Video: Randy Gregory

[BAT]

This post says two different things at once.

The first bolded part was in reference to SUCCESS not talent (blue chip or otherwise).

 

[AKATheRake]

Didnt like the player before the draft, didnt like the pick on draft day and still dont. Not even going into his off the field problems, the guy is weak. Will never be able to handle LTs.

Nobody is obligated to, but you didn't watch the video did you?

He's far from weak. It's quite the opposite actually.

 

[JPostSam]

First don't tell me what to do. And I haven't characterized you at all although you would be correct to assume I've called you out for your insensitivity and lack of knowledge about the subject matter. Without training you and everyone else is shooting from the hip. So I'm not being judgmental towards you. However, without proper training and knowledge, as I said before, you may want to temper your comments.

No I don't have access to his file. However, I have enough years of practice and training to be able to make a statement within a reasonable degree of medical certainty (a medical and legal statement to clarify my closely chosen words) that he has some mental problems and the overwhelmingly likely diagnoses at least includes some degree of depression with comorbid anxiety. I'd even be surprised if there aren't some further comorbid diagnoses and I'd be looking for ADD/ADHD and a personality disorder. I can't know for a fact without testing and lots of questions but I'd be right 90+% of the time in a patient with an addictive personality and an active addiction there is an element of depression and anxiety as well as sleep dysfunction. I don't really expect you to even understand this plain English as you don't have the background to filter it and you have become entrenched in a pissing contest with me rather than with the issues.

I've given you and the site very good information and you're welcome to embrace or reject it in toto or in parts as you wish. I have zero vested interest in changing your opinion about anything. I do take a small amount of exception with comments from lay people which tend to drive mental disorders into the shadows rather than into treatment. You don't treat patients and you've never been responsible for the care of another human being who committed suicide on your watch.

You have a nice evening and that will be my last comment in this thread. You're welcome to the last word.

thank you for giving me the last word.

i never dismissed or belittled mental illness. you put those words in my mouth, criticized me for it, then attempted to use your professional background as a bludgeon to prove an unnecessary point. that's not contributing important information, it's being a pompous bore.

i understand plain english just fine, by the way.

and i hope that, in the future, we can stick to football in commenting on each other's views about this team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He would be suspended for 10 games. Yes, I do realize everything regarding his circumstances.

You're using the word naive and it's naive to believe that the majority of these guys all have their marbles in check.

I'm not standing up for the guy or even giving him sympathy. I'm just stating the realities of the NFL and players don't just get written off because of "illness" or "addiction. Guess why? The majority of them have a variety of issues. The NFL is not going to just tell you that.

They get paid to smash one another around. You do realize that, don't you?

I have no problem with head cases and some of these guys are certainly not model citizens. But I am talking about Gregory all by himself. You want to lump him into a category of guys with issues and look at others that have made it. From what we have seen I believe regarding his individual case, based on the facts we DO know that he is a long shot to make it long term in the NFL and even shorter with the Cowboys.

There were even scouts and GM's before the draft that were saying that the kid had no shot to make it with his disorders. We are seeing why now. Jerry clearly has over confidence in his internal abilities to give these guys support. Some you just cant help.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You sound like a guy who gets paid $6 million per year to coach and develop players.

All I hear out of you is words like naive and dumb.

So just write the guy off cause he's not a RKG (coach speak), when the rest of the league doesn't just "write" their guys off. But then to come up with a player model (RKG) in your words "coach speak" is just that.

Anyways, your right bud, cause that's all you want to hear.

I'm going to make it simple for you instead of going back and forth.

This is the NFL where players get paid to smash one another around. Half of them, star players included, have issues physically or mentally. It does not mean they are right or wrong, it means that is the reality of the business and it's core component that it sells. The players.

If you want to win, you have to understand that this is a huge variable and you better get some system/support in place to be able to work with these players you invested millions in. Just cutting them will not help you win as every team has a percentage of these challenges. The better you are at managing these challenges the higher your probability of being competitive is.

Boy does San Fran look so much better without Aldon Smith. How many Superbowls did we win with Charles Haley?

Accept the reality, you are going to have to deal with some of this on every team. Pot, assault, DUI's. Even underwear stealing. Many different types of cases. Let's get rid of Oscan, he had some molly in his system the other year.

You think Jason Witten grows off trees?

RKG has nothing to do with giving someone a shot. I think the term is dumb because it never gets followed here in Dallas. I would'nt follow it either if I was Jones. But Garrett talks as if we do follow it here and its just laughable he keeps doing it. Its almost like an inside joke on Garrett by the fan base.

