Rate of Return on Free Agent Edge Rushers

[darthseinfeld]

So who are some free agent de that won't break the bank

Jaball Sheard. Had 15 sacks his first 2 years as a 4-3 defensive before Cleveland switched to a 4-3. More of a LDE.

If you want a bigger name .Greg Hardy and Brian Orakpo could both potentially be had on prove it deals

 

[ConstantReboot]

This is all well and fine, but having a player like Jeremy Mincey is why the Cowboys are at home right now.

We weren't at home this year. We went to the playoffs. Different story.

But I agree with you. We need to upgrade.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I would love to be able to sign a guy like Houston or Hardy but I don't see it. It will be interesting to see what happens in Washington. Orakpo was really hurt by the scheme change. He went from years of averaging 8 to 10 sacks to 1 in the 34.

Hardy could be a possibility. I think he is innocent and when he comes back Carolina just doesn't have enough to pay him.

 

[CyberB0b]

This doesn't take into account the length of the contract, does it? I mean, DWare doesn't make 20M this season alone, right?

 

[Echo9]

Trying to get my head around a signing like Hardy. He certainly is a heck of a player. And he fits that profile of damaged enough to need redemption and good enough to help. Is there some combination of therapy and support that makes that signing tolerable? Do you think this is a move we might realistically make?

I'm not usually one to want guys out of the league if they're not otherwise obligated to serve time or whatever for their mistakes, but it's hard to get behind bringing in a player who hits and threatens women. Here's a little bit about his departure from the CAR locker room. It looks like he's done there. It also suggests that Hardy wasn't a bad guy to have in the locker room. Just a really, really bad guy to be in a relationship with:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/11/5440938/panthers-greg-hardy-cleans-out.html#.VLVg01o7S2E

This. Exactly. It is tempting, but also feels like selling your soul.

 

[Galian Beast]

I'd be a lot more interesting in seeing pressures over sacks.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Greg hardy and SUH

Hardy / Crawford/ Suh / Mincey

 

[ConstantReboot]

Trying to get my head around a signing like Hardy. He certainly is a heck of a player. And he fits that profile of damaged enough to need redemption and good enough to help. Is there some combination of therapy and support that makes that signing tolerable? Do you think this is a move we might realistically make?

I'm not usually one to want guys out of the league if they're not otherwise obligated to serve time or whatever for their mistakes, but it's hard to get behind bringing in a player who hits and threatens women. Here's a little bit about his departure from the CAR locker room. It looks like he's done there. It also suggests that Hardy wasn't a bad guy to have in the locker room. Just a really, really bad guy to be in a relationship with:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/11/5440938/panthers-greg-hardy-cleans-out.html#.VLVg01o7S2E

I kinda followed his case and it seems to me that his ex-girlfriend is a well known gold digger. Once she realized that Hardy had a contract she went to his house for the party then left. He said that he didn't have contact with her and most importantly she wasn't even invited. Therefore, he is appealing his case and it will most likely be thrown out. His case isn't like Peterson's case.

 

[theogt]

Two Reasons:
1.) The main thing I cared about was immediate help at the expense of long term financial cost. If there was a contract where a team gave a player a large bonus that gets prorated over 5 years, and then a minimum base salary, then his 1st year cap number doesn't tell the whole story. A player could be under contract for a 1 year 5M salary with the same cap number as one under contract for 5 years 50M, and the commitment for years 2-5 get lost in the shuffle not using the guaranteed number
2.) As far as free resources go, historical cap numbers for players on new teams from where they originally signed (IE Babin's Eagles cap hit in 2011 since he's since gone from Eagles to Jaguars to Jets) are tough to reliably dig up.

The problem is that it seems like using total guaranteed could create significant differences based really on the length of the contract. A 3 year contract is very different from a 5 year contract, for example.

 

[theogt]

This. Exactly. It is tempting, but also feels like selling your soul.

I want a championship too much to enjoy the view from the high horse. Hopefully Jerry only leased his soul for those last 3 rings and is ready to pull the trigger one last time.

 

[snapper]

Check out Mincey's stats in the post-season compared to Arvil and and Bennett. Once again: Mincey is not the reason the Cowboys are home right now.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...Category=TACKLES&conference=null&d-447263-p=1

Interesting.

If you look at the stats from the regular season, Mincey compares favorably to both those guys. I think with a few more Minceys on the d-line, the Cowboys might still be playing.

 

[Idgit]

I kinda followed his case and it seems to me that his ex-girlfriend is a well known gold digger. Once she realized that Hardy had a contract she went to his house for the party then left. He said that he didn't have contact with her and most importantly she wasn't even invited. Therefore, he is appealing his case and it will most likely be thrown out. His case isn't like Peterson's case.

It's so hard to diagnose this stuff when we don't have the information. You'd think the Panthers wouldn't let this guy go if there were a lot of doubt about what happened, would you?

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's so hard to diagnose this stuff when we don't have the information. You'd think the Panthers wouldn't let this guy go if there were a lot of doubt about what happened, would you?

Carolina absolutely wants him back. I think they know that he's innocent and that his ex-girlfriend made up that story to get some money from him. Thats why he is appealing his case and in doing so placed him on the exempt list this season - or that is what I think happened.

I don't think the case had to do anything with it though. I think its because they probably won't be able to afford him and they can't tag him again.

 

[AdamJT13]

Two Reasons:
1.) The main thing I cared about was immediate help at the expense of long term financial cost. If there was a contract where a team gave a player a large bonus that gets prorated over 5 years, and then a minimum base salary, then his 1st year cap number doesn't tell the whole story. A player could be under contract for a 1 year 5M salary with the same cap number as one under contract for 5 years 50M, and the commitment for years 2-5 get lost in the shuffle not using the guaranteed number

So you think it's better to have a guy for one season at $5 million than to have a guy for four seasons at an average of $3 million per year, with $6 million (total) guaranteed?

 

[Nation]

So you think it's better to have a guy for one season at $5 million than to have a guy for four seasons at an average of $3 million per year, with $6 million (total) guaranteed?

No I do not think that is the case, but I think with no system to do so being perfect that the best way to rank free agents by league perception is how much they get in guaranteed dollars.

 

[reddyuta]

I would be all in on Hardy but i am also worried the league might suspend him for a few games if if he proved innocent.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Yep, it'll stop once we sign him

One can only hope!

I don't care about the man's questionable character, I just care about his ability to dominate the LOS.