Rank your top-5 QBs of all-time

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dboyz;1994094 said:
My criterion is which guy would I want to start one game I had to win. Also I am only picking from those I actually saw play significantly (after 1980)

1. Dan Marino. Quick release, great arm, an absolute killer with the ball in his hands. Never had a great running game our defense to help him.

2. Joe Montana. Joe Cool. Great accuracy and always played great in the big games.

3. John Elway. The prototype, great arm, great mobility, and an excellent leader.

4. Troy Aikman. Excellent arm and tremendous accuracy and also played his best games when it mattered the most.

5. Tom Brady. People seem a little down on him after the super bowl choke, but he is a tremendous player. Good arm and accuracy and sees the field as well as any QB ever IMO. Also played his best games on the big stage.


Good list and I can't argue with any of them based on the criteria you used.

The only problem I have with Brady is that he hasn't played very long. If he continues to perform at a high level for another few years then he would move up on my list. In my statistical rating system, he is 2nd only to Otto Graham all-time.
 

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gazmc_06;1993856 said:
That would be why it's my list and not yours....didn't ask for your approval.

Yeah and if you did ask you would not get my approval, because that is absolutely the worst list I have seen (well now I have seen a few more that look just as bad). I question whether you could even name six quarterbacks. But since it is your list your award for the worst possible top 5 list remains yours! Congratulations on your football QB ignorance!
 

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utrunner07;1994120 said:
A bunch of y'all need to get a clue, any list with Moon, Favre, or Brady in the top 5 is a complete joke. Personally I don't think Aikman is top five either but I can understand why he is showing up here...but seriously...Moon, Favre and Brady, go back and watch old games.

It depends on what criteria they are using.

That is the purpose of this thread, to see what criteria people use when ranking their top-5 QBs. Some only go by players they actually watched play. Some by how well they threw the ball. Some by how good they were in crunch time. etc.

I have a certain set of criteria I use when ranking all-time greats but I am always open to seeing what other people use and possibly adding that to mine or adjusting mine a bit.

There are no wrong answers here since it is all opinion.
 

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dboyz;1994094 said:
My criterion is which guy would I want to start one game I had to win. Also I am only picking from those I actually saw play significantly (after 1980)

1. Dan Marino. Quick release, great arm, an absolute killer with the ball in his hands. Never had a great running game our defense to help him.

2. Joe Montana. Joe Cool. Great accuracy and always played great in the big games.

3. John Elway. The prototype, great arm, great mobility, and an excellent leader.

4. Troy Aikman. Excellent arm and tremendous accuracy and also played his best games when it mattered the most.

5. Tom Brady. People seem a little down on him after the super bowl choke, but he is a tremendous player. Good arm and accuracy and sees the field as well as any QB ever IMO. Also played his best games on the big stage.

Not only is it too soon to evaluate Tom Brady, he has played with the best offensive line in decades. Put any starting QB in the NFL today back there and you are going to get similar results. Geez, half his touchdowns this year were just standing back there chunking the ball down the field to Randy Moss. So basically anyone who could through 40 yards or so to a huge Randy Moss or hit a 5 yard wide target that is Wes Welker would be just as good as Tom Brady.
 

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THUMPER;1994131 said:
There are no wrong answers here since it is all opinion.

For the most part I agree with this but then there are just some opinions, (Favre at #1?), (Brady at #1), that are so off, they have to be wrong. I don't make the rules concerning opinions, I just enforce them and let others no when they are wrong.
 

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utrunner07;1994120 said:
A bunch of y'all need to get a clue, any list with Moon, Favre, or Brady in the top 5 is a complete joke. Personally I don't think Aikman is top five either but I can understand why he is showing up here...but seriously...Moon, Favre and Brady, go back and watch old games.

As far as puting him in the Top 5 of all-time, I agree with you that Warren doesn't belong there. But, I will say that Moon was a darn good QB. His misfortune, as with so many others, was to be stuck with teams that were not championship caliber. It seemed that no matter how good Moon played the team would fail him (the Buffalo play-off game is a perfect example). I remember watching Dallas sack him 12 times in one game during the 1985 season. The man took a terrible beating that day, but he hung in there. I have had respect for him ever since. Warren is no by no means Top 5, but he definately is in the Top 15.:)
 

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My list will likely upset some of the older guys here who saw guys like Johnny U and Otto play, but since I didn't see any actual games from them then they won't make my list.


