Ranking the QB's

[KJJ]

Don’t disagree but again, talking about stability, Jerome Brown died.

Don’t sell Jim Johnson’s defenses short either. Definitely kicked our Boys arses many times. Hated watching those games.

The team Philadelphia had in 1992 kicked our butts real good early that season in Philly. The score was 31-7. That was the Cowboys best team ever, however they had yet to hit their stride. When they did we handed Philly their butts in the playoffs.

 

[morat1959]

The Bradshaw thing really is a.....hmmmmm???? The guy won all those SB but his career numbers are .....terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He did play on what some consider to be the best team ever those 70's Steelers.

Look at that D line

Mad Dog Dwight White
Ernie Holmes
Mean Joe Greene
LC Greenwood
.
That is crazy, behind that two Hall of fame LB's in Jack Ham and Jack Lambert
Behind that Donnie Shell and Mel Blount two more HOFers. They had a Hall of Fame center, a HOF running Back, two HOF WR, what QB couldn't have won?

I do get the Archie thing but his numbers.....ouch!!!!!!!!!!!

Archie threw 90% of his passes with 2 players hanging on him. Lol

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

I just laughed that the Bears have to go back to Sid Luckman to find a decent QB

Laugh out loud funny

 

[RaZon]

Good luck convincing anyone of that. You must have Tony Romo ranked as the greatest Cowboys QB in franchise history based on your criteria.

What do you actually know about Bradshaw and I already picked Aikman over Romo, so...???

 

[RaZon]

Have to go with Cunningham over McNabb too. Stronger arm, better scrambler. Take Eagles Cunningham the runner and merge with Vikings Cunningham the passer and there you go. Crazy career but never had the stability McNabb enjoyed either. Who would you rather have? Andy Reid, or freaking Buddy Ryan or Dennis Green?

McNabb by far the better passer/QB, Cunningham a better runner.

 

[RaZon]

Getting back to Terry Bradshaw,....

John Stallworth was his best WR, what was his best season....1985, when did Bradshaw retire, 1984.

I get......he won all those Superbowls...so he does have a place in NFL history but he was not a great QB, for every TD he threw here came a INT, really 212 TD, 210 INT.

 

[Jarv]

What do we do with Slingin' Sammy and Johnny LuJack, Bobby Layne, Frankie Albert? What do we do with Otto and Johnny U, Frantic Fran, Bart Starr?

You read anything about the great QB's talking SI/ESPN/Sporting News etc you will se Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas mentioned. Some mention Staubach. Most mention John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Oh yeah....Dan Marino and hell....Joe Montana, Some...Jim Kelly. Dan Fouts?

So how is this done?

The best pre 1980 QB I ever saw play was Johnny U, Otto came a little before my time (if possible, ha!) Unitas was great as was that whole offense. John Mackey, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry all HOFers. The worst important QB's were Bradshaw and Namath, both sucked and their numbers prove that out.

I can dig deep into this having all I need to get down into it and come up with a top 50 list but it will always be......different era back then. So just how do we compare Otto Graham to Big Ben, Staubach to Dak

As of right now just going to go with the best QB for each team

Cowboys....Troy Aikman
Eagles....Donovan McNabb
DC Dragons...Sonny Jurgenson
Giants...Eli Manning
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Lions....Matthew Stafford
Bears....Sid Luckman
Vikes...Frantic Fran
Niners...Joe Montana
Rams...Kurt Warner
Cards...Jim Hart
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Falcons...Matt Ryan
Saints...Drew Brees...who is tailor made for TV
Buc;s.....Vinny Testerverde
Panthers....Cam Newton
Chiefs....Patrick Mahomes
Broncos...John Elway
Raiders...The Snake
Chargers...Philip Rivers (sorry Dan)
Bengals....Ken Anderson
Browns...Otto
Steelers...Big Ben
Ravens...Lamar Jackson
Jets....Joe Namath
Dolphins...Dan Marino
Bills....Jim Kelly
Pats....THE GOAT
Colts....Peyton Manning
Oilers/Titans...Warren Moon
Texans...Desuen Watson
Jags....Mark Brunell

Now how do we rank the top 50 all time, we use....what?

