Ranking the Cowboys Head Coaches

[Risen Star]

I'll take Parcells over any coach we've had here. Jimmy a very, very close 2nd. The rest are quality control coaches.

 

[lukin2006]

Landy
Johnson
Parcells

After that, I'd say there is a serious drop-off.

And I really believe if Parcells had stayed 1 more season, the Philips 1st season would have been an SB for Dallas, that was Parcell's team...

 

[BAT]

Campo inherited a bona fide mess. A horrible cap structure and very low on talent. The reason that Jerry picked Campo, was that he could trust him, despite all the problems.

Trust him to do what, lose and lose and lose?

 

[BAT]

I've been watching games since the early 70's.

The '89 team didn't quit.

And much like the '89 team, Campo's teams didn't quit... They lacked talent to compete.

You could not be more wrong no matter if you insist your opinion is fact. Michael Irvin will tell you that the 88 and 89 teams were full of quitters, he even gave Jimmy a list. I think Playmaker is more reliable inside source than the Winicki.

 

[BAT]

Landy
Johnson
Parcells

After that, I'd say there is a serious drop-off.

And I really believe if Parcells had stayed 1 more season, the Philips 1st season would have been an SB for Dallas, that was Parcell's team...

Parcells D scheme was no where near as successful as Wade's at that time, the game had passed him by in term of scheme flexibility and in game adjustments. The wide open offenses was more than he could handle and he saw the writing on the wall. There is a reason why he never took another coaching position after Dallas.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You could not be more wrong no matter if you insist your opinion is fact. Michael Irvin will tell you that the 88 and 89 teams were full of quitters, he even gave Jimmy a list. I think Playmaker is more reliable inside source than the Winicki.

I remain unconvinced.

Sorry Bat.

 

[cml750]

cml750 I'm not trying to start anything with this but do you think Tuna wins that playoff game against the Packers with the same team

Of course I do.

 

[Verdict]

Really? That's not how I'd rank them. At least not at the start of a job. Some great coaches have made a career out of rebuilding bad teams and getting them competitive, but don't necessarily stay with a program long enough to rack up playoff wins. Some other great coaches never had a lot of personnel support to ever get them over the top. You really have to look at how guys perform relative to their respective rosters.

As for Garrett v. Parcels, I think Bill would say you are what your record says you are. And his record says Garrett has outperformed him.

Parcells was a better game manager and clock manager than Red Ball. Parcells' theory was superior but his implementation of it not so much. Let's not forget he drafted Barbie Carpenter at #12 overall IIRC.

 

[Zman5]

If we are limiting a discussion to players acquired under Jason Garrett, perhaps one should list the current pro bowl players that came to the team under Jason...first.

I'm not sure what you read but that's not what my post was about. It was about players Wade inherited and players JG inherited from previous regime.

I suggest you read the post I replied to and my post again.

 

[CCBoy]

Trust him to do what, lose and lose and lose?

C'mon, wine on your own quarter and the age old 'coward of the country' was disproven when he locked the damn door. I don't respect this approach from the start...they were Cowboys during a very tough period. If you didn't notice, Green Bay and San Francisco hit the deep six at that very same time as well...but who is paying attention here?

 

[CCBoy]

I'm not sure what you read but that's not what my post was about. It was about players Wade inherited and players JG inherited from previous regime.

I suggest you read the post I replied to and my post again.

(cough, cough) NO, to the contrary, the point of observation was expanded...but way to go by being self limiting and closed eyed.

But going to heart again, maybe you can provide who has come aboard since Garrett has become head coach. No, NEVER MIND, you are self indulgent...here:

With Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator, Dallas drafted Dez Bryant, in 2010. And then as head coach:

2011 - Tyrone Smith (1); DeMarco Murray (3)
2012 - Morris Claiborne (1); Tyrone Crawford (3)
2013 - Travis Frederick (1); Terrence Williams (3); JJ Wilcox (3)
2014 - Zach Martin (1); Demarcus Lawrence (2); Anthony Hitchens (4)
2015 - Byron Jones (1); Randy Gregory (2); Chaz Green (3)
2016 - Ezekiel Elliott (1); Jaylon Smith (2); Maliek Collins (3); Charles Tapper (4); Dak Prescott (4); Anthony Brown (6)

Now that shows a steady and strong addition of talent through the period that Jason Garrett has been on the pay roll.

 

[Zman5]

(cough, cough) NO, to the contrary, the point of observation was expanded...but way to go by being self limiting and closed eyed.