Top 5 QBs:

1: Joe Montana - There was, is, and maybe never will be a better big game QB than Joe. In the ultimate game he was the ultimate performer. A perfect 4-0 in the Superbowl with a perfect 11-0 TD to INT ratio in those four games. 2 times he brought his team from behind, in the final 3 minutes of the game, to score game winning TD passes which helped him earn 3 Superbowl MVP awards in those 4 appearances.

2: John Elway - The heart and soul of the Denver Broncos. The man willed his teams to victories, and Superbowl appearances, when he was pretty much the only big time player they had. One of the top two come from behind QBs of all time. You gotta love how he gave his all out there on the field.

3: Tom Brady - I know a lot of people hate him cause he's the pretty boy QB and he plays for the Patriots but this guy is just cool as can be. 3 times he's lead teams to Superbowl titles with very little in the way of offensive weapons that really scare anyone at the WR spots. A 2-Time Superbowl MVP and barely 30 years old. Brilliant QB.

4: Roger Staubach - Captain Comeback. Led the Cowboys to 4 Superbowl appearances, gaining 2 victories (And if not for that great friggen Steelers defense very well could have had 4) and always seemed to give Cowboys fans hope, and opposing teams sick stomachs, that the game was never over, till it was over.

5: Brett Favre/Troy Aikman - Now I'll admit this is a tough spot for me to choose, and I'm also more than willing to admit there are probably many other QBs who deserve to be here above either, or possibly both, of these guys but this is my list and this why they're here.

Troy Aikman - Lead the Cowboys to 3 Superbowl Championships in a four year span (The first team to ever accomplish that) and picked up a Superbowl MVP along the way for his brilliant performance in Superbowl 27 that is sometimes forgotten/overshadowed by the brilliant performance of the Cowboys defense that night. Maybe the most accurate passer I've ever had the priveledge of watching.

Brett Favre - The Ironman. Heart, guts, determination, a will to win. Most great QBs have those qualities but this man had them in spades. Sure he was a gambler, took risks, and made some bad plays but the guy made even more big time plays that were positive and until Romo came along, with a similiar style, there might not have been a more fun QB to watch play. A play was never dead, till it was dead, with Favre and I liked that. A Superbowl Champion and lead the Packers to back to back Superbowl appearances. On on offense that even at its best was full of good players but only one great player in Favre he helped bring Titletown back to the National Scene after years and years of being dormate and forgotten.

The NFL all time leader in passing yards, Touchdown passes, completions, attempts, and the longest consecutive starts streak of any QB in the history of the game (270+ counting playoffs), not to mention the ONLY 3 time NFL MVP and he won it 3 straight years.
 

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utrunner07;1994136 said:
For the most part I agree with this but then there are just some opinions, (Favre at #1?), (Brady at #1), that are so off, they have to be wrong. I don't make the rules concerning opinions, I just enforce them and let others no when they are wrong.

It is impossible for a persons opinion to be wrong. Thats why it's called an opinion and not a fact. Your thought, or belief, or idea of how something is, was, should be does not over-ride, nor is it more valuable, than any other persons opinion. You're no more an expert than I or the kid who serves sodas at the local 7-11.
 

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utrunner07;1994128 said:
Yeah and if you did ask you would not get my approval, because that is absolutely the worst list I have seen (well now I have seen a few more that look just as bad). I question whether you could even name six quarterbacks. But since it is your list your award for the worst possible top 5 list remains yours! Congratulations on your football QB ignorance!


Dude, seriously, maybe you should just go away. Being a dick to people because they don't share the same view as you. You're no more an expert than anyone else so stop holding your opinions so highly.

It's personal preferance for each poster. It's not like they killed your mother or something. So chill out.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1994151 said:
It is impossible for a persons opinion to be wrong. Thats why it's called an opinion and not a fact. Your thought, or belief, or idea of how something is, was, should be does not over-ride, nor is it more valuable, than any other persons opinion. You're no more an expert than I or the kid who serves sodas at the local 7-11.

So Hitler's opinion that the Jews were inferior was not wrong?
 

