosity and bovine scat(look it up) flying around to the point some of our minds/posts are just toxic. To be sure this is not a thread declaring me a lover nor a hater of anyone. I'll try to be somewhat a Joe Friday through most with a closing editorial. Bear with me

Allen for sure has a cannon for an arm, he's huge for a QB, and he runs like a deer. But, as we saw against the Jets he has turnovers too (stoopid turnovers too). Stats will bear this out and other than his great game against the Chiefs and the back and forth with Mahomes in the 2021 AFC Championship Game what has he displayed or the Buffalo Bills (BB) for that matter ? I realize Allen has only been there since 2018 so some of the Bills stats are not his doings but over half is. Dak as we know has 2 years more tenure.

A short but vivid comparison of the 2 franchise/QB's :

-Bills over a 10 years been to the playoffs 5 seasons with 4 wins losing in the wildcard round (2019 to Houston) and the Division round x 2 (Chiefs and Bengals) and the Championship round to the Chiefs in that memorable game that went to OT. Bills went in 2017 and lost the Wild Card to Jacksonville 10-3 with Tyrod Taylor @QB
-Buffalo is 4 and 5 over the last 10 years, hadn't been to the playoffs since 1999 and won a playoff since 1995
-Josh Allen has been to the playoffs 8 times and is 4-4 with one great playoff year 2020 otherwise losing in the WC or Div round (many of you would rail on this)
-Allen has an int% of 1.3 and a TD% of 5.5 in the playoffs
-Allen's regular season turnover percentage is 1.17

-Prescott's regular season TO percentage 0.93 ........ wth?????
-Prescott's int% is 2.3% and his TD% is 5.1% in the playoffs
-Prescott is 2-4 in the playoffs always losing in the WC once and divisional round 3 times. 2 WC wins (all well documented here and throughout the world)
-Cowboys have been to the playoffs 5 seasons in 10 years

Data (that I chose laboriously) is laid out. Not a lot different other than Allen and the Bills have been to the playoffs most consistently LATELY but really the teams and QB's are relatively equal. Had it not been for the ineptitude of Cowboy management holding on to inept Jason Garrett too long I'd say we might be pretty much further along. (Garrett always failed building defense.) Allen, despite more and stronger physical traits than Dak is not all that. Nobody (Northeastern centered sports media mainly) calls Allen out on his turnovers and they are legion (Biblical for many).

Now the crux of my whole post (I'm laid up at home and seldom start discussions so this is what y'all get).

Why does the press and so many others fawn over Buffalo and Allen? Why is he consistently called a top 5 QB? He is a turnover machine as bad as any QB in The League. His team fails as much as our's does essentially. (Yeah, I know we've not made it to an NFC Championship game in decades . . . they've made it to one Championship and lost it).

I'm not railing against the CZ posters (much) except to say lighten up on our QB and our team if things get tough. We have really good coaching and great talent. This will suck but . . . ready? . . . trust the process. Why can't we be a fanbase here on CVZ that doesn't fight with each other light meth head trailer park trash? (I'm a veteran of the Craig Morton years so many of you young whippersnappers have NFI). I don't love how Dak plays sometimes but I don't hate on him or the team!

A little Cumbayah maybe? And let's pull together. We might not win a championship but the NE sports media are Cowboy haters let's not be so low character type as them. And one last comparison ... no other team's message board hates on each other like this one (I know) but they spend their time hating on their opponents . . . this is real medicine right there! Try it !

Let’s make this easy JA has played in CCG has more playoff wins 2018 vs Dak since 2016 and is a superior QB in all aspects of the game. There isn’t anyone who would take Dak over Allen except a Dak homer. Dak’s a good QB and even Jerry would swap them in a nano second. Does JA make mistakes yes but he has the talent to overcome them or elevate the players around him, unfortunately Dak doesn’t possess those qualities, If Dak can’t succeed this year with the talent assembled to carry him then the vitriol will get a lot worse. Daks struggles and stinkers in the playoffs don’t help his chances of convincing his detractors to change their minds only Dak getting results in crunch time can do that, too many like you seem to be happy with empty success.

 

[glimmerman]

yes so close, this man was a turnover machine...many around here think tom landry would NOT have to put up with that kind of stuff.. just like they say jimmy johnson wouldn't put up with that kind of stuff....

the fact is they both did, their quarterbacks turned the ball over as much if not more than Prescott... literally many times in those situations their teams were that much better that they can overcome mistakes.

i think it's very interesting the person most fans would call the choke artist , had the best touchdown interception ratio out of everyone. His name is Romo the holder of many all time passing records for this team was hated on as much as dak.

I'm just trying to pound it into fans heads this is a team game and it will always be a team game.

quarterbacks will always make mistakes having a strong team able to overcome them is the difference... expecting or asking any player to be perfect, is ridiculous in its own right and to expect these qbs to do what those past quarterbacks are not asked to do..

show me a game in the playoffs that troy or roger Staubach had to carry the team without a strong run game, offensive line, and defense? Oh and let's not forget some of the best coaching Staffs ever assembled. there were none they always had that...