Good work and research! So you mentioned Johnny Unitas was the you ever saw but he's not on the list?

 

[RaZon]

Good work and research! So you mentioned Johnny Unitas was the you ever saw but he's not on the list?

Sure he is...


Starting off....

1.Tom Brady
2.Joe Montana
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5,Drew Brees
6.Brett Favre
7.Dan Marino
8.Johnny Unitas*********************
9.Otto Graham
10.John Elway

You cannot talk the great NFL QB's and not have Johnny U.

 

[RonnieT24]

I would put Bartkowski ahead of Ryan for the Falcons.. and Roger was better than Troy for the Cowboys.. Also Rivers was not as good as Fouts.. Just no..

Staubach was in four Super Bowl appearances. Not five.

Actually Staubach was on the Super Bowl V team that lost to the Colts.. He just wasn't the starter.. but I do think he threw a couple of passes in that game. So 5 appearances, 4 starts. The amazing thing about Roger is that in the 8 years he was the primary starter he got the the NFC Championship 5 times and won 4. He led the NFL in passing 4 times and was also second twice. He was far and away the best passer of his era and were it not for losing 5 years to Navy service he might have records people are still chasing. Even with that he could have played another 5 years if not for the concussions. Which probably never happen in today's NFL when hitting the QB is all but outlawed. Well certain QBs anyway. Roger would eat modern NFL defenses alive. A passer like him in a league where neither he nor his receivers could be hit and his linemen can legally hold? The mind boggles.. Comparing numbers between eras is just dumb. The rules have changed, the style of play changes.. even the attitude players have towards one another has changed. Hell they're not even allowed two a days now.. No matter what the NFLPA tries to sell you the game is Charmin soft now compared to what it was in past eras... and it's only going to get softer..

 

[johneric8]

Have to go with Cunningham over McNabb too. Stronger arm, better scrambler. Take Eagles Cunningham the runner and merge with Vikings Cunningham the passer and there you go. Crazy career but never had the stability McNabb enjoyed either. Who would you rather have? Andy Reid, or freaking Buddy Ryan or Dennis Green?

You sir, have sense.

 

[morat1959]

I would put Bartkowski ahead of Ryan for the Falcons.. and Roger was better than Troy for the Cowboys.. Also Rivers was not as good as Fouts.. Just no..



Actually Staubach was on the Super Bowl V team that lost to the Colts.. He just wasn't the starter.. but I do think he threw a couple of passes in that game. So 5 appearances, 4 starts. The amazing thing about Roger is that in the 8 years he was the primary starter he got the the NFC Championship 5 times and won 4. He led the NFL in passing 4 times and was also second twice. He was far and away the best passer of his era and were it not for losing 5 years to Navy service he might have records people are still chasing. Even with that he could have played another 5 years if not for the concussions. Which probably never happen in today's NFL when hitting the QB is all but outlawed. Well certain QBs anyway. Roger would eat modern NFL defenses alive. A passer like him in a league where neither he nor his receivers could be hit and his linemen can legally hold? The mind boggles.. Comparing numbers between eras is just dumb. The rules have changed, the style of play changes.. even the attitude players have towards one another has changed. Hell they're not even allowed two a days now.. No matter what the NFLPA tries to sell you the game is Charmin soft now compared to what it was in past eras... and it's only going to get softer..

Finally…common ground! Lol You nailed it!

 

[KJJ]

What do you actually know about Bradshaw and I already picked Aikman over Romo, so...???

What I know about Terry Bradshaw is that he won four Super Bowls in six years. He won back to back Super Bowls twice and is the only QB to ever do that. He was the QB of one of the greatest dynasties ever. Bradshaw had a 14-5 playoff record and threw 30 playoff TDs. He had a career game against the Cowboys in Super Bowl 13 passing for 4 TD passes and over 300 yards. Are you saying Terry Bradshaw doesn’t deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and wasn’t a great QB? The playoffs and Super Bowls count for something. It’s the playoffs and Super Bowl’s that have Tom Brady considered the goat. All you care about are regular season numbers. You could care less about playoffs and Super Bowls. Why do you have Troy Aikman rated ahead of Tony Romo when Romo has practically every Dallas Cowboys passing record? Statistically he was far better than Aikman in every category. Romo's passer rating was night and day better than Aikman’s.