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BraveHeartFan;1994171 said:
Dude, seriously, maybe you should just go away. Being a dick to people because they don't share the same view as you. You're no more an expert than anyone else so stop holding your opinions so highly.

It's personal preferance for each poster. It's not like they killed your mother or something. So chill out.

Oh, I agree there are numerous possible top 5s with a number of quarterbacks, I have no problem with someone who has a legit top 5 that I don't agree with. But to put Brady or Favre as THE TOP QB, whether it be of all time or of the past 30 years is a little much...I don't have a problem with those people, I just feel the need to point out their errors in hopes of educating the masses that Favre and Brady are in fact not quarterback gods.
 

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The Panch;1993537 said:
If you think that about Montana, then why is Brady on your list?? He too is a system quarterback. And Young established himself before becoming a 49er and Montana still played well in KC and took them to an AFC title game and they havent won a playoff game since he's been gone.


Brady has played well without good wr's or rb's. He throws the deep ball not dink and dunks. His system isn't new like it was when Walsh gave it to Montana. Montana played ok in KC with the same system. Research every QB that Walsh coached. They all played well and SF didn't miss a beat with Young who was nothing special in Tampa.

I am not saying he wasn't a great QB. I just don't think if you put him on any of those teams Elway took to the Superbowl that Montana could have done the same. If you give him the talent Brady has mostly played with no superbowls for Montana.
 

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utrunner07;1994173 said:
So Hitler's opinion that the Jews were inferior was not wrong?


Comparing people talking about QBs to Hitler wanting to rid the world of people is so beyond stupid that you don't even deserve the right to call anyone else ignorant of anything.

You're talking about a guy who wanted to end life and comparing it to people's opinions on a friggen list of QBs.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1994181 said:
Comparing people talking about QBs to Hitler wanting to rid the world of people is so beyond stupid that you don't even deserve the right to call anyone else ignorant of anything.

You're talking about a guy who wanted to end life and comparing it to people's opinions on a friggen list of QBs.

hmmm...you may be correct. I still stand by the facts though. Peoples opinions can and often are wrong. I have had opinions that are wrong, everyone has, just the way things go...I am just here to help others see that innate truth.
 

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I think we've all enjoyed seeing each others points and justifications.

Caught your answers to me about Bradshaw..just didn't quite agree on what you said totally. But not a problem. I really admire Bradshaw for what he did to our franchise in the SBs and also for what he's done in his TV career.

He's got flaws and he admits to them and he even allows others to rib him for it. And the best thing is, he's smart enough to laugh at himself when he should. But you still respect the guy, even if you don't agree.

I much prefer Bradshaw's style as opposed to Aikman on the tube..anyday. I think most of us do. I couldn't take Aikman in the Network seat each Sunday. We'd bore me to tears in 6 weeks with his having to be right all the time in his opinions.

Overall..I think the list could legitimately be like Top 10 QB and it would still be a close, close call separated by the width of a proverbial female anatomy hair.

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BraveHeartFan;1994146 said:
My list will likely upset some of the older guys here who saw guys like Johnny U and Otto play, but since I didn't see any actual games from them then they won't make my list.


Top 5 QBs:

1: Joe Montana - There was, is, and maybe never will be a better big game QB than Joe. In the ultimate game he was the ultimate performer. A perfect 4-0 in the Superbowl with a perfect 11-0 TD to INT ratio in those four games. 2 times he brought his team from behind, in the final 3 minutes of the game, to score game winning TD passes which helped him earn 3 Superbowl MVP awards in those 4 appearances.

2: John Elway - The heart and soul of the Denver Broncos. The man willed his teams to victories, and Superbowl appearances, when he was pretty much the only big time player they had. One of the top two come from behind QBs of all time. You gotta love how he gave his all out there on the field.

3: Tom Brady - I know a lot of people hate him cause he's the pretty boy QB and he plays for the Patriots but this guy is just cool as can be. 3 times he's lead teams to Superbowl titles with very little in the way of offensive weapons that really scare anyone at the WR spots. A 2-Time Superbowl MVP and barely 30 years old. Brilliant QB.

4: Roger Staubach - Captain Comeback. Led the Cowboys to 4 Superbowl appearances, gaining 2 victories (And if not for that great friggen Steelers defense very well could have had 4) and always seemed to give Cowboys fans hope, and opposing teams sick stomachs, that the game was never over, till it was over.

