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Mincey isn't not close to a Cliff Avril or Michael Bennett.
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And you know this how?
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Because I watch football in general and not just Cowboys games.
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I would love to be able to sign a guy like Houston or Hardy but I don't see it. It will be interesting to see what happens in Washington. Orakpo was really hurt by the scheme change. He went from years of averaging 8 to 10 sacks to 1 in the 34.
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We're going to address the DL by drafting and making small VFA upgrades across the board. The idea is to have a rotation that plays better over time because they have fewer snaps and a lot of depth. We need to upgrade more than one of those positions, and we need to add at least one dynamic player that teams have to adjust to to the DL. Not sure where that's going to come from if it's not Lawrence. We won't find one where we're picking that doesn't need time to develop. I'm sure we'll add a player or two in VFA, but they'll be lucky to be along the lines of the Mincey acquisition. Mincey, by the way, was far from the reason we're home right now. Teams need guys like Mincey. He just can't be the guy you're counting on for most of your pressures.
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Check out Mincey's stats in the post-season compared to Arvil and and Bennett. Once again: Mincey is not the reason the Cowboys are home right now.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...Category=TACKLES&conference=null&d-447263-p=1
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Trying to get my head around a signing like Hardy. He certainly is a heck of a player. And he fits that profile of damaged enough to need redemption and good enough to help. Is there some combination of therapy and support that makes that signing tolerable? Do you think this is a move we might realistically make?
I'm not usually one to want guys out of the league if they're not otherwise obligated to serve time or whatever for their mistakes, but it's hard to get behind bringing in a player who hits and threatens women. Here's a little bit about his departure from the CAR locker room. It looks like he's done there. It also suggests that Hardy wasn't a bad guy to have in the locker room. Just a really, really bad guy to be in a relationship with:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/11/5440938/panthers-greg-hardy-cleans-out.html#.VLVg01o7S2E
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I honestly don't know. I mean, he is a guy who has the kind of talent that would turn our pass rush around and he'd probably fit our Cap Situation. I get what you are saying and I don't disagree but I look at who's out there and I see two or three decent DE pass rushers. That translates into big money for those guys. I see no way Houston leaves KC and if he did, it would be for a price that I don't believe we could afford. JPP will likely also get paid well and would that guy sign with the Cowboys? There just aren't a lot of 43 Pass Rush DE's in FA right now. That might change later in the season but it might not. IDK.
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I would go all in . I like developing our own players too but this is similiar to 91'. We are only a great player or two away if we keep our own free agents . If we go dez , Peterson , Jpp and resign two of the 3 LBs it's Super Bowl or bust .
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Hardy's really the right guy, I think, if the off field stuff is not a deal breaker. Young. His deal would come with a giant asterisk. His jury trial looks to be happening as early as next month, so the outcome of that will likely be known before FA starts. Got a reputation for being about football when he's playing football, so there's not the RKG questions. Panthers don't want him back. Dallas makes a perfect landing spot for him in terms of a situation where he could be the difference maker for a team that's already competitive. We've got a track record for working successfully with troubled players. He's like a Haley who threatens to kill his girlfriend instead of being a manic-depressive basket case. It's just too tough to get around that domestic abuse incident.
Houston's not going to hit the market. JPP I think is going to get overpaid, though he's a guy I'd have interest in at the right price. I do think there's a chance that he returns somewhat to form in a stripped down offense in Marinelli's scheme. Other than that, what? Avril might make some sense, though there's the cost thing again. Or you try to land your guy in the first two rounds of the draft and hope that Lawrence pans out. Not a ton of options when you're looking for pass rush without much ammunition.
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Uh, no. Every team could make room for a guy like Mincey on the roster. The problem is that Mincey is one of the best guys on the line instead of playing a supporting role.
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Kinda how I see it too Idgit. Hardy is a guy who might make some sense but JG would have to be on board with it. Jerry would do it but would JG?
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Seattle locked him up FYI. Agree with your overall main points.
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Oops. You're right. I missed that one back before the holiday. So there's another one off the market. Tough spot to fill.
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Mincey 6 sacks
Avril 5 sacks
Bennett 7 sacks
Yeah, they are sooooooo far apart in talent and production.
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Why divide by the total guaranteed money for the entire contract and not the 2014 cap number?
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Doesn't help you have a Defensive Co that rushes 3
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Romo has only a couple of years left. So there is a good reason for trying for a quick fix that will hamper us somewhat the years afterwards. The chance that we can do like Indy did and go from PM to Luck are MINUTE at best. So we are almost certainly going to be in the wilderness for a few years. So I would not be adverse to pulling a Denver and going all in this year and next. I think Elway had the right idea; no one really thought PM would just fall apart so quick.
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Two Reasons:
1.) The main thing I cared about was immediate help at the expense of long term financial cost. If there was a contract where a team gave a player a large bonus that gets prorated over 5 years, and then a minimum base salary, then his 1st year cap number doesn't tell the whole story. A player could be under contract for a 1 year 5M salary with the same cap number as one under contract for 5 years 50M, and the commitment for years 2-5 get lost in the shuffle not using the guaranteed number
2.) As far as free resources go, historical cap numbers for players on new teams from where they originally signed (IE Babin's Eagles cap hit in 2011 since he's since gone from Eagles to Jaguars to Jets) are tough to reliably dig up.