As far as writing off Gregory, I am not advocating cutting him today. That would be writing him off. I am just trying to give you advice that at this point, dont get your hopes up. If I was a betting man I would say that the chances of him staying in Dallas long enough to actually develop into the pass rushing demon his talent might provide is getting less and less. Mentally for me, I am not counting on him at all. And I dont think the Cowboys are either. You cant run your ship counting on guys like that. Now you can hope all you want. Have at it.

 

[AKATheRake]

RKG has nothing to do with giving someone a shot. I think the term is dumb because it never gets followed here in Dallas. I would'nt follow it either if I was Jones. But Garrett talks as if we do follow it here and its just laughable he keeps doing it. Its almost like an inside joke on Garrett by the fan base.

As far as writing off Gregory, I am not advocating cutting him today. That would be writing him off. I am just trying to give you advice that at this point, dont get your hopes up. If I was a betting man I would say that the chances of him staying in Dallas long enough to actually develop into the pass rushing demon his talent might provide is getting less and less. Mentally for me, I am not counting on him at all. And I dont think the Cowboys are either. You cant run your ship counting on guys like that. Now you can hope all you want. Have at it.

Not counting on him at all. Not writing him off. Just showcasing his talent that he is wasting.

There's not 1 NFL team that does not have a head case on the team. That simple.

Will Gregory implode? Highly likely. Already has twice.

All teams do and still need a support staff to stay competitive like I said. Good posts.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

The drug is legal in some states and helps some people with medical conditions. I guarantee you its not as harmful as some of the crap Dr's give to their patients. Maybe the league should lighten up on this. I do understand its off limits right now and Gregory is breaking the rules...

 

[speedkilz88]

RKG has nothing to do with giving someone a shot. I think the term is dumb because it never gets followed here in Dallas. I would'nt follow it either if I was Jones. But Garrett talks as if we do follow it here and its just laughable he keeps doing it. Its almost like an inside joke on Garrett by the fan base.

As far as writing off Gregory, I am not advocating cutting him today. That would be writing him off. I am just trying to give you advice that at this point, dont get your hopes up. If I was a betting man I would say that the chances of him staying in Dallas long enough to actually develop into the pass rushing demon his talent might provide is getting less and less. Mentally for me, I am not counting on him at all. And I dont think the Cowboys are either. You cant run your ship counting on guys like that. Now you can hope all you want. Have at it.

It never gets followed here in Dallas? The majority of draft picks they've brought in are team captains. RKG doesn't mean they won't gamble on guys getting their act together.

 

[AKATheRake]

RKG has to do with players that are team first, want to develop and know how to stay out of trouble.

Examples: Jason Witten, Sean Lee

Anti RKG's: Ro McClain, Randy Gregory

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not counting on him at all. Not writing him off. Just showcasing his talent that he is wasting.

There's not 1 NFL team that does not have a head case on the team. That simple.

Will Gregory implode? Highly likely. Already has twice.

All teams do and still need a support staff to stay competitive like I said. Good posts.

So it looks like we are in full agreement. At least we got there.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It never gets followed here in Dallas? The majority of draft picks they've brought in are team captains. RKG doesn't mean they won't gamble on guys getting their act together.

Well as you pointed out there is a minority that arent RKG's. So why bother saying it if you dont really mean it? Its just coach speak, nothing more. EVERY coach in the NFL wants do draft team captains and hard working great guys on and off the field. But its quite clear that the Cowboys follow that recipe as little as anyone in the NFL. So again, it means NOTHING other than coach speak.

The problem is that Garrett apologists use it to try and imply how much he is changing the culture or transforming the roster here in Dallas. When its quite clear that he still has marginal input in that and nothing close to final say.

 

[CowboyRoy]

RKG has to do with players that are team first, want to develop and know how to stay out of trouble.

Examples: Jason Witten, Sean Lee

Anti RKG's: Ro McClain, Randy Gregory

That would be my definition and pretty much text book definition. But Garrett apologists tend to imply or cater the definition to some dumbed down version based on what actually happens here in Dallas.

 

[LatinMind]

Nobody is obligated to, but you didn't watch the video did you?

He's far from weak. It's quite the opposite actually.

against college competition. theres a reason even when he was back from injury last yr he didnt get much playing time. He just couldnt match up

 

[AKATheRake]

That would be my definition and pretty much text book definition. But Garrett apologists tend to imply or cater the definition to some dumbed down version based on what actually happens here in Dallas.