 

[RonnieT24]

Finally…common ground! Lol You nailed it!

I honestly think people don't understand just how good Roger Staubach was.. You can't look at just numbers to define a player's greatness but in Roger's case you really need to. His 104.8 passer rating in 1971 .. 50 years ago would have led the NFL in 30 of the last 50 seasons.. It would have been better than Alex Smith's 104.7 in 2017 and Peyton Manning's ratings in 101.0 in 2006 and 104.1 2005. It would have finished in the top 10 EVERY YEAR since 1971. Roger was phenomenal.. His best years stand up even in today's NFL even though his degree of difficulty was orders of magnitude greater. Roger was a transcendent player. I don't think the degree to which he was is truly appreciated.. Which is fine I guess.. He is appreciated by me.. Which is good enough.. for me..

 

[morat1959]

I honestly think people don't understand just how good Roger Staubach was.. You can't look at just numbers to define a player's greatness but in Roger's case you really need to. His 104.8 passer rating in 1971 .. 50 years ago would have led the NFL in 30 of the last 50 seasons.. It would have been better than Alex Smith's 104.7 in 2017 and Peyton Manning's ratings in 101.0 in 2006 and 104.1 2005. It would have finished in the top 10 EVERY YEAR since 1971. Roger was phenomenal.. His best years stand up even in today's NFL even though his degree of difficulty was orders of magnitude greater. Roger was a transcendent player. I don't think the degree to which he was is truly appreciated.. Which is fine I guess.. He is appreciated by me.. Which is good enough.. for me..

He made players around him better. He had eyes in the back of his head. Like Troy, he held players around him accountable. You gave 100 % on the field or he let you know. You stepped between the lines with one purpose only….beat the other team’s brains in. Now after the game, we can all be friends again. I instilled this in all of my kids at a young age. I had the opportunity to coach 3 of the 4 of them. Those 3 went on to have outstanding college careers. One was a 2-time All-American. It’s in the blood. My wife still coaches. One of mine coaches on the HS level and the other on the college level.

 

[Jarv]

Sure he is...


Starting off....

1.Tom Brady
2.Joe Montana
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5,Drew Brees
6.Brett Favre
7.Dan Marino
8.Johnny Unitas*********************
9.Otto Graham
10.John Elway

You cannot talk the great NFL QB's and not have Johnny U.

Sorry, meant your list of best QBs per team.

 

[Established1971]

You must be high taking Mcnabb over Randall Cunningham

I would take McNabb too. Cunningham was so overrated. Ohhhh he can run that makes him so good. Nah.

 

[Established1971]

Fouts had 254 TD and 242 INT, he had an inferior comp %, inferior passer rating and neither guy could run, Rivers more pro bowls also. AND...Fouts had the greatest gang of receiver ever in Winslow, Joiner, Jefferson then Chandler.

Trust me I like Fouts but Rivers numbers are far superiior.

different era. Fouts gets the egde

 

[BigD_95]

Starting off....

1.Tom Brady
2.Joe Montana
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5,Drew Brees
6.Brett Favre
7.Dan Marino
8.Johnny Unitas
9.Otto Graham
10.John Elway

I seem to remember Troy Aikman out playing Brett Fabre in all those playoff games. John Elway way too low.

 

[T-RO]

What do we do with Slingin' Sammy and Johnny LuJack, Bobby Layne, Frankie Albert? What do we do with Otto and Johnny U, Frantic Fran, Bart Starr?

You read anything about the great QB's talking SI/ESPN/Sporting News etc you will se Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas mentioned. Some mention Staubach. Most mention John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Oh yeah....Dan Marino and hell....Joe Montana, Some...Jim Kelly. Dan Fouts?

So how is this done?

The best pre 1980 QB I ever saw play was Johnny U, Otto came a little before my time (if possible, ha!) Unitas was great as was that whole offense. John Mackey, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry all HOFers. The worst important QB's were Bradshaw and Namath, both sucked and their numbers prove that out.

