Randy moss and cap space

[gazmc_06]

Pretty sure? And you know this how?

From media reports?

I said I think it will happen, at no point did I say I know it will happen...Jerry seems pretty confident owners will opt out, I think there is a good chance it will happen.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

There wont be an uncapped year and we wont be signing Moss..

And we didnt sign TO back in 2006.... right......

 

[Sandyf]

Remember whatever you sign Moss for, then TO will want the same type contract.

Radio reports in Dallas and Boston have Randy Moss visiting Dallas on Tuesday, March 4th, so we'll see.

Contract for either is probably going to be quite similar to Flozell Adams contract but probably 20 million in guarantees but the first two years of the cap probably only being around a cap hit of 5 million total each year. Contracts will probably be for six years so the bonus money will be spread over six years like Adams.

I would look for bonus to be around 15 to 18 million with the salary guaranteed for 2008 and 2009.

Say the bonus is 15 million, so that is a cap hit of 2.5 million per year on the bonus and then say salary of 2.5 million in 2008 and 2009 which would put the cap hit at 5 million per year the first two years.

TO current cap charge for 2008 is 7 million so 2 million would obvisiously be saved there before a possible contract with Moss.

IMO, I doubt we sign Moss but who knows.

 

[CATCH17]

No Moss!

 

[Paniolo22]

If we sign Moss to a gazillion dollar contract, what do you all think we are going to have to pay TO? Yes, at the very least, the same damn thing. This is not going to happen guys. It will demand that we make our 2 receivers the higest paid in the league, which isn't going to happen.

 

[hendog]

For all we know Romo has told Jerry that he would restructure his contract and not to worry about that. He could restructure and free up a ton of cap space. Just because we haven't heard anything about it doesn't mean anything.

 

[YosemiteSam]

For Moss to sign, TO will have to agree. Cutting Glenn and resigning TO will probably have to come first. Resigning TO would allow the Cowboys to free up more cap space.

So the bigger question is, would TO mind if Moss came to Dallas? He could make it happen.

 

[YosemiteSam]

For all we know Romo has told Jerry that he would restructure his contract and not to worry about that. He could restructure and free up a ton of cap space. Just because we haven't heard anything about it doesn't mean anything.

Romo needs to work on his deep ball if Moss comes. He doesn't throw it very well from the pocket.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

For Moss to sign, TO will have to agree. Cutting Glenn and resigning TO will probably have to come first. Resigning TO would allow the Cowboys to free up more cap space.

So the bigger question is, would TO mind if Moss came to Dallas? He could make it happen.

Dont forget the media angle.
I think Jerry could get TO to accept Moss and vice versa... the question becomes.... CAN TO AND MOSS survive the media created/fabricated/fueled controversies throughout the year. THAT is more concern to me that them getting along.... although them getting along is a close second... maybe 1a LOL

 

[YosemiteSam]

If we sign Moss to a gazillion dollar contract, what do you all think we are going to have to pay TO? Yes, at the very least, the same damn thing. This is not going to happen guys. It will demand that we make our 2 receivers the higest paid in the league, which isn't going to happen.

TO would have to resign first. Resigning TO would restructure his money freeing up cap space. TO would have to agree first.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Romo needs to work on his deep ball if Moss comes. He doesn't throw it very well from the pocket.

Yeah been thinking about that. Romo is good but he will have to chuck it.... FAR.....

That is a concern.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dont forget the media angle.
I think Jerry could get TO to accept Moss and vice versa... the question becomes.... CAN TO AND MOSS survive the media created/fabricated/fueled controversies throughout the year. THAT is more concern to me that them getting along.... although them getting along is a close second... maybe 1a LOL

Exactly.

From the way the mediots put things, you'd think Owens has been on the verge of corrupting the team and quitting since he's been here. Instead he's put up monster numbers, his teammates love him, and he's said over and over this is the happiest he's been in his career.

We likely don't need $10 million of cap space just to sign moss. Probably looking at the $5 million of cap space.

I'm all for it if it doesn't kill us cap wise in the future. It's hard to fault a move that is trying to make the team the best it can possibly be if it doesn't kill them against the cap in the future.





YAKUZA

 

[Redball Express]

Yeah been thinking about that. Romo is good but he will have to chuck it.... FAR.....

That is a concern.

Romo does have a tendency to short arm the deep balls.

But that's really just a matter of practice.

He's got the arm strength.

I think Moss here could work. I think that there is just not enough balls to go around, though to keep everybody happy.

Except I can only imagine what our offense could look like if Moss had the 50+ catches that Crayton had this season as the other WR.

OMG.

And that's without changing any of the throws that went to Witten and TO as we did.

Hmmm...

could this happen..?

I just doubt it. I just think we are in deep already with having TO here at his cap hit and he's just now meeting expectations for the money he has received after his first two years here.

This third year is either the payoff year with him or he maybe edging over to the liability side of the balance equation as far as justifying him being here.

It's a big question.

But if we can have a guy who has once danced on the Star against us, we can sure have a guy who used to single-handedly destroy us on our sidelines, too.