Here's what I'm getting at though. He's not wrong in saying you want RKG's. You want as many as you can get on your team. It's just very difficult to have a team 100% full of them. If 1 exists at all.

So what happens in Dallas pretty much happens with the rest of the league, it just gets blown up more here because it's the Cowboys. Every team has their "issue" players and that's before or after you draft them. The smarter teams have the better internal support systems to attempt to overcome these challenges and compete.

Every team has an internal support system. How good? That's the question. It's the NFL where guys are star athletes, smash one another and have all kinds of pressure. Coaches and FO's deal with all kinds of ego's and icons. From what I'm hearing, Randy Gregory is a coachable good kid that needs to take all that's bothering him inside out on defenses. That's coming from coach Leon Lett.

 

[AKATheRake]

against college competition. theres a reason even when he was back from injury last yr he didnt get much playing time. He just couldnt match up

Well, he's 20 lbs bigger and was a rookie coming off an injury. That's what happens to rookies, especially at his position going up against the biggest guy on the field. They need that offseason or too and that NFL weight room/trainer.

His strength will be fine. He's a speed player as well, so when your wheels are busted it affects you greatly.

 

[big dog cowboy]

RKG has nothing to do with giving someone a shot. I think the term is dumb because it never gets followed here in Dallas.

Well, that is completely false. Our drafting history proves we do.

 

[LatinMind]

Well, he's 20 lbs bigger and was a rookie coming off an injury. That's what happens to rookies, especially at his position going up against the biggest guy on the field. They need that offseason or too and that NFL weight room/trainer.

His strength will be fine. He's a speed player as well, so when your wheels are busted it affects you greatly.

20lbs? Where did u get that? at the combine Gregory was 235 Dallas cowboys list him at 240. He is what he is. Dallas just made a bad pick.

 

[AshyLarry06]

If Gregory is a pass rusher getting 10+ sacks for the next 3 years he will get plenty of guaranteed money, weed problem be damned. Look at Justin Houston. He tested positive for weed at the combine. He has produced since and that fool got a crazy deal

Dude, can you please stop? You're making too much sense, WAY too much sense to the point where the negative nancys out here will be scrambling to conjure up some new, extra-ridiculous propaganda denouncing Gregory as a "waste of talent" after ONE WHOLE SEASON! Honestly, the amount of people on here who are so utterly convinced that Gregory will be nothing more than another waste of potential bc of his "uncontrollable and troubling WEED addiction!" are woefully uninformed to such a high degree that some may even consider them ignorant.

Personally however, I do not consider such folk ignorant by any means because ignorance doesn't do them justice. IMO, these opinionated souls are, simply put, a group of painstakingly deranged and thoroughly imbecilic buffoons because of their imprudently voiced opinions on MARIJUANA addiction which is absolute ludicrous and nothing less.

Oh and I'm not just saying this based off a wikipedia article lol. Unfortunately, i'm quite well-versed in the field of substance abuse considering the fact that i suffered from the disease of addiction (heroin addiction to be specific) for many dark, extremely scary years. HOWEVA, I now have 4 years sober and am coming up on 5 years next week sooooo i think i'd know a thing or two about addiction lol and thus, felt qualified enough to speak my mind in an unfiltered manner...

 

[AKATheRake]

20lbs? Where did u get that? at the combine Gregory was 235 Dallas cowboys list him at 240. He is what he is. Dallas just made a bad pick.

Check any website you want. He's listed a 255 and in prior posts I have left a few links.

By the way. The combine was over a year ago and Randy gregory is an NFL player who is on an NFL team with an NFL trainer that lets him work out in an NFL weight room. You keep mentioning college and the combine. He is actually an NFL player now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Here's what I'm getting at though. He's not wrong in saying you want RKG's. You want as many as you can get on your team. It's just very difficult to have a team 100% full of them. If 1 exists at all.

So what happens in Dallas pretty much happens with the rest of the league, it just gets blown up more here because it's the Cowboys. Every team has their "issue" players and that's before or after you draft them. The smarter teams have the better internal support systems to attempt to overcome these challenges and compete.

Every team has an internal support system. How good? That's the question. It's the NFL where guys are star athletes, smash one another and have all kinds of pressure. Coaches and FO's deal with all kinds of ego's and icons. From what I'm hearing, Randy Gregory is a coachable good kid that needs to take all that's bothering him inside out on defenses. That's coming from coach Leon Lett.

Well said. For me, I have no issue with Garrett saying it. Coach speak. Garrett fans over blow it. As if he is some kind of revolutionary culture changing genius by saying it. I find that amusing.