And that’s why Danny white made it as far as he did. Could you imagine having a team good enough to go to 3 straight NFC Championship games. And not making the SB. Some forget that Danny White was also our punter all those years. I think he did get a SB ring but as a backup to Roger and was the punter. But the staff he had around him was some of the best coaches around.

I think Dak is surrounded by a better staff this year. MM is better play caller than moore. Quinn has a really fast and good Defense. And our ST has started off very well. The team needs to take it one game at a time.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Allen didn't look so hot last night, but he did have KC essentially beaten in the playoffs with only 13 seconds remaining. Then his defense allowed the Chiefs to go down the field in less than the 13 seconds to kick a field goal and go into overtime. Allen was looking great at that point. But no one stays on top for very long, I guess.

 

[glimmerman]

I don't wanna hear the era nonsense it's nonsense to me the man had one of the best teams of all time around him Hall of Fame coaches Hall of Fame players a Hall of Fame run game.. No you're nonsense I don't care.. In this case he was protected had everything around him with a strong run game and still threw a lot of interceptions that is my point he made mistakes despite having a better situation than Romo or Prescott...

thats a FACT

I do not care about any of these analytics or era adjustments all I know is they should not have needed to force a ball or throw into traffic or any of that stuff when you have run games that Roger and Troy both had offensive lines were full of Hall of Fame guys the runners were Hall of Fame guys the defense were great the coaching was absolutely some of the best we've ever seen in the NFL...

Now you're making excuses... How about this excuse this is a pass oriented league now and people are passing a lot therefore more interceptions and problems are gonna happen.... I mean when you put the ball at risk tomorrow more mistakes are gonna happen you wanna use that era??

I don't care if it was the 50s or this year when you make a mistake it's a mistake they're all critical look at the playoffs are you telling me those touchdown interception ratios are OK with you why did they make those mistakes when they didn't need to?? It goes to show you no matter what year are you in you're not a perfect player you're not gonna see perfect games and we should not expect that from our own players..
Yeah but when we try to make a comparison to say Peyton Manning versus Prescott and all the mistakes manning made nobody wants to hear it that's staying in this era... I mean we're looking at it right now Josh Allen and some of these other players throw as many interceptions or have as many turnovers and yet they're considered elite in top five in Prescott trying to be ran out of the top 10..

It literally felt like they started every show from the end of last season up until now talking about Prescott's interceptions and not talking about any other players issues on our team or others that cause the interceptions very few people were willing to break down them and find out that at least seven of those were not bad decisions from Prescott they simply were other factors..

So when this happens you're gonna get someone like me who is a Cowboys fan and not gonna allow Prescott or Romo to be ran over without me bringing in some real context that's what I brought in like it or not I don't care....

I mean you got a Hall of Fame player and Peyton Manning who never took care of the ball who also started out two and four in the playoffs but ended up with two Super Bowls late in his career getting in the Hall of Fame that's our point...

By the way if the era stuff makes a difference then why are we always comparing like a zekiel Elliot to Emmett Smith or guys even back further than that and acting like they were better running backs but that's not a running league anymore and yet Elliott did what he did I mean you got running back still doing what running backs do in a league that's a passing league with hogs up front are now not hogs they're smaller faster guys that can pull that don't stick to the run game often and yet we sit here and compare them to some of the greats and say Elliott will never be as good as Emmett Smith and I'm telling you right now he was every bit as good as Emmett Smith.. If you're talking about athletic ability speed top news three down backs you put Elliott on those teams with those run games the scheming and the lines he would have just as much success because he almost did it already..

I mean I put that meme on there where you have Terrell Davis versus Ezekiel Elliott and Elliott had a better career and all people keep saying is yeah but he got championships he helped the team get championships really it was a different era how about them apples??? He also never played with John Elway. How about that era debate LOL
i like how some fans like the cherry-pick stats and start bringing up the era debate when it comes to players they dont support and that it threatens some of their favorite players..

Yeah elway 300 td and 226 ints. But had a team around him and got 2 SB rings. In the playoffs 27 tds and 21 ints.

All the years peyton manning played and all the 71,000 yards he threw for. He got 2 sb rings but went to 4. Win one with the colts in 2007. He had a game in 2007 where he threw 6 ints. Still had a good enough TEAM to make the sb and win. Last one was his final year with broncos he had a passer rating of 56. Had no TDs and 1 int. 144 yards. Was sacked about 5 times. But still some how put the team on his back and pulled it out. Lmao. The defense and st scored 2 tds in that game.

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah elway 300 td and 226 ints. But had a team around him and got 2 SB rings. In the playoffs 27 tds and 21 ints.

