Random Draft Considerations

[Verdict]

I have been trying to piece together some sort of macro view of this draft class. The concensus seems to be that the draft class is deep on the DL, cornerback and running back.

Many posters here seem to believe that the most pressing needs are at Right (pass rushing) DE, cornerback and safety.

Looking at the DEs it seems as though the top ones will be outside our range at #28. Many of the top corners will also be gone as well.

It would appear that DE is not likely to be the best value at #28 and the pick may not be an upgrade over Tapper. I could see is going corner since the top end of the corner class seems deeper than DE.

I have heard some say we will take a safety at #28. This is possible. Additionally if we don't take a safety it sort of seems that there is a bit of a drop off after the top couple of picks. If so, then maybe safety doesn't get addressed until several rounds later.

I think if the Vanderbilt linebacker somehow lasts to #28 (unlikely) that he would be the pick. It is odd, but with the depth of this class being on defense (and the draft class being picked over pretty heavily prior to our pick at #28) that actually increases the chance we take an offensive player with our pick at #28 and then going defense with maybe 3 of our top 5 picks based on the depth of the class on the defensive side of the ball.

I believe that if a player like OJ Howard, Mixon, Mahomes, Njoku or maybe on OL is available to us at #28 I really could see that being the pick.

I look forward to hearing other posters thoughts on the foregoing.

 

[xwalker]

I have been trying to piece together some sort of macro view of this draft class. The concensus seems to be that the draft class is deep on the DL, cornerback and running back.

Many posters here seem to believe that the most pressing needs are at Right (pass rushing) DE, cornerback and safety.

Looking at the DEs it seems as though the top ones will be outside our range at #28. Many of the top corners will also be gone as well.

It would appear that DE is not likely to be the best value at #28 and the pick may not be an upgrade over Tapper. I could see is going corner since the top end of the corner class seems deeper than DE.

I have heard some say we will take a safety at #28. This is possible. Additionally if we don't take a safety it sort of seems that there is a bit of a drop off after the top couple of picks. If so, then maybe safety doesn't get addressed until several rounds later.

I think if the Vanderbilt linebacker somehow lasts to #28 (unlikely) that he would be the pick. It is odd, but with the depth of this class being on defense (and the draft class being picked over pretty heavily prior to our pick at #28) that actually increases the chance we take an offensive player with our pick at #28 and then going defense with maybe 3 of our top 5 picks based on the depth of the class on the defensive side of the ball.

I believe that if a player like OJ Howard, Mixon, Mahomes, Njoku or maybe on OL is available to us at #28 I really could see that being the pick.

I look forward to hearing other posters thoughts on the foregoing.

BPA.

Just take the best player and you won't have to worry about predicting position availability.

Obviously there are limits. A QB, RB or OG/OC would be extreme but anything else should be a consideration.

 

[danielofthesaints]

There's no chance we take Mixon or Mahomes with our first pick.

I think this draft is a trade-down draft. There's so much talent to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that I would be fine if we traded down, given that an elite player didn't fall to us at #28.

 

[Verdict]

BPA.

Yes. You are preaching to the choir. I totally agree. I am just trying to formulate an educated guess about what position the BPA is likely to be. Any thoughts on it?

 

[Verdict]

There's no chance we take Mixon or Mahomes with our first pick.

I think this draft is a trade-down draft. There's so much talent to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that I would be fine if we traded down, given that an elite player didn't fall to us at #28.

If they are the BPA we might not have a choice. Lots of teams will be wanting to move down to accumulate picks.

 

[Verdict]

There's no chance we take Mixon or Mahomes with our first pick.

I think this draft is a trade-down draft. There's so much talent to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that I would be fine if we traded down, given that an elite player didn't fall to us at #28.

I don't think the second round pick will be the wild card pick this year. It could be the first rounder due to the BPA lineup or later on in the draft like Jake Butt in the 4th if he lasts that long.

 

[danielofthesaints]

If they are the BPA we might not have a choice. Lots of teams will be wanting to move down to accumulate picks.

We will have a choice. Some teams might want to move up and grab Mahomes at the end of the 1st so they can get 1 more year out of him on his rookie contract. I do think Z. Cunningham has a decent chance of falling to us at #28 to acknowledge another part of your post.

 

[Verdict]

We will have a choice. Some teams might want to move up and grab Mahomes at the end of the 1st so they can get 1 more year out of him on his rookie contract.

Maybe. But will there be value in trading back? You have to have a trading partner willing to give you fair value.

It is better to force the issue with trade value than giving teams a good deal. Rape them.

 

[danielofthesaints]

Maybe. But will there be value in trading back? You have to have a trading partner willing to give you fair value.

It is better to force the issue with trade value than giving teams a good deal. Rape them.

Sure. You're always gonna have to weigh taking BPA vs. reaching for a need vs. trading down if the value is there. That's what makes the draft so interesting

 

[xwalker]

Yes. You are preaching to the choir. I totally agree. I am just trying to formulate an educated guess about what position the BPA is likely to be. Any thoughts on it?

No, it could be any position that "falls" to #28.

The reason I don't like trading up is that you never get a chance for a player to "fall" to your spot. You're predicting what other teams will do when you trade up.

