Rate our 2010 Draft.

[AKATheRake]

We drafted the best WR, the 2nd best ILB (best if we are to believe Singletary), and a guy who will eventually move to FS and has higher rated ball skills than Berry and Thomas. We added depth at CB, OL and DL. We picked up two electric return men.

A

OOOOOOOOOOOkay.......... Cmon, like our draft and the AOA pick but higher rated ball skills according to who?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

OOOOOOOOOOOkay.......... Cmon, like our draft and the AOA pick but higher rated ball skills according to who?

Don't doubt maso he knows his draft stuff tru fax.

 

[bbgun]

So much for all those trades that never materialized (Spears, Hurd, Bennett, Crayton, etc.)

 

[masomenos]

OOOOOOOOOOOkay.......... Cmon, like our draft and the AOA pick but higher rated ball skills according to who?

ESPN/Scouts.com gave Berry and Thomas scores of 2/5 for ball skills, AOA had a 1/5 (lower being better).

On AOA:

Appears to be his best asset. Turns, locates, and play the ball extremely well. Takes proper angles to the point and is aggressive attacking the ball. Above-average hands and can pull down the tough interception. Shows ability to create after making interception.

On Berry:

A sliver below elite because he lets the ball get into his frame at times but can extend arms above head and snatch the ball out of the air. Times jumps fairly well and can high-point the ball. Can get hands under passes thrown at shoelaces (see: 2009 interception vs. Florida). Tracks the ball well, stays focused and can come down with tipped balls. Dangerous open-field runner who picks up yards after contact, can make defenders miss and shows breakaway speed when he gets a seam.

On Thomas:

Displays very good ball skills. Improved in this area in 2009. Attacking the ball more and more confident when the ball is in the air. Times his jumps well and is very competitive when the ball is in the air. Displays big play ability with 10 interceptions, including two returned for TD's, and five forced fumbles in 27-game career.

 

[btcutter]

to me, we got 5 good players out of 7, 2 of them were busts to me
wall and young

so i would say a B

or B-

if we actually got 5 good players out of 7 then this is an A plus draft by any team's definition.

 

[AKATheRake]

Don't doubt maso he knows his draft stuff tru fax.

Maybe so, maybe this is sarcasm. But AOA does not have better ball skills than Berry or Thomas. Like the AOA pick where we got him, but that guy was defending passes in the jungle gym at Woody Woodchuck's.

Like his upside but those 2 guys have polished ball skills that are proven. Give me a break. Enjoy the pick but don't over embellish.

 

[Big Dakota]

So much for all those trades that never materialized (Spears, Hurd, Bennett, Crayton, etc.)

Still could happen bb. Lots of time to go between now and game 1. All it takes is one injury for any of those guy to be gone for a pick in 2011. Heck, we might be able to swap players for OL depth.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ESPN/Scouts.com gave Berry and Thomas scores of 2/5 for ball skills, AOA had a 1/5 (lower being better).

On AOA:

Appears to be his best asset. Turns, locates, and play the ball extremely well. Takes proper angles to the point and is aggressive attacking the ball. Above-average hands and can pull down the tough interception. Shows ability to create after making interception.

On Berry:

A sliver below elite because he lets the ball get into his frame at times but can extend arms above head and snatch the ball out of the air. Times jumps fairly well and can high-point the ball. Can get hands under passes thrown at shoelaces (see: 2009 interception vs. Florida). Tracks the ball well, stays focused and can come down with tipped balls. Dangerous open-field runner who picks up yards after contact, can make defenders miss and shows breakaway speed when he gets a seam.

On Thomas:

Displays very good ball skills. Improved in this area in 2009. Attacking the ball more and more confident when the ball is in the air. Times his jumps well and is very competitive when the ball is in the air. Displays big play ability with 10 interceptions, including two returned for TD's, and five forced fumbles in 27-game career.

I appreciate the effort, but dude, scouts.com? Crappy site.

