Ravens put non exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Nice effort to move the goalposts

You said they’ve won without great QBs but that is long in the past . This is not that team. This team has won nothing meaningful

If they don’t sign him they will be number 3 in their division behind Bengals and Cleveland

Doubt Cleveland is going to do anything even with Watson. They are still the Browns. They will get 2 #1's if they let Lamar go. They can get an average QB and do just as well as they've done with Lamar. People act like Lamar has done anything great. The Ravens had to change their whole offense just for Lamar and he's been injury prone. They have nothing to show for it. They aren't winning anything with him anyway.

 

[visionary]

Doubt Cleveland is going to do anything even with Watson. They are still the Browns. They will get 2 #1's if they let Lamar go. They can get an average QB and do just as well as they've done with Lamar. People act like Lamar has done anything great. The Ravens had to change their whole offense just for Lamar and he's been injury prone. They have nothing to show for it. They aren't winning anything with him anyway.

I guess we will find out who is right this season

 

[kskboys]

I mean you're talking to a guy who thinks the league SHOULD pay mediocre QBs huge contracts like this because they must.

Not mention a lesson to NOT have your mom be your agent.

 

[kskboys]

The NFLPA is whispering in his ear because they want fully guaranteed deals and hoped Lamar was the one to make it happen, but his play the past 2 years has basically made him not the guy to focus on for that. The NFLPA should really be focused on Burrow, Herbert, and maybe even Hurts to be the guy to carry that flag.

Burrow, Herbert, and Barbie.

Hurts missed significant time last year. His injury issues from too much running the ball may already be starting. Fits the timeline, more or less, of most running QBs.

 

[kskboys]

Doubt Cleveland is going to do anything even with Watson. They are still the Browns. They will get 2 #1's if they let Lamar go. They can get an average QB and do just as well as they've done with Lamar. People act like Lamar has done anything great. The Ravens had to change their whole offense just for Lamar and he's been injury prone. They have nothing to show for it. They aren't winning anything with him anyway.

Lamar had that one season where he was really good. That was back in 2019.

And even in that season, it's just not hard to look between the numbers. He threw for all of 3,127 yds that season.

He has been mediocre ever since. Not difficult for playoff quality D's to shut him down. Keep him in the pocket where he is grossly subpar as a passer, and he is easily controlled.

Running QBs get hurt. We know this because we've seen it play out over and over and over. Lamar is just another in a long line of running QBs who have short careers. You think RBs don't last, running QBs are effective for even less.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Hasn’t lamar not been so good the last few years. If I am wrong then I wonder why they wouldn’t give him a deal. Just a year or so ago I seem to remember people saying just wait till lamar and a few others get paid.

He’s been very good but ended both seasons on the injury list. Also a major concern for giving him so much guaranteed money

 

[kskboys]

He’s been very good but ended both seasons on the injury list. Also a major concern for giving him so much guaranteed money

Not very, but pretty good. Since his breakout year in 19, throwing 36 TD passes, he's thrown 26, 16, and 17. He's been mostly mediocre the last two seasons. W/o his freakish good running ability, he is a subpar QB. And therein lies the problem. He's going to have some injuries, all NFL players do. And when the injuries happen to his legs and hamper his running, he's suddenly ineffective.

NFL teams know this. No way they don't.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Not very, but pretty good. Since his breakout year in 19, throwing 36 TD passes, he's thrown 26, 16, and 17. He's been mostly mediocre the last two seasons. W/o his freakish good running ability, he is a subpar QB. And therein lies the problem. He's going to have some injuries, all NFL players do. And when the injuries happen to his legs and hamper his running, he's suddenly ineffective.

NFL teams know this. No way they don't.

Total TDs thrown is not solely indicative of a season a QB has. There were a dozen QBs who threw more TDs than Hurts. That doesn’t mean there were a dozen QBs who had better seasons.

Lamar was an MVP candidate until he got hurt

 

[Adreme]

Lamar had that one season where he was really good. That was back in 2019.

And even in that season, it's just not hard to look between the numbers. He threw for all of 3,127 yds that season.

He has been mediocre ever since. Not difficult for playoff quality D's to shut him down. Keep him in the pocket where he is grossly subpar as a passer, and he is easily controlled.

Running QBs get hurt. We know this because we've seen it play out over and over and over. Lamar is just another in a long line of running QBs who have short careers. You think RBs don't last, running QBs are effective for even less.

As someone who gets the Ravens locally I can tell you that their offense that year revolved around Mark Andrews. When he was banged up for about a month Lamar looked mediocre and he was banged up going into the playoff game and suddenly the offense against the Titans looked bad. Lamar was the highlight real but Andrews carried the team.