When you just wait until your pick, it's as simple as taking the best player.

 

[Verdict]

No, it could be any position that "falls" to #28.

The reason I don't like trading up is that you never get a chance for a player to "fall" to your spot. You're predicting what other teams will do when you trade up.

When you just wait until your pick, it's as simple as taking the best player.

I'm not a fan or trading up as a general rule. I would have probably made an attempt to trade up for Adrian Peterson in that draft.

I was very pissed off when we traded down in the year when Steven Jackson fell to our pick and we ended up with Julius Jones.

Good times, right? Lol

 

[Paniolo22]

I think at 28, it's BPA in an area of need. For us, it should be the best available DE, CB, or S. Further consideration should be given regarding the depth at that position. Follow this process for the first 2 rounds, and you can switch back to a natural BPA philosophy after that, which is what the Cowboys normally do after Rd 5

 

[Verdict]

I think at 28, it's BPA in an area of need. For us, it should be the best available DE, CB, or S. Further consideration should be given regarding the depth at that position. Follow this process for the first 2 rounds, and you can switch back to a natural BPA philosophy after that, which is what the Cowboys normally do after Rd 5

I think you should try to stick to your draft board for the most part, except in rare circumstances. The best DE available at #28 may not be that much better than a 3rd rounder. If so you don't reach there.
The same is also true of the other positions we mentioned.

We may take one of those positions at #28, but that isn't likely to be the BPA at DE and is dicey at corner. We might have a chance at a safety being the best player at 28.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yes. You are preaching to the choir. I totally agree. I am just trying to formulate an educated guess about what position the BPA is likely to be. Any thoughts on it?

I think DE has a decent chance of being BPA. Not a great chance, but a decent chance. A major CB run in the first could push DE's. Depends on two big things really. 1) A major CB occurring. 2) What grade the Cowboys have on players like Barnett, McKinley and Watt

 

[gmoney112]

Yes. You are preaching to the choir. I totally agree. I am just trying to formulate an educated guess about what position the BPA is likely to be. Any thoughts on it?

Odds are favorable that BPA will be a DE or DB in this particular draft. I'd put money on that.

 

[Verdict]

I think DE has a decent chance of being BPA. Not a great chance, but a decent chance. A major CB run in the first could push DE's. Depends on two big things really. 1) A major CB occurring. 2) What grade the Cowboys have on players like Barnett, McKinley and Watt

Agreed. The grade is and should be everything.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I have been trying to piece together some sort of macro view of this draft class. The concensus seems to be that the draft class is deep on the DL, cornerback and running back.

Many posters here seem to believe that the most pressing needs are at Right (pass rushing) DE, cornerback and safety.

Looking at the DEs it seems as though the top ones will be outside our range at #28. Many of the top corners will also be gone as well.

It would appear that DE is not likely to be the best value at #28 and the pick may not be an upgrade over Tapper. I could see is going corner since the top end of the corner class seems deeper than DE.

I have heard some say we will take a safety at #28. This is possible. Additionally if we don't take a safety it sort of seems that there is a bit of a drop off after the top couple of picks. If so, then maybe safety doesn't get addressed until several rounds later.

I think if the Vanderbilt linebacker somehow lasts to #28 (unlikely) that he would be the pick. It is odd, but with the depth of this class being on defense (and the draft class being picked over pretty heavily prior to our pick at #28) that actually increases the chance we take an offensive player with our pick at #28 and then going defense with maybe 3 of our top 5 picks based on the depth of the class on the defensive side of the ball.

I believe that if a player like OJ Howard, Mixon, Mahomes, Njoku or maybe on OL is available to us at #28 I really could see that being the pick.

I look forward to hearing other posters thoughts on the foregoing.

If you pick by you're board, you have a good chance at getting an excellent player. If you pick by need, you have a good chance at getting an adequate player. If you are very lucky, value and need add up. But always choose value over need

Im a firm believer we can build a strong defense in day 2 and 3 of drafts. Ive echoed your statement on Tapper. No guarantee a 1st round DE would beat Tapper. Collins and Brown outplayed players last year draft much higher

 

[Verdict]

Odds are favorable that BPA will be a DE or DB in this particular draft. I'd put money on that.

If Barnett falls, yes. I don't think he will fall. If he doesn't fall then DE won't be BPA most likely. It will be a reach at DE. Garrett and Solomon will almost certainly be gone barring a real divergence in opinion from what we have seen so far.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Agreed. The grade is and should be everything.

A guess as far as DE is Barnett would likely be at the top of the board if he was there. McKinley could possibly. Barnett seems consensus, with McKinley its how much you like him.

I think the most likely best value at 28 would be Barnett, Peppers, or Mike Williams.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If Barnett falls, yes. I don't think he will fall. If he doesn't fall then DE won't be BPA most likely. It will be a reach at DE. Garrett and Solomon will almost certainly be gone barring a real divergence in opinion from what we have seen so far.

I give Barnett about a 30% chance. A run on CB's and overdrafting QB's could potentially push him. He could be a guy teams may pick up the phone on if he hits the 20's, but teams my also not want to trade up in a strong draft