 

[Bach]

1 - Dez Bryant was a good pick and nice move up.

2 - Sean Lee is a solid ILB but didn't need to give up a 4th to move up 4 spots for him, especially in a deep draft with plenty of talent slidding to us if we stayed put

4 - Owusu-Ansah in 4th round‎ was a good solid pick for a guy who should be able to help out at safety and on special teams

6a - Sam Young was a decent pickup. He's a RT and RT only - but was a value pick in the 6th.

6b - Jamar Hall - Not enamored with this selection. Hall will be hard to pressed to make the squad.

7 - Lissemore - Finally got around to addressing the interior of the line. Lissemore's strength is a high motor, meaning he's a white guy with not a whole lot of natural ability. I felt there was better talent available but for a late 7th rounder we could've done worse


Overall, I think we got good value with no reaches with our first 4 picks. All four should stick with Bryant making the biggest impact early. I think at least 2 of the other 3 will have a good chance at becoming future starters.

However, in a deep draft, I think we really hurt ourselves by only having 3 picks in the first 5 rounds, with no 3rd or 5th round selections. So while we had a solid draft with no mind-numbing reaches in the early to middle rounds, I think we had the potential to do much more.

Grade: B

 

[masomenos]

Maybe so, maybe this is sarcasm. But AOA does not have better ball skills than Berry or Thomas. Like the AOA pick where we got him, but that guy was defending passes in the jungle gym at Woody Woodchuck's.

Like his upside but those 2 guys have polished ball skills that are proven. Give me a break. Enjoy the pick but don't over embellish.

I don't know if that comment was sarcastic or not either :laugh2:

Anyway, I don't think it's unrealistic for a player at a small school to have part of his game be better than that of high rated prospects. For instance, it wouldn't be ridiculous to say that some undrafted QBs have better arm strength than Colt McCoy.

 

[dezthebeast]

I would give it an A-.

 

[STSINAZ]

note to mod: please add a poll with, A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, ETC;. Thank you.

1st Round: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
2nd Round: Sean Lee, ILB, Penn State
3rd Round: none
4th Round: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana of Pennsylvania
5th Round: None
6th Round A: Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame
6th Round B: Jamar Wall, CB, Texas Tech
7th Round: Sean Lissemore, DT, William & Mary.



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when you look back on drafts you dont generally think of need you think of player and how he turned out....In this draft IMO what we will have when its all said and done is this:

A Probowl Receiver --- he will turn some heads this year and put roy to the bench...well him, miles and ogletree will do that...

Sean Lee- a starter for years to come who will immediately upgrade the nickel D...bye bye barbie..nice knowing you....

AOA---will be a nice safety before its all over...maybe not next year but he will impact that nickel for sure at the minimum and the return game...I like the pick!

I like the backup NT...he is going to be put into the rotation this year and it will keep Rat fresh...2nd half of the year he will have an impact

the RT---Young---He will be as good as he was in college in relation to the talent in the NFL...that means he is going to get better and play pretty solid...should take over in a few years for Columbo...

the other guy....not much there....

A good draft...in my opinion....some future solid starters....we still need some O line depth and insurance in case free is not the answer jerry, better make it happen...why not bring back flo and open up the competition....

 

[masomenos]

I appreciate the effort, but dude, scouts.com? Crappy site.

I disagree, I think Scouts.com is a valuable draft tool. So there. :

Seriously, year in and year out their grades and comments seem pretty insightful. Their definitely not always right, or even the best, but I don't just write off what they say.

 

[AKATheRake]

ESPN/Scouts.com gave Berry and Thomas scores of 2/5 for ball skills, AOA had a 1/5 (lower being better).

On AOA:

Appears to be his best asset. Turns, locates, and play the ball extremely well. Takes proper angles to the point and is aggressive attacking the ball. Above-average hands and can pull down the tough interception. Shows ability to create after making interception.