:starspin ReDBall ExPreSS:starspin

 

[YosemiteSam]

Except I can only imagine what our offense could look like if Moss had the 50+ catches that Crayton had this season as the other WR.

I could. Our defense would be tired. He would score so damn quickly our defense would never get to rest! :laugh2:

 

[cowboyrock]

Romo does have a tendency to short arm the deep balls.

But that's really just a matter of practice.

He's got the arm strength.

I think Moss here could work. I think that there is just not enough balls to go around, though to keep everybody happy.

Except I can only imagine what our offense could look like if Moss had the 50+ catches that Crayton had this season as the other WR.

OMG.

And that's without changing any of the throws that went to Witten and TO as we did.

Hmmm...

could this happen..?

I just doubt it. I just think we are in deep already with having TO here at his cap hit and he's just now meeting expectations for the money he has received after his first two years here.

This third year is either the payoff year with him or he maybe edging over to the liability side of the balance equation as far as justifying him being here.

It's big question.

But if we can have a guy who has once danced on the Star against us, we can sure have a guy who used to single-handedly destroy us our sidelines.

:starspin ReDBall ExPreSS:starspin

Stop it folks, just stop it. we dont need to wasting time of getting Randy moss. that is not the main problem with this team. plus it's not going to happen. Jerry just does not seem to get it.fix the secondary Jerry. it's the only way to win big games.

 

[DallasEast]

I could. Our defense would be tired. He would score so damn quickly our defense would never get to rest! :laugh2:

They would be tired, but DeMarcus Ware would have twice as many opportunities to sack quarterbacks. His sack numbers would be sick. That's a silver lining I could live with.

 

[sonnyboy]

What do we do if we get Moss?

One year deals totalling 5 years.


5 years / $50mil

$5 mil base - $5 mil roster bonus EVERY YEAR?


Any contract guru's out there?


Then we gotta do something similar for TO.... can they handle getting paid the same?

I think 5 years 45 mil 15 mil SB gets it done. Annual cap numbers could be:
2008 5mil, 2009 7mil, 2010 9mil, 2011 11mil, 2012 13mil

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

TO would have to resign first. Resigning TO would restructure his money freeing up cap space. TO would have to agree first.

Ah... the laws of Diva-dom.... Moss gets signed first THEN TO the Diva that was here first gets signed 2nd.

Romo does have a tendency to short arm the deep balls.

But that's really just a matter of practice.

He's got the arm strength.

I am not sure on that.

I think Moss here could work. I think that there is just not enough balls to go around, though to keep everybody happy.

The BIG "IF" is..... "IF" TO and Moss can see the big picture of winning a SB... it could work.

Think about it.. Moss just put up record numbers last year and no SB win.
TO has put up 2 of his best career years and no SB win.

I would hope Jerry could point that out and let them know.... Winning is all that matters. Be parts of the puzzle... not the whole puzzle.

 

[skinsscalper]

As much as I would love to have this dream Madden Matchup of TO and Moss (damn, it feels good just to say it) It ain't gonna happen. More importantly, it SHOULDN'T happen. Moss is an amazing talent. But, much like our own TO the guy has baggage.

Moss was a model citizen last year in New England and, by all accounts, a great teammate. I'm not sure that the egos of Moss and Owens would or could co-exist. It could be great for a few weeks, but all it's going to take is for TO to jump Randy's *** for an "ole" block, or for Randy to go on a 3 game 5 TD run while TO has a combined 7 catches over that stretch with 1 TD in garbage time, and the whole thing is going to fester like a volcano.

Beyond all that, this team is good. It's real damn good. They fell short of their (and our) expectations last year, but they definitely had the talent to make it to and win the Super Bowl. They fell short, and I'll guarantee you they learned from it. The problem wasn't alack of talent. I'm not sure what we lacked at the end of the season. Heart? Fire? I just don't see a repeat of last year happening again. We didn't lack for talent. But, what we did lack for, I don't believe, can be bought. Earned maybe, but I don't think it can be bought. And that's what this Moss hype is all about. Trying to buy our way into making sure that last year doesn't repeat itself. It's the wrong approach and one that has historically put us behind (long term) to a much greater degree than it ever put us ahead (short term).

This team is solid and there's no need to go "Foreskins" on the season or our cap by risking the inability to re-sign guys like Ware, Newman, Barber (if along term deal isn't reached this year), Hamlin, or any other player that may be drafted or join the team down the road. ONE GUY isn't worth all that.

Jerry needs to stay smart and do what we've been doing for the past few years. We need to have solid drafts and groom some younger, cheaper players to fill in some of these areas of the team. That way you can AFFORD to have 13 Pro Bowl players.

 

[speedkilz88]

Restructuring Romo's contract would be simple and it would actually benefit Romo. All it would be is turning base salary into signing bonus so that they could prorate the money over the entire contract. As long as Romo doesn't suffer a career ending injury before the contract is up, it won't hurt the team and if that happens the team is screwed anyway.