But going to heart again, maybe you can provide who has come aboard since Garrett has become head coach. No, NEVER MIND, you are self indulgent...here:

With Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator, Dallas drafted Dez Bryant, in 2010. And then as head coach:

2011 - Tyrone Smith (1); DeMarco Murray (3)
2012 - Morris Claiborne (1); Tyrone Crawford (3)
2013 - Travis Frederick (1); Terrence Williams (3); JJ Wilcox (3)
2014 - Zach Martin (1); Demarcus Lawrence (2); Anthony Hitchens (4)
2015 - Byron Jones (1); Randy Gregory (2); Chaz Green (3)
2016 - Ezekiel Elliott (1); Jaylon Smith (2); Maliek Collins (3); Charles Tapper (4); Dak Prescott (4); Anthony Brown (6)

Now that shows a steady and strong addition of talent through the period that Jason Garrett has been on the pay roll.

We were talking about HC. Was JG the HC in 2010? Pay attention.

 

[Idgit]

Parcells D scheme was no where near as successful as Wade's at that time, the game had passed him by in term of scheme flexibility and in game adjustments. The wide open offenses was more than he could handle and he saw the writing on the wall. There is a reason why he never took another coaching position after Dallas.

Yep. He helped us out, but overall, his time here was overrated.

 

[Idgit]

Parcells D scheme was no where near as successful as Wade's at that time, the game had passed him by in term of scheme flexibility and in game adjustments. The wide open offenses was more than he could handle and he saw the writing on the wall. There is a reason why he never took another coaching position after Dallas.

Yep. He helped us out, but overall, his time here was overrated.

 

[BAT]

C'mon, wine on your own quarter and the age old 'coward of the country' was disproven when he locked the damn door. I don't respect this approach from the start...they were Cowboys during a very tough period. If you didn't notice, Green Bay and San Francisco hit the deep six at that very same time as well...but who is paying attention here?

Call me when Campo ever locks the door, damned or otherwise. Haley eviscerated Campo in his book because Campo was horrible when it came to in game adjustments, not just game planning. And Campo was a poor leader of men to boot, his players lampooned him constantly.

And wine doesn't cost a quarter where I live.

 

[BAT]

I remain unconvinced.

Sorry Bat.

If Mike Irvin can't convince you then not sure who can.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If Mike Irvin can't convince you then not sure who can.

Do I think there are "quitters" on every team when the going gets tough?

You bet.

No doubt there were folks on the '89 team that felt it was a helpless cause part-way through the season.

But I also bet they weren't as numerous as what is being implied.

Jimmy Johnson wouldn't have tolerated it.

You know why the '89 team lost so many games?

Because the talent level sucked.

The 2008 team under Wade Phillips didn't have that problem– they had talent.

And towards the end of the season there was quitting... which culminated in the "We quit" game vs. the Eagles to end the season... And here's a team (the Cowboys) that was playing for playoff spot.

But even worse was the 2010 team. The game vs. GB was one big quit.

Far worse than anything that was seen under Campo or the talent-less '89 team.

 

[BAT]

Do I think there are "quitters" on every team when the going gets tough?

You bet.

No doubt there were folks on the '89 team that felt it was a helpless cause part-way through the season.

But I also bet they weren't as numerous as what is being implied.

Jimmy Johnson wouldn't have tolerated it.

You know why the '89 team lost so many games?

Because the talent level sucked.

The 2008 team under Wade Phillips didn't have that problem– they had talent.

And towards the end of the season there was quitting... which culminated in the "We quit" game vs. the Eagles to end the season... And here's a team (the Cowboys) that was playing for playoff spot.

But even worse was the 2010 team. The game vs. GB was one big quit.

Far worse than anything that was seen under Campo or the talent-less '89 team.

So you blame the quitters on Wade? Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5 the seasons prior with relatively the same players? Do you also blame Wade for the receivers trying to get Garrett to change his play calling and game planning right before that disaster of a season too? Interesting how poorly team fared after 2009 when Garrett undercut his head coach and the offense by getting Terrell Owens cut from team.

Or do you consider the following 3 straight 8-8 seasons under Garrett to be less than quitting with The very same players that Wade took to the postseason 2 put of 3 seasons?? Just admit that you dislike Wade and your standard for him is completely unreasonable.

Otherwise you would not be so rosy about the abortions that the Cowboys fielded under Campo. Those teams allowed more 200 yard rushers than any other team in the history of the NFL, including Landry's inaugural season where he fielded a team that would not have been competitive against even middling college teams.

 

[Doomsday]

I would love to be able to ask Troy where he would rank Switzer.

I don't care what his playoff record was, he inherited the best team in the NFL.

 

[CWR]

Honestly I did not see the 4-12 season that way.

That team was in many of the games they ended up losing.

I saw effort. I saw a team undone by sub-par quarterbacking and as usual a defense that lacked talent.

Garretts teams have always had fight.