On Berry:

A sliver below elite because he lets the ball get into his frame at times but can extend arms above head and snatch the ball out of the air. Times jumps fairly well and can high-point the ball. Can get hands under passes thrown at shoelaces (see: 2009 interception vs. Florida). Tracks the ball well, stays focused and can come down with tipped balls. Dangerous open-field runner who picks up yards after contact, can make defenders miss and shows breakaway speed when he gets a seam.

On Thomas:

Displays very good ball skills. Improved in this area in 2009. Attacking the ball more and more confident when the ball is in the air. Times his jumps well and is very competitive when the ball is in the air. Displays big play ability with 10 interceptions, including two returned for TD's, and five forced fumbles in 27-game career.

Look, nothing here says AOA has more elite ball skills. Love the information, don't get me wrong, but nothing here says that.

Furthermore, the QB's Berry and Thomas are dealing with are far more superior than those AOA dealt with. I don't need to go to any webpage to know that.

Like I mean superior in every sense. Deceptiveness, throwing power, accuracy and definitely reading defenses. That has a lot to do with the ball coming to you if/when you locate it in the backfield.

Berry and Thomas don't get to catch as many knuckle balls as AOA when they locate one and that analysis is based on the footage, not the level of competition. That's obvious because there is no mention of level of competition in the analysis.

 

[cowboyvic]

A+ may find 3 or 4 starters out of this group in the years to come. OUTSTANDING!

 

[marchetta]

According to Parcells, it takes 3 years to rate a draft. So, ask me again in 2013.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

According to Parcells, it takes 3 years to rate a draft. So, ask me again in 2013.

:laugh2:

 

[AKATheRake]

I don't know if that comment was sarcastic or not either :laugh2:

Anyway, I don't think it's unrealistic for a player at a small school to have part of his game be better than that of high rated prospects. For instance, it wouldn't be ridiculous to say that some undrafted QBs have better arm strength than Colt McCoy.

Answer to 1st bolded point: Haha, was talking with DaBoyz there on his response to my response of your statement. Questioned if he was being sarcastic

Answer to 2nd bolded point: I agree. But its tougher to have to locate, then catch a faster, more deceitful, better placed ball from a better informed QB than not.

Answer to 3rd bolded point: No, it wouldn't be. But the odds of a QB from a smaller schools overall level of reading defenses, accuracy, throwing power, deceiving defenses and decision making are far less common than those of the QB's in the ranks of where Berry and Thomas had to play.

So those are the types of balls that had to be located in the backfield and then have a play made on.

 

[masomenos]

Look, nothing here says AOA has more elite ball skills. Love the information, don't get me wrong, but nothing here says that.

Furthermore, the QB's Berry and Thomas are dealing with are far more superior than those AOA dealt with. I don't need to go to any webpage to know that.

Like I mean superior in every sense. Deceptiveness, throwing power, accuracy and definitely reading defenses. That has a lot to do with the ball coming to you if/when you locate it in the backfield.

Berry and Thomas don't get to catch as many knuckle balls as AOA when they locate one and that analysis is based on the footage, not the level of competition. That's obvious because there is no mention of level of competition in the analysis.

The comments don't say it, but the corresponding grades do.

A DBs ball skills aren't related to the level of competition any more than a WRs pass catching ability. Catching the ball with proper form, not letting it get into your body, high pointing the ball, timing jumps, are all traits that are uninfluenced by competition level. If you catch the ball with arms extended at one level, then you can do it at the next. That's all the grade is saying, that AOA is a more skilled when he's around the ball. I don't know why that's so unbelievable. Would you be shocked if a 4th rd LB could shed blocks better than a 1st round LB? No. Just because a player is a better prospect, or played at a higher level, that doesn't mean that every facet of their game is better.

 

[7footer]

A.

3 likely starters within the next 2 years. Can't do much better than that.

Nuff said...not to mention wildcards like Lissemore, Wall, and Young...Any or all of whom may end up being good players as well.

Definitely an "A" from me.