5: Brett Favre/Troy Aikman - Now I'll admit this is a tough spot for me to choose, and I'm also more than willing to admit there are probably many other QBs who deserve to be here above either, or possibly both, of these guys but this is my list and this why they're here.

Troy Aikman - Lead the Cowboys to 3 Superbowl Championships in a four year span (The first team to ever accomplish that) and picked up a Superbowl MVP along the way for his brilliant performance in Superbowl 27 that is sometimes forgotten/overshadowed by the brilliant performance of the Cowboys defense that night. Maybe the most accurate passer I've ever had the priveledge of watching.

Brett Favre - The Ironman. Heart, guts, determination, a will to win. Most great QBs have those qualities but this man had them in spades. Sure he was a gambler, took risks, and made some bad plays but the guy made even more big time plays that were positive and until Romo came along, with a similiar style, there might not have been a more fun QB to watch play. A play was never dead, till it was dead, with Favre and I liked that. A Superbowl Champion and lead the Packers to back to back Superbowl appearances. On on offense that even at its best was full of good players but only one great player in Favre he helped bring Titletown back to the National Scene after years and years of being dormate and forgotten.

The NFL all time leader in passing yards, Touchdown passes, completions, attempts, and the longest consecutive starts streak of any QB in the history of the game (270+ counting playoffs), not to mention the ONLY 3 time NFL MVP and he won it 3 straight years.

Great list!

It is a tough choice between Favre & Aikman. Favre had a great arm, was as tough as they come, and did an awful lot with not much help. I think I would take Aikman though just because he played better in big games and was more accurate and consistent.
 

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utrunner07;1994128 said:
Yeah and if you did ask you would not get my approval, because that is absolutely the worst list I have seen (well now I have seen a few more that look just as bad). I question whether you could even name six quarterbacks. But since it is your list your award for the worst possible top 5 list remains yours! Congratulations on your football QB ignorance!

I don't need you approval that was the point, Brady has done more with less in terms of winning than any other QB, he still has a few great years left in him as well to add to what he already has. I left off Marino and Manning for a few reasons, Manning has had the best offensive weapons for a long time and has only been to the big game once, he has lost too many big games for my liking and Marino never won the big one...he was a great QB, but you need to have success as well.

Favre though I wouldn't have on my list, not a Favre fan at all.
 

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The top quarterbacks I have seen play would be

Montana
Marino
Manning
Brady
Farve

Elway had the best arm I have ever seen and was the best two minute quarterback. However, check his career numbers before Terrell Davis, Gary Zimmerman and the other all world talent was in place around him. Which would be about his first 11 years or so.. He would not make my top 5 which is 1980 and onward.
 

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If we were to stick with QBs since the merger, from 1970-on, I think there are a number of QBs that a case could be made that they were the greatest:

Here are 10 guys to choose from in chronological order (sort of):

Roger Staubach
Terry Bradshaw
Dan Fouts
Joe Montana
John Elway
Dan Marino
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady


Now put them in order:

You could order them based on who you would want if you needed to win a big game or to build a team around. You could base it on who did the most with the least. Who won the most or put up the best numbers. You could order them based on who you liked best or who you enjoyed watching the most.

I just noticed that almost all of them (except Montana & Favre) played their entire career with the same team. Interesting... I wonder if that was because they were so great or what helped to make them great. Maybe a combination of the two. Hmmm...

Only Fouts & Marino are without SB victories but both guys played for teams with poor defenses. No QB can win without a good supporting cast regardless of how great they might be.

I left out some great QBs who I don't think could reasonably be called the greatest:
Kenny Stabler
Ken Anderson
Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Steve Young


Here's mine based on who I would want to lead my team:

1. Roger Staubach
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Tom Brady
5. Troy Aikman
6. Peyton Manning
7. Dan Marino
8. Terry Bradshaw
9. Brett Favre
10.Dan Fouts


That's not set in stone for me as I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this group.
 

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Leadership is actually the reason I had Brady at #1:

Brady
Montana
Elway
Staubach
Aikman

All of those guy's are great leaders and not only do they make the players around them better, they win, both of those qualities are what leadership is about. Brady has done it as much as anyone with less around him which is why I rank him first.
 
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