 

[kskboys]

Total TDs thrown is not solely indicative of a season a QB has. There were a dozen QBs who threw more TDs than Hurts. That doesn’t mean there were a dozen QBs who had better seasons.

Lamar was an MVP candidate until he got hurt

Yes, now read the rest of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The running thingie isn't going to cut it. For a QB to win a super bowl, he must be an adequate passer. Lamar is not.

Your 2nd sentence is just funny. Of course he got hurt. That's why he's not worth the money. He'll always get hurt. That's why BALT Nonexlusived him.

 

[kskboys]

As someone who gets the Ravens locally I can tell you that their offense that year revolved around Mark Andrews. When he was banged up for about a month Lamar looked mediocre and he was banged up going into the playoff game and suddenly the offense against the Titans looked bad. Lamar was the highlight real but Andrews carried the team.

Interesting stuff. I didn't know this, but it doesn't surprise me.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

As someone who gets the Ravens locally I can tell you that their offense that year revolved around Mark Andrews. When he was banged up for about a month Lamar looked mediocre and he was banged up going into the playoff game and suddenly the offense against the Titans looked bad. Lamar was the highlight real but Andrews carried the team.

You can say the same about Davante Adams in GB: The moment he left Rodgers was a different QB. Or AJ Brown in Philly, The moment he arrived Hurts was a different QB. Mark Andrews is a known stud at TE; Compiled with the fact that Baltimore doesn’t have great receiver help, losing him would be incredibly detrimental to their offense.

That doesn’t mean a different QB could come in, hook up with Mark, and become 45-16 as their starter. Just as not just anybody could have won even 8 games in GB last year. Lamar was doing a lot with the pieces handed to him… which was much harder without Andrews.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Why do you want even more market controls?

The CBA requires that a percentage of revenues mutually agreed upon go to player salaries. QB salaries are rising. I fail to see what the big deal is.

How you gonna have a team sport snd pay one guy as much as the rest of the team?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yes, now read the rest of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The running thingie isn't going to cut it. For a QB to win a super bowl, he must be an adequate passer. Lamar is not.

Your 2nd sentence is just funny. Of course he got hurt. That's why he's not worth the money. He'll always get hurt. That's why BALT Nonexlusived him.

Lamar is a perfectly competent passer to succeed. These “running QBs can’t win” anecdotes aren’t true, firstly because running QBs have won, and secondly because it removes the context of the situation they were in.

How many times have you thought, “Lamar is clearly on the most talented team in the NFL!” It’s an unrealistic expectation as you’re expecting him to carry a lesser to team to beat multiple more talented teams with classic dropback QBs, and it’s his fault as a runner if he doesn’t win David vs Goliath.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

This is the bottom line and it appears the owners saying they don't care if you call it collusion..........

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

This is the bottom line and it appears the owners saying they don't care if you call it collusion..........

The problem with this is consensus bias. That means many different people may be conditioned to think the same thing without actually collaborating their ideas into conclusion with one another.

Each individual owner could very well independently consider fully guaranteed contracts as a terrible idea, and for them there’s no way to disprove the public opinion of collusion.

 

[joseephuss]

Last year when Jackson turned down a very good contract offer from the Ravens, it was repeated often that he was betting on himself. It is looking like he lost that bet unless another team comes in and makes a huge offer. That seems doubtful although anything is possible.

 

[glimmerman]

Not very, but pretty good. Since his breakout year in 19, throwing 36 TD passes, he's thrown 26, 16, and 17. He's been mostly mediocre the last two seasons. W/o his freakish good running ability, he is a subpar QB. And therein lies the problem. He's going to have some injuries, all NFL players do. And when the injuries happen to his legs and hamper his running, he's suddenly ineffective.

NFL teams know this. No way they don't.

Running QBs don’t last long. I thought lamar was more accurate as a pocket passer than most running QBs. Dak does better when he takes off here and there and rolls out and throws from out of the pocket. Lets him use his legs to get in space and draws defenders towards the line. I think lamar may need to do the same.

 

[McKDaddy]

The Ravens continue to show the league how to navigate the modern landscape. You don't HAVE to be held hostage even by quote "franchise" QB.

They very well understand that a non running Lamar isn't an elite QB. And they understand his body may not allow him to play his style for the life of the new contract.

I agree with the Ravens. If RB's get used up without compensation for their efforts, running QB's shouldn't be that different.

 

[Steve007]

This is what the Cowboys should've done with Dak. Smart move.

I agree. That is exactly what the cowboys should have done.