I can dig deep into this having all I need to get down into it and come up with a top 50 list but it will always be......different era back then. So just how do we compare Otto Graham to Big Ben, Staubach to Dak

As of right now just going to go with the best QB for each team

Cowboys....Troy Aikman
Eagles....Donovan McNabb
DC Dragons...Sonny Jurgenson
Giants...Eli Manning
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Lions....Matthew Stafford
Bears....Sid Luckman
Vikes...Frantic Fran
Niners...Joe Montana
Rams...Kurt Warner
Cards...Jim Hart
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Falcons...Matt Ryan
Saints...Drew Brees...who is tailor made for TV
Buc;s.....Vinny Testerverde
Panthers....Cam Newton
Chiefs....Patrick Mahomes
Broncos...John Elway
Raiders...The Snake
Chargers...Philip Rivers (sorry Dan)
Bengals....Ken Anderson
Browns...Otto
Steelers...Big Ben
Ravens...Lamar Jackson
Jets....Joe Namath
Dolphins...Dan Marino
Bills....Jim Kelly
Pats....THE GOAT
Colts....Peyton Manning
Oilers/Titans...Warren Moon
Texans...Desuen Watson
Jags....Mark Brunell

Now how do we rank the top 50 all time, we use....what?

RaZon, just want you to know. You drive me crazy w/some of your posts, and we've had some recent battles. But I do like some.

I emphatically wish you a Merry Christmas!

As for the list: hard to argue with many of the names on your original post.

 

[jterrell]

What do we do with Slingin' Sammy and Johnny LuJack, Bobby Layne, Frankie Albert? What do we do with Otto and Johnny U, Frantic Fran, Bart Starr?

You read anything about the great QB's talking SI/ESPN/Sporting News etc you will se Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas mentioned. Some mention Staubach. Most mention John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Oh yeah....Dan Marino and hell....Joe Montana, Some...Jim Kelly. Dan Fouts?

So how is this done?

The best pre 1980 QB I ever saw play was Johnny U, Otto came a little before my time (if possible, ha!) Unitas was great as was that whole offense. John Mackey, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry all HOFers. The worst important QB's were Bradshaw and Namath, both sucked and their numbers prove that out.

I can dig deep into this having all I need to get down into it and come up with a top 50 list but it will always be......different era back then. So just how do we compare Otto Graham to Big Ben, Staubach to Dak

As of right now just going to go with the best QB for each team

Cowboys....Troy Aikman
Eagles....Donovan McNabb
DC Dragons...Sonny Jurgenson
Giants...Eli Manning
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Lions....Matthew Stafford
Bears....Sid Luckman
Vikes...Frantic Fran
Niners...Joe Montana
Rams...Kurt Warner
Cards...Jim Hart
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Falcons...Matt Ryan
Saints...Drew Brees...who is tailor made for TV
Buc;s.....Vinny Testerverde
Panthers....Cam Newton
Chiefs....Patrick Mahomes
Broncos...John Elway
Raiders...The Snake
Chargers...Philip Rivers (sorry Dan)
Bengals....Ken Anderson
Browns...Otto
Steelers...Big Ben
Ravens...Lamar Jackson
Jets....Joe Namath
Dolphins...Dan Marino
Bills....Jim Kelly
Pats....THE GOAT
Colts....Peyton Manning
Oilers/Titans...Warren Moon
Texans...Desuen Watson
Jags....Mark Brunell

Now how do we rank the top 50 all time, we use....what?

Troy Aikman was very solid but he was not the best QB in Cowboys history.
In fact, Aikman and Dak are essentially the same guy.
Aikman was slightly more accurate but he also provided slightly less improvisation.
Both took what the defense gave them and provided A1 leadership.
Aikman, like Dak, wasn't the best QB of his era but brought amazing intangibles to bear.

Roger Staubach was easily the best Cowboys QB. He never finished a season at or below .500 and the team never lost more than 6 games with him as a full-time starter.
The team won 11 games with him as starter the final 4 years of his career.

And yes I know QB wins are frowned upon as nonsense but it is impossible to compare stats across eras when guys could clothesline WRs and defense lineman could head slap OT's.
Dozens of rules have been implemented solely to boost passing offense.
And much of that is because Roger showed the league how exciting and marketable it was.