All the years peyton manning played and all the 71,000 yards he threw for. He got 2 sb rings but went to 4. Win one with the colts in 2007. He had a game in 2007 where he threw 6 ints. Still had a good enough TEAM to make the sb and win. Last one was his final year with broncos he had a passer rating of 56. Had no TDs and 1 int. 144 yards. Was sacked about 5 times. But still some how put the team on his back and pulled it out. Lmao. The defense and st scored 2 tds in that game.

Just a side note. John Elway played in five Super Bowls. The Denver Broncos lost those first three.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I don't wanna hear the era nonsense it's nonsense to me the man had one of the best teams of all time around him Hall of Fame coaches Hall of Fame players a Hall of Fame run game.. No you're nonsense I don't care.. In this case he was protected had everything around him with a strong run game and still threw a lot of interceptions that is my point he made mistakes despite having a better situation than Romo or Prescott...

thats a FACT

I do not care about any of these analytics or era adjustments all I know is they should not have needed to force a ball or throw into traffic or any of that stuff when you have run games that Roger and Troy both had offensive lines were full of Hall of Fame guys the runners were Hall of Fame guys the defense were great the coaching was absolutely some of the best we've ever seen in the NFL...

Now you're making excuses... How about this excuse this is a pass oriented league now and people are passing a lot therefore more interceptions and problems are gonna happen.... I mean when you put the ball at risk tomorrow more mistakes are gonna happen you wanna use that era??

I don't care if it was the 50s or this year when you make a mistake it's a mistake they're all critical look at the playoffs are you telling me those touchdown interception ratios are OK with you why did they make those mistakes when they didn't need to?? It goes to show you no matter what year are you in you're not a perfect player you're not gonna see perfect games and we should not expect that from our own players..
Yeah but when we try to make a comparison to say Peyton Manning versus Prescott and all the mistakes manning made nobody wants to hear it that's staying in this era... I mean we're looking at it right now Josh Allen and some of these other players throw as many interceptions or have as many turnovers and yet they're considered elite in top five in Prescott trying to be ran out of the top 10..

It literally felt like they started every show from the end of last season up until now talking about Prescott's interceptions and not talking about any other players issues on our team or others that cause the interceptions very few people were willing to break down them and find out that at least seven of those were not bad decisions from Prescott they simply were other factors..

So when this happens you're gonna get someone like me who is a Cowboys fan and not gonna allow Prescott or Romo to be ran over without me bringing in some real context that's what I brought in like it or not I don't care....

I mean you got a Hall of Fame player and Peyton Manning who never took care of the ball who also started out two and four in the playoffs but ended up with two Super Bowls late in his career getting in the Hall of Fame that's our point...

By the way if the era stuff makes a difference then why are we always comparing like a zekiel Elliot to Emmett Smith or guys even back further than that and acting like they were better running backs but that's not a running league anymore and yet Elliott did what he did I mean you got running back still doing what running backs do in a league that's a passing league with hogs up front are now not hogs they're smaller faster guys that can pull that don't stick to the run game often and yet we sit here and compare them to some of the greats and say Elliott will never be as good as Emmett Smith and I'm telling you right now he was every bit as good as Emmett Smith.. If you're talking about athletic ability speed top news three down backs you put Elliott on those teams with those run games the scheming and the lines he would have just as much success because he almost did it already..

I mean I put that meme on there where you have Terrell Davis versus Ezekiel Elliott and Elliott had a better career and all people keep saying is yeah but he got championships he helped the team get championships really it was a different era how about them apples??? He also never played with John Elway. How about that era debate LOL
i like how some fans like the cherry-pick stats and start bringing up the era debate when it comes to players they dont support and that it threatens some of their favorite players..

Triggered much? I'm not making excuses, I'm speaking facts that happen across every sport that has undergone rule changes. I'm not pro or anti Dak, I'm telling it like it is. The position I played in college, the run stuffing middle linebacker, barely exist anymore due to rule changes and shifts in offensive philosophy. That's just a fact, just as rule changes in defense made it more difficult to play QB and WR 40 and 50 years ago. That's not an excuse, it's the truth. Get over it.

 

[diamonddelts]

Allen gets a pass for a high amount of ints. Yet people question Daks intelligence and ability when he throws ints. Its w double standard and we all know why.

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah elway 300 td and 226 ints. But had a team around him and got 2 SB rings. In the playoffs 27 tds and 21 ints.

All the years peyton manning played and all the 71,000 yards he threw for. He got 2 sb rings but went to 4. Win one with the colts in 2007. He had a game in 2007 where he threw 6 ints. Still had a good enough TEAM to make the sb and win. Last one was his final year with broncos he had a passer rating of 56. Had no TDs and 1 int. 144 yards. Was sacked about 5 times. But still some how put the team on his back and pulled it out. Lmao. The defense and st scored 2 tds in that game.

it only takes a little research like that backed with facts so we can get the Prescott haters to quiet down..

 

[glimmerman]

Just a side note. John Elway played in five Super Bowls. The Denver Broncos lost those first three.

Sorry you’re right. Was thinking about peyton. I think elway has 3 rings